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by **reddogg** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:12 pm

toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..

soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet

Any 8 from this list would work..

no saints or merderet and add aleutian

by **stealthlol** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:43 pm

scorch- wrote:
toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..

soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet

Any 8 from this list would work..
Would remove saints from this list, but otherwise +1

This. Fingers crossed that saints doesn't make the cut this season.

by **Airnick15** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:39 pm

toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season..
Any 8 from this list would work..

Minus Main.

by **scorch-** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:38 pm

toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..

soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet

Any 8 from this list would work..

Would remove saints from this list, but otherwise +1

by **Miller`** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:20 pm

toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..

soltiude
emmanuel_b3
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet

Any 8 from this list would work..

by **toxinatoR** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:08 pm

feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..

soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet

Any 8 from this list would work..

by **motive** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:20 pm

lolinus wrote:When we played emmanuel we won with 5.

that was a silly ass match

i did ok though i was all like pew poW POW FLOCKA

by **acetamino** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm

Cal_sherman2
Villa_b1

My preseason votes

by **cassinoroyale** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:10 pm

lolinus wrote:
cassinoroyale wrote:well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them.
Nice English idiot.

Thanks for being another person who likes to remind me that I actually don't review my texts prior posting them.

by **lolinus** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:51 am

cassinoroyale wrote:well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them.

Nice English idiot.

by **lolinus** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:49 am

When we played emmanuel we won with 5. That was the 1st/2nd time for nearly the entire team to play it.
Thanks to cass for scrimming it with us before and teaching me were the fuck long was.

So knowing a map is like meh. Think teamwork is more important than knowing the map.

Oh, and only reason to play Emmanuel is because you can shoot the cow, dont know how many times i died on that map just because of that fucking cow....

by **MagneticSkull** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:05 am

If Emmanuel taught us anything, it's that knowing the map makes a huge difference. Reason enough to throw in a random or two to separate those who are really good at this game, and those who just know Anzio, RR2, Harrington like the back of their hand. There are plenty of good custom maps that were used in the old days of CAL and TPG that deserve some playing time.

by **CraftyDus** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:09 pm

The typical half a dozen usual suspects are well-balanced and just fine.

I'm loving the classic, it's keeping the game interesting and fun.

I'm happy to play the newest maps from lerf and ace, or any change of pace, really.

If i dont' take a couple days off from [harry,rr2,lennon,anzio,sherman, etc]-now and then, I might snap.

Keep it fresh.

by **scorch-** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:59 pm

All that aside, dod maps can't really be bad... they can be really boring to play. The reason that I think Lennon is one of the worst maps is because of the randomness. The smaller the map, the more random full caps become. The difference between a person dying 1 second earlier or later can be the difference between getting to a good spot, capping out, or dying on your way. I felt the same way on whatever that map was we played last season that was notharrington. Aleutian?

It's not really "bad" it's just a worse indicator of the better team because the outcome is more random.

by **scorch-** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:56 pm

The reason that cbble and aztec were not good competitive maps is because winning a Terrorist round on either map was like scoring a goal in soccer... either a sequence of incredible plays by terrorists or one really bad play by the CT team. It was not uncommon for the lesser-skilled team to play a shutout on CT side.

Assuming neither happened, the only even round was the pistol round. If you won both pistol rounds you won the match... even though you played a total of 24 rounds, the outcome of those two rounds determined the winner of the match. If you lost both pistol rounds, you had to make up an extra 3 wins to even the score on a side where winning any round required a lot of luck or bad play from the other team.

by **unpro** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:04 pm

i would try to kill someone through the internet for that.

by **Sp|dEr** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:55 pm

Anyone else wanna see DoD_ Forrest be put into the mix???

by **unpro** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:52 pm

Because while the cpl was running pre 2005, the us was cs globally. No other tournament had remotely the same meaning to anyone playing cs at the time. Not wcg, not eswc, it was all cpl. For a very long time the us was what set precedent for lans and map choices at lans. The cpl maps came about to address serious issues with the map pool for cs, not because of fps issues on aztec.

by **cassinoroyale** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:37 pm

well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them. from my point of view you're basically talking about cal divisions map discussions (therefore USA impressions) while my opinion came from what i remember about these maps and the reasons why a team that pretty much went to all major tournament from 2002 through 2009 didn't practiced these maps anymore from a certain point onwards. its all good man, thats just a matter of opinion i suppose.

by **unpro** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:25 pm

actually no, back when i started in cs 1.3 Aztec and Cbble where both 50/50 with the community. most people higher than cal-o debated playing the maps. i knew lots of people in cal-m back then who despised aztec and cbble for the simple reason that they where imbalanced maps. aztec is easily worked down to the team with the better awps wins. cbble could come down to the exact same thing.

has nothing to do with how much a map is played. aztec and cobble are bad maps, they just didnt have a replacement for them at the time. if that was true, d2 and inferno would be the most hated maps in CS, and for most people its the opposite.

by **cassinoroyale** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:23 pm

unpro wrote:A lot of people in cs like aztec and cbble, doesnt make them good maps for competitive play.

both maps were good for competitive playing back in the day. through the course of cs competitive scene what happened to aztec is that it ended up so much overused. also when cs 1.6 replaced cs 1.5, some maps had issues with the fps count and thus they got removed, making room for maps such as cpl_mill (the new tuscan) and cpl_strike (mirage) to debut. as for cbble, the map was known to be heavily ct sided and when cs 1.6 was released, there were no restrictions about shield usage. i remember that the old eswc forum section had this debate and the outcome was to remove it from eswc (and consequently from other majors). this is from 2005/2006 or so.

by **unpro** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:59 am

A lot of people in cs like aztec and cbble, doesnt make them good maps for competitive play.

by **stealthlol** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:24 am

Thing is, it's all opinion based. A lot of people hate lennon. A lot like it. Same goes for solitude, rr1, aleutian, and more. You can't really say the map is bad for competition because you don't like it. The only map I hear a general consensus on for being awful is muhle.

by **unpro** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:56 am

purikura wrote:How many seasons of "testing" the same shitty maps over and over in preseason does it take before it is in fact known that the map sucks?

How about just playing good maps the whole season (even if you have to repeat them during the season, not only for playoffs) so people can enjoy playing this dead game? CS is basically played on 5-6 maps every season and bad/old maps get thrown out with no complaints from the community.

Been saying this for awhile. Never happens. People demand other maps, then complain about how shitty the map is.

Dod has a small pool of actually viable maps for comp play.

Anzio
Harrington
Rr2
Donner
And not lennon. Lennon is a fucking garbage map from a comp standpoint.

Like 1 or 2 other maps are viable, but these 4 are pretty much the guarenteed good maps we have.

by **knockout** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:35 pm

a wah la

by **wintehs** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:00 pm

purikura wrote:How many seasons of "testing" the same shitty maps over and over in preseason does it take before it is in fact known that the map sucks?

How about just playing good maps the whole season (even if you have to repeat them during the season, not only for playoffs) so people can enjoy playing this dead game? CS is basically played on 5-6 maps every season and bad/old maps get thrown out with no complaints from the community.

This Asian man is the voice of reason... listen to him!

by **purikura** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:03 pm

How many seasons of "testing" the same shitty maps over and over in preseason does it take before it is in fact known that the map sucks?

How about just playing good maps the whole season (even if you have to repeat them during the season, not only for playoffs) so people can enjoy playing this dead game? CS is basically played on 5-6 maps every season and bad/old maps get thrown out with no complaints from the community.

by **scorch-** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:14 pm

TIL hipster = someone who reads and watches tv/movies

by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:12 pm

Chuck Foo wrote:Well pardon an old fart for tryin to hang out with the young "Hipsters".These fuckers in the nursing home are always yelling BINGO! I was trying to change it up.

wah la.

by **Chuck Foo** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:27 pm

Well pardon an old fart for tryin to hang out with the young "Hipsters".These fuckers in the nursing home are always yelling BINGO! I was trying to change it up.

by **scorch-** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:28 pm

Chuck Foo wrote:Would BINGO! have been less gay? A thought in the back of my mind told me i would catch hell for that expression

Probably because what you were trying to say is not onomatopoeia and is actually a french word... voilà

by **CraftyDus** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:21 am

motive wrote:
Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahla

"Wahlah, the literal meaning of which is said to be "One Excellent Warrior"....Wahla that remained Sikh were warriors to Guru Gobind Singh."

unrelated gif I like

Spoiler: show

by **Chuck Foo** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:49 am

Would BINGO! have been less gay? A thought in the back of my mind told me i would catch hell for that expression

by **Daeo** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:45 am

scorch- wrote:Chemille is the best map in the game.

i like this guy

by **motive** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:49 am

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

Chuck Foo wrote:wah la.

by **motive** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:47 am

Chuck Foo wrote:Lets be real, almost all maps are basically the same. you can go left, right or up the middle to the double cap.Put in a set of double windows for the snipers,a dark room for campers,some boxes/ crates for the peekers an wah la.

not always, this is only what they teach you at the Lerfooled Institute of Map Design

by **cassinoroyale** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:35 am

milo wrote:Donner and Chemille as a playoff map?

I'd give donner a shot in the regular rotation. Do not mistake a map being bad just because people are bad on it. Donner is a superb map if people do not prone on it. Btw, regions cup playoffs will have donner for semi finals and chemille for finals.

by **scorch-** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:19 am

Chemille is the best map in the game.

by **milo** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:40 pm

Donner and Chemille as a playoff map?

by **Chuck Foo** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:42 pm

Exactly,thx lowcarb and Bewton.Oh and 1 more thing maps need, a bridge for trolls like me.

by **lowcarb** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:17 pm

bewton wrote:anzio
railroad
railroad2
harrington
donner (perhaps setting up a new config where you don't get much points at all for holding middle, more points for holding the 2nd flag and capouts. May contribute to more pushing, thus giving donner the respect it deserves!)
chemille
lennon
merderet
emmanuel
aleutian
solitude
sherman

by **Chuck Foo** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:30 pm

Lets be real, almost all maps are basically the same. you can go left, right or up the middle to the double cap.Put in a set of double windows for the snipers,a dark room for campers,some boxes/ crates for the peekers an wah la.That being said I like the idea of a couple new maps in the regular rotation.lindbergh,emmanuel, aleutian and villa tho i haven't seen it, if Mikey likes it its gotta be good.Pick 2 of those ,throw em in and lets go.

by **Semper FI** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:56 pm

Lol nuns, I dont play games like cod unless there the first ones or Cod2. Plus I play more of BF2 then anything, cod is if you want to swallow acitone all day where it leave a pretty bad disfiguration and aftertaste.

Plus if we want to go into the cod crap, isnt there a map that was made off of Habor from Cod for 1.3?

by **mike** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:24 pm

I'm pretty much cool with any map rotation as long as we can try some new maps in preseason despite their flaws so we can make them better. Despite the flaws of emmanuel, I think it is a pretty decent map and with new maps coming out such as villa we should probably give them some preseason time.

by **nunz** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:23 pm

preseason
lindbergh
crr44b

1: emmanuel
2: anzio
3: railroad b2
4: harrington
5: donner
6: chemille
7: lennon
8: lindbergh (if preseason goes well. if not sherman)

playoffs
rrb2
lennon
harrington

by **nunz** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:18 pm

Semper FI wrote:Im not gonna lie, playing the same maps over and over, even under different rotations is boring. Make some new maps, or find some new maps sp at least tpg does not seem stale. Please No more emmanuel, except for B2 since alot of the others ones are clusterd bad....

go play COD they make makes every week but u gotta pay 40$, have fun btw.

by **Pr0n** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:37 pm

what charles said and if emmanuel gets put back in, one of the two versions which got played bevore, they were way better.

by **Charles** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:47 pm

I liked lindbergh, we should have that map in the season

by **Beas** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:46 pm

cassinoroyale wrote:I'd definitely give aleutian a shot in the rotation as one of the custom maps.

My rotation would be something like:

pre season 1 dod_emmanuel (let mogers (and myself) have some fun)
pre season 2 railroad classic (good map take away the rusty of the fingers)

week 1 anzio (last season finals)
week 2 muhle_b2 (or aleutian inb4 tox says that its the worst map ever made)
week 3 donner (balanced and oldschool map between custom maps)
week 4 cal_sherman (ck will drop 60)
week 5 harrington (must have)
week 6 chemille (must have)
week 7 railroad2_b2 (must have)
week 8 lennon_b2 (must have)

quarters anzio (classic map for playoffs)
semis lennon_b2 (classic map to determine what team does have the skill of holding a team in the spawn area)
finals donner (we've been rotating the finals map pick between anzio, harrington and rr2 for like 10 seasons. shouldn't we give donner a chance to determine who is going to win the season? discuss)

by **Semper FI** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:36 pm

Kenz0 wrote:Preseason 1 - flugplatz
Week 3 - flash
Week 6 - northbound
Week 7 - avalanche
Playoff 3 - charlie

Bad Kenzo, Im gonna kill you for just saying that LOL.

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