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[quote="acetamino"]So were you wearing your seatbelt or not?[/quote]

[quote="james-"]but I'm sick of being bullied by highschool dropouts with a badge.[/quote]

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So were you wearing your seatbelt or not?

[quote="Sears"](edit: lol, my rep power is now 6999)[/quote]
What d'ya think about repping me just once before you took away you almighty rep power? :)

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I doubt this helps but some states grant exceptions for cars going under 15mph, making frequent stops, going in reverse, or if there is a note from a doctor.

[quote="Sears"]Moral of the story; If you don't ever bother me about rep, and in general post often and post funny things and gifs, you'll end up with a lot of +rep, regardless of who you are (e.g. #5 milo, lol).[/quote]

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man i skipped past the 23 responses and didn't read a goddamn thing after reading your initial post but they just changed the law in texas regarding this shit and they're cracking down hard.. HOWEVER plead not guilty, 9 times outta 10 the officer won't show up at the trial, and even if he does, it's heresay and you're probably gonna win....

JUST AN OBSERVANCE FROM A FELLOW TEXAN

[quote="james-"]From my perception of everything that goes on, you seem to be the one who has the goal to be 2popular2stopular.[/quote]
Yeah dude, I just can't stand being hidden so far behind Scott Fleener's shadow...

I'll give you a pass because you don't know me personally at all like many of the people that I've been friends with for a decade via this stupid community, cause I'm just soooo popular and all, suffice to say that you obviously don't have any understanding of who I am or my personality in general.

Regardless, if all you cared about was posting in the soccer thread or whatever, then why the fuck are we having this retarded conversation in the first place?

I saw you and sean complaining about rep so I nuked your shit, I didn't give it any more thought than that because that's what I always do when I see people complaining about rep.

Nevermind on the pass, just gonna ban you guys for awhile, you caught me on a bad day, pz late.

Woah there bro

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Go ahead and delete my rep, it doesn't concern me anywhere near as much as you seem to think. As long as I can post in the random picture thread and the occasional lolsoccer thread, I'm good.

From my perception of everything that goes on, you seem to be the one who has the goal to be 2popular2stopular.

But hey, that's just my perspective.

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besides, you think thats bad? my brother came down to visit and drove my friends car to help him out, got pulled over for no registration(didnt know) and the ticket is $650.

needless to say my friend is paying that ticket.

[quote="james-"]Sears, ummm exactly what did the two of us do to deserve the wrath of your neg hammer?[/quote]
Because you guys were complaining about it. It's the only time I ever even think to fuck with someone's rep.

You'de be surprised how many messages a day I get on 1911 from people complaining about being negged too much or asking for +rep. It's so fucking annoying, to the point where I often consider just removing the whole rep system so people quit bothering me about it. The only reason I haven't is because I spent so much time on it in the first place. I try to tweak the system as best I can (it's pretty broken/limited), but aside from that, I just don't give a shit because it doesn't fucking matter. It's just for shits and giggles. Yet, every day, people still message me pleading their case for +rep.

Our community is small, everyone knows everyone, forum rep doesn't fucking matter. It in no way impacts how anyone uses the site, myself included, it's just a silly thing that's fun to bullshit and compete with eachother over rep points.

Look, I just gave myself 1,000,000 rep points (don't worry Ricky, I'll take it back later, maybe...). It means nothing, just as it would if I had -1,000,000 rep.

It's not a popularity contest, and it's nothing personal. Thanks for supporting 1911 and all the work that people have done to keep the community going. Still doesn't make rep points on 1911 matter in reality.

Moral of the story; If you don't ever bother me about rep, and in general post often and post funny things and gifs, you'll end up with a lot of +rep, regardless of who you are (e.g. #5 milo, lol). Look at alex, I nuked all his rep when he came back on the forums (just to fuck with him). He didn't say shit and just went about posting silly things and sure enough all the bro's +repped him back up again (and I eventually gave him his points back).

Jesus christ I can't believe I've typed this much about fucking rep, go fuck yourselves.

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(edit: lol, my rep power is now 6999)

[quote="unpro"]ricky is our experienced expert on car related charges here.[/quote]

rofl, truth. If you need advice on anything involving a moving violation, let me know.

ricky is our experienced expert on car related charges here.

[quote="james-"]Thanks for the input. I do plan on fighting this to the bitter end, even if it means having to drop a few grand on a lawyer (Yes, I'm that pissed off about this)

This country's criminal policy is "Innocent until proven guilty" correct?
etc.....[/quote]

whoa there Charles Dickens, I didn't sign on here to proof read a novel.

I was actually in the same situation a while back. State trooper wrote me a ticket in the parking lot at work, after I had parked and taken my seat belt off (I had it on when I passed him). The ticket was like $140 total. If i had of gone to court to fight it, and lost; I'd have to pay the fine + court cost which is around $110-$120 + miss a days work...I said fuck it and paid it. If I had money to piss away I would of fought it for the simple fact that I had my god damn seat belt on, and it angers me to no end being falsely accused of something.

Thanks for the input. I do plan on fighting this to the bitter end, even if it means having to drop a few grand on a lawyer (Yes, I'm that pissed off about this)

This country's criminal policy is "Innocent until proven guilty" correct?

So why in a "he said, she said" situation would the word of the officer be any more valid than the word of a citizen? He has absolutely no proof, (badger, your idea if pretty much void, he was traveling perpendicular to me, so there is no way that a forward facing camera would have even seen my vehicle, not to mention they only record when lights or a siren are turned on) Is there some obscure law that says "an officer's word is more truthful than a regular citizen's? I honestly wouldn't be surprised. This is the kind of information I'm trying to dig up before I continue.

Meekrab, I'm going to talk about this option when I call my insurance's legal consultation branch. I am wondering how well this will work though, is my only option to make the argument of ""the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." whereas the defendant has the "benefit of assumption" ?

Are there any other arguments that you guys would recommend including if I was to do a trial by written deceleration?'

It seems like the burden of proof, and the inability to fairly decide which of the parties is lying, should have it thrown out all together.


Sean, you made my day with that post. +re.... oh wait....

Sears, ummm exactly what did the two of us do to deserve the wrath of your neg hammer? I can't speak for sean, but I have been nothing but supportive of your efforts with 1911, I may not agree with you -or other admins on this site- and I may have a good time neg training defiance and yaso, but didn't you say it's all arbitrary and stupid anyways? So why is it being treated as such a serious matter?

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P.S. Knockout, denny doesn't have alzheimers, he has t3h m4d c0w. derrrrrrrp

[quote="meekrab"]
Also possibly contact e`man because I'm pretty sure he's had more tickets than dpk has driver's licenses.[/quote]

:roll:

I don't know what the situation is down in the States but whenever I receive a ticket, I ALWAYS fight it and get off.

Example:

Dad and I pulling out of gas station wearing no seatbelts crossing one lane of traffic to go the McDonalds drive thru and cop sees us and pulls us over. Dad also didn't have his registration on him as we were going to play ball hockey. Cop is a complete bitch (yes, woman) and we tell her we'll see her in court. She doesn't show up, we get off.

We also have a new system in place to reduce court wait times. Small tickets will allow you to see the court clerk. 15 minutes explaining your situation to him and he throws out the ticket.

All in all, fight the ticket. Always fight the ticket.

If I where you like all cops they have a camera infront of there cars always rolling along with the radar to check peoples speeds. You could always have them look at it, if nothing else works because it would show you having the seatbelt on just before the cop went by. By law they have to show you the footage also, its illigal for them not to.

If your state allows it, do a trial by declaration. Cops don't get paid for those so there's no incentive for him to fill out the paperwork. Then do the delay/extension dance if you somehow lose the trial by mail.

Also possibly contact e`man because I'm pretty sure he's had more tickets than dpk has driver's licenses.

[quote="seaNsk"]You getting out of the ticket is about the same likelihood that you will get your rep back.[/quote]
The only people who ever get their rep fucked with (by me at least) are the people who complain about rep in the first place, as it is a totally useless and arbitrary measure on this site. I don't put any time into policing it, and it's supposed to be a joke.

Continuing to complain often has an exponential effect.

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Did I miss the part where you said you were or were not wearing your seat belt? If you were honestly wearing it, I would go to court and tell the judge that, and hope he believes you, all you can do. If you honestly were NOT wearing it, why fight it, you were caught pay the fine. Just my opinion.

Denny Crane has alzheimers, bro. Franklin & Bash are the new young guns in the game. Similar styles, though, so I see where you're going with this.

Get one of these and show it to him.

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Talk about some bullshit.
Say good bye.
Drive away like a boss.

You getting out of the ticket is about the same likelihood that you will get your rep back.

His word is better than yours. Your best option is to file for an extension first and then at the end of that file your court date. Very high probability that the officer will not show.

I see no other way to get out of this. Can't beat probable cause!

I'm pretty sure it will come down to a police officer's word against yours which usually never works out. But seeing as how my legal experience consists of jumping fences in order to evade capture when the cops show up, I would spring for a free legal consultation. Most law firms will be able to give you more useful advice to make sure you aren't truly wasting your time/money.

Oh, and forgot to add. I'm not studying law, I most likely don't know some law or rule that could be applied to this situation. All of what I said is basically from experience, from what I saw and heard.

Honestly, your chances of successfully fighting this ticket are very low. Like you said, the judge will most likely go with the officer's word. However, what I know you can do, is reduce the amount on the ticket if not get it dropped. If this is your first offense since your speeding ticket and you plea guilty, I'm sure the judge and prosecutor will at least try to help you out.

Most people don't go to court when they received a ticket, and the ones that do are usually people that think they're innocent and will try to fight it. However, if you go to court, dressed nice (that's also important), and plea guilty it will show that you understand you made a mistake and you're taking responsibility for it. Even if you were wearing the seatbelt, and you have no proof, your best bet is to simply plea guilty.


It isn't much, but you would be surprised how many people go into court looking like they're off the street and start arguing with either the judge or prosecutor, and the amount of people that don't show up is even higher.

I've seen all of that done many times. I have never received a ticket and never had to attend court for myself. But, I have been to traffic courts, landlord/tenant courts, village courts, and several other various courts with real lawyers and I've seen people do all that I mentioned. In most cases, the people that present themselves well are shown compassion and have their ticket either waived or the amount reduced, it depends on how many violations you have on record.

Hope it helps.

[quote="knockout"]call franklin & bash, this is right up their alley[/quote]

Denny Crane was my first choice, but my insurance won't give me a discount through Crane, Poole, and Schmidt.
I'll have to check out these guys.

call franklin & bash, this is right up their alley

I just got pulled over for a "seatbelt ticket"

an officer in an unmarked police vehicle a block down the road driving the opposite direction claims to have seen me driving without my seatbelt.

Is there any way I can fight this? I know it will likely cost me a shit ton more money than just paying the ticket, but I'm sick of being bullied by highschool dropouts with a badge.

there was no one in the vehicle with me, unfortunately, and I really have no way to prove that I was wearing it. But at the same time he doesn't have any proof that I wasn't wearing it -_- I suppose it would come down to a he said she said sort of deal, is there any way that I can get this thrown out? ( I know that the judge will almost always pick the side of the guy with the badge, but this doesn't seem reasonable to me )

I've already looked around the internet a bit and the only things I've really seen to contest it are claiming that in your current situation wearing a seatbelt would be more detrimental to your safety than if you were wearing it.

I have legal insurance, so tomorrow during their hours I'm going to call for a legal consultation and see what they have to say, but I imagine a few of you must be in law school/practicing law.

Any ideas are appreciated, I'm just so fed up with the legal system. I've been pulled over countless times, and only had one ticket for actually committing a traffic violation (speeding when i was 16)

inb4 "you weren't wearing it just pay the ticket"