ceebz, what is this? [NSFW 2nd post]

[tenks]

wow this just shows how ignorant and bad I am. I would have never noticed this..even 7 years ago when I played everyday..

I only noticed this because it was pointed out 1,000 times. If I had watched this w.o any outside influence, I'd probably not think twice about anything I saw but now that it's pointed out..I thought the double windows in apartments before 2:29 was more obvious , to me at least.
Y'all on another level then me

[rehpyc]

My recoil looks close to that when I heavy. It's why I don't heavy; it'd just be too easy. ninjuh took me under his wing, and I became better. I just can't ever bear to take away his glory of having some of the best recoil control.

[theshizz]

ball riding is bad for your health.

[hXc]

And your recoil is significantly better than all those people. Period. Your crosshair does not move.

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i do what ceebz does without crouching.. how does that make his recoil better lol

edit: taking the glory from ceebz

[Sears]

Dude, you actually have recoil in those clips... do you really not see the difference?

I'm not saying it's definitive that he was use an ar.cfg one way or the other, as I'de have to the see the demos.

But if you are judging just by the clips, there are various points in shizz's movie where it looks as he simply has zero recoil to counter, not that he counters it so very well.

[hXc]

Dude, you actually have recoil in those clips... do you really not see the difference?

the difference is i'm not crouching everywhere like a try hard aka ceebzzzz.. i see the difference but one instance of fucked up recoil doesn't mean he is cheating imo

[Rob]

Just went back and watched some of ryanemo's KYLAN movie (as if it was even necessary).

The difference is astounding. Ceebz, your recoil control is 10 times better than ryanemo's.

[Rob]

Dude, you actually have recoil in those clips... do you really not see the difference?

the difference is i'm not crouching everywhere like a try hard aka ceebzzzz.. i see the difference but one instance of fucked up recoil doesn't mean he is cheating imo

Here's the deal. If Ceebz really wasn't cheating, and just has good no-recoil control, why does he struggle with it sometimes (struggle meaning he controls it like any other person) and eliminate it entirely at others?

I'm not saying that someone with near-perfect control should control recoil perfectly all the time. I'm saying that, if Ceebz DOESN'T have perfect recoil control, and is a legit player about the same level as ryanemo, why is he EVER able to reach perfect recoil control?

Something like that doesn't happen by luck. It's impossible. You don't just get lucky every now and then, fire off an entire BAR magazine, and perfectly control the recoil of the entire clip. It doesn't happen; it's not a luck question. Controlling recoil is a practiced skill.

You're saying that every now and then Ceebz just happens to perfectly calculate every millisecond-dependent adjustment of recoil over the course of an entire stg/BAR magazine. The chances of firing a BAR clip 100% perfectly ON ACCIDENT are astronomical. There are thousands of micro-calculations that have to take place in your mind and transfer to your hand. There's probably a higher chance of winning the lottery than executing a perfectly controlled BAR clip without 'assistance.'

[Rob]

Oh and we're not talking about one instance. There are a bunch in the shizz movie. Then there's the chemille fotw clips.

[jigsawww]

Look at 2:14 or when ever it is when he's playing drugs crouched on the axis one you can see his recoil. Then the next clip it's like it magically disappears. You can really see this at double windows it doesn't move at all, and then at balcony.

[hXc]

Here's the deal. If Ceebz really wasn't cheating, and just has good no-recoil control, why does he struggle with it sometimes (struggle meaning he controls it like any other person) and eliminate it entirely at others?

I'm not saying that someone with near-perfect control should control recoil perfectly all the time. I'm saying that, if Ceebz DOESN'T have perfect recoil control, and is a legit player about the same level as ryanemo, why is he EVER able to reach perfect recoil control?

Something like that doesn't happen by luck. It's impossible. You don't just get lucky every now and then, fire off an entire BAR magazine, and perfectly control the recoil of the entire clip. It doesn't happen; it's not a luck question. Controlling recoil is a practiced skill.

You're saying that every now and then Ceebz just happens to perfectly calculate every millisecond-dependent adjustment of recoil over the course of an entire stg/BAR magazine. The chances of firing a BAR clip 100% perfectly ON ACCIDENT are astronomical. There are thousands of micro-calculations that have to take place in your mind and transfer to your hand. There's probably a higher chance of winning the lottery than executing a perfectly controlled BAR clip without 'assistance.'

i don't see multiple instances of his recoil being perfect.. dod is a random game.. it could have just been a glitch or lag causing that rr2 instance. (it only happens once in the movie where his recoil is retarded.. the rest aren't as clear as the rr2 one)

[hXc]

also just to point out someone who can control recoil perfectly in a game with harder recoil than 1.3....

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if you don't think his recoil is perfect.. loool

[Rob]

You're coming in here with CS clips? Seriously? They're two different games with two different recoil systems.

Come on man...

[hXc]

The chances of firing a BAR clip 100% perfectly ON ACCIDENT are astronomical. There are thousands of micro-calculations that have to take place in your mind and transfer to your hand. There's probably a higher chance of winning the lottery than executing a perfectly controlled BAR clip without 'assistance.'

recoil in 1.6 is tougher. it's just an example.

[Rob]

I'm sure launching a fucking rocket ship is more difficult too. I'm saying that you can't submit clips of a different game with a different recoil system as evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil and expect anyone to accept it as relevant at all.

[hXc]

I'm sure launching a fucking rocket ship is more difficult too. I'm saying that you can't submit clips of a different game with a different recoil system as evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil and expect anyone to accept it as relevant at all.

your argument was that recoil can't be controlled perfectly because of "thousands of micro-calculations".. i'm just giving you an example of someone who can seem to control it as close to perfect gets lol.. and i've already told you 1.6 recoil is harder to control than 1.3 recoil.. so ya

the 1.6 video isn't evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil.. it's just an example of someone whose recoil is perfect on a game with the same half life engine lol

also, they aren't two TOTALLY different games.. they're ran on the same engine rofl

[Sears]

I'm sure launching a fucking rocket ship is more difficult too. I'm saying that you can't submit clips of a different game with a different recoil system as evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil and expect anyone to accept it as relevant at all.

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2ez pz late

[avenger]

I'm sure launching a fucking rocket ship is more difficult too. I'm saying that you can't submit clips of a different game with a different recoil system as evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil and expect anyone to accept it as relevant at all.

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2ez pz late

you caused a legitmate LOL. <3

[Rob]

The fact that it's on the HL engine doesn't mean the recoil must be the same.

And I never said they're "TOTALLY different." I said they're different games. They DO have different recoil systems. Even if there is a CS player out there with CS recoil on par with Ceebz's dod recoil (a proposition that I'm not accepting, just addressing hypothetically), it doesn't automatically mean it must be possible in dod.

The two games have more than enough difference in recoil mechanics to prohibit that conclusion. You're just making a leap of logic.

ryanemo, of all people, can't control his recoil the way ceebz does in multiple clips. Yes, multiple clips. Go take that "glitch in the game" shit somewhere else. Ceebz must have the glitchiest fucking copy of dod in history if that's what it is.

For a claim as outlandish as this, that Ceebz legitimately controls his recoil as well as the clips show and is just the best heavy in dod history, I'll need (and I believe others would as well) proof just as weighty as the claim. Unfortunately there isn't some LAN he can attend to prove it, so I dunno. But from the clips alone, I don't see any rational conclusion beyond that of no-recoiling.

[hXc]

I mean, look at his pistol shooting in the donner clip. No upward movement at all. 100% horizontal side to side motion.

you're saying he's no recoiling over a spraying pistol clip... smh

i'm not saying 1.6 and 1.3 have the same recoil patterns. i'm trying to say that since there is a player than can seemingly control 1.6 recoil perfectly, that it's very possible a 1.3 player can do it as well! not ceebz specifically.. anyone lol

[Rob]

Yeah I think the pistol clip looks odd, but it's nothing compared to the other stuff. And his aim is too wild to really draw any conclusions from it. You're really grasping at straws now, though. Go back to the drawing board man.

[hXc]

ya i need to go study my micro calculations to get my pistol recoil down brb

[k4b00m]

Well, now that we're just throwing out videos to make ourselves feel awesome....

This is me with 30 loss the whole match at 2:50 onwards ( enjoy some katy perry lolz )

ceebz recoil is still better than mine, so he's not lagging!

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[Miller`]

I'm sure launching a fucking rocket ship is more difficult too. I'm saying that you can't submit clips of a different game with a different recoil system as evidence in favor of ceebz's dod recoil and expect anyone to accept it as relevant at all.

2ez pz late

That was once voted the worst game ever on Nintendo, iirc.

[Sears]

That was once voted the worst game ever on Nintendo, iirc.

But why come?!! it's so fun I'm playing it on emulator right now!

[hXc]

kaboom you're clearly no pistol recoiling at 3:33

[sevEN]

the only argument i would even come CLOSE to acknowledging is that his computer/internet/dod lagged in some way... which is total bullshit and i already feel like i disproved that argument.. but at least it would be an argument that MIGHT POSSIBLY make sense in some alternate universe. but for people to be sitting here arguing about whether or not it is possible for a heavy to legitimately control the BAR recoil like the frag @ 2:29..... THAT BLOWS MY MIND.

taylor, i guarantee you can take NEO, fatal1ty, ninjuh, or any of the other greatest gamers of all time and put them on the absolute BEST computer that technology has to offer, put them in a DoD LAN server, and paid them 100k/year for 10 years, to sit in this lan server and practice DoD with ONLY USING A BAR, their recoil would STILL not look like ceebz's recoil @ 2:29. the game just simply DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO LEGITIMATELY SHOOT THE GUN THAT STRAIGHT NO MATTER WHAT. NO, MATTER, WHAT. the physics of it are just entirely not possible.

anyone who has played dod for a decent period of time, especially with a heavy, knows that the game itself just does not work in this manner, no matter what godlike gamer is holding the mouse.

so once again, at LEAST try to argue that his game or computer or internet lagged in some manner... because that is the ONLY way we can explain this freak of nature recoil @ 2:29. and to be totally honest, i have not seen a single clip of this movie except the 2 kills around 2:29 and then him jumping into lower apps with a red screen... i am judging this totally on the 2 kills in upper apps on rr2. and theres not a snowball's chance in hell that he did that legitimately.

[kirk]

the only argument i would even come CLOSE to acknowledging is that his computer/internet/dod lagged in some way... which is total bullshit and i already feel like i disproved that argument.. but at least it would be an argument that MIGHT POSSIBLY make sense in some alternate universe. but for people to be sitting here arguing about whether or not it is possible for a heavy to legitimately control the BAR recoil like the frag @ 2:29..... THAT BLOWS MY MIND.

taylor, i guarantee you can take NEO, fatal1ty, ninjuh, or any of the other greatest gamers of all time and put them on the absolute BEST computer that technology has to offer, put them in a DoD LAN server, and paid them 100k/year for 10 years, to sit in this lan server and practice DoD with ONLY USING A BAR, their recoil would STILL not look like ceebz's recoil @ 2:29. the game just simply DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO LEGITIMATELY SHOOT THE GUN THAT STRAIGHT NO MATTER WHAT. NO, MATTER, WHAT. the physics of it are just entirely not possible.

anyone who has played dod for a decent period of time, especially with a heavy, knows that the game itself just does not work in this manner, no matter what godlike gamer is holding the mouse.

so once again, at LEAST try to argue that his game or computer or internet lagged in some manner... because that is the ONLY way we can explain this freak of nature recoil @ 2:29. and to be totally honest, i have not seen a single clip of this movie except the 2 kills around 2:29 and then him jumping into lower apps with a red screen... i am judging this totally on the 2 kills in upper apps on rr2. and theres not a snowball's chance in hell that he did that legitimately.

Take into account the fact that ceebz has a good amount of clips similar to the rr2 one in the fact that there is zero recoil.

Taylor the videos you posted of yourself don't even come close to ceebz' recoil. I suggest you re-watch the clip we're talking about. Guaranteed if that was jules winnfield you'd be leading the crusade for a ban. Think about it. You should learn to think critically by taking a step back, removing your bias or emotions, and approaching rationally. You're dismissing legitimate arguments and points being raised by bringing in irrelevant topics or simply ignoring the content being brought to attention.

[hXc]

it seems you all have come to the conclusion that he is cheating because of one particular instance where he seems to have no recoil.. one. i just don't think that's enough to prove he's cheating. i've had that same shit happen to me before in dod.. i'm not saying what happened to me is happening to ceebz in that rr2 clip for sure.. but i can't say he is cheating lol

i don't see any clip that is similar to the rr2 recoil

also joey.. about me posting the neo video.. i'm just trying to prove that recoil can be controlled in games like dod/cs rather well.. not backing up ceebz's recoil with neos video lol

[kirk]

it seems you all have come to the conclusion that he is cheating because of one particular instance where he seems to have no recoil.. one. i just don't think that's enough to prove he's cheating. i've had that same shit happen to me before in dod.. i'm not saying what happened to me is happening to ceebz in that rr2 clip for sure.. but i can't say he is cheating lol

i don't see any clip that is similar to the rr2 recoil

also joey.. about me posting the neo video.. i'm just trying to prove that recoil can be controlled in games like dod/cs rather well.. not backing up ceebz's recoil with neos video lol

I already stated that I would not definitively say he's cheating as this is a movie and not a demo, but it certainly looks like cheating. Also: there is far more footage than this. At least 3 other clips I have seen from other FOTWs and this movie that are sketchy as hell.

[hXc]

I already stated that I would not definitively say he's cheating as this is a movie and not a demo, but it certainly looks like cheating. Also: there is far more footage than this. At least 3 other clips I have seen from other FOTWs and this movie that are sketchy as hell.

yea i said joeys name not yours though because i read where you stated you could not definitively say he's cheating.

and by "you all" i meant rob and joey because they both had responses to myself.

[hXc]

someone share these fotws where apparently his recoil is as bad as the rr2 clip

[kirk]

someone share these fotws where apparently his recoil is as bad as the rr2 clip

It was a chemille FOTW from last season. I don't have it saved, but I'm sure it's in the movie/FOTW section.

[milo]

I just want to say that coL.chaos is the best heavy ever.

[kirk]

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Seriously, I urge you to re-read what I said when you watch this: with an open mind, imagine it's someone you don't like, remove the fact that he's on your team/you like him/etc.

Pistol @ 3:38 - it's even in slow motion. Notice how the crosshair doesn't move. Literally. Zero movement. Yep, it's a pistol, and a pistol doesn't have much recoil, but his has none.

Kar @ 3:47 - never seen kar motion like that. Similar to the pistol.

I just want to say that coL.chaos is the best heavy ever.

chaos had more recoil while proned than ceebz does in any of these clips.

[hXc]

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imagine it's someone you don't like

that's being pretty biased if you ask me... lol i have to imagine i don't like him while deciding whether or not he is no recoiling.. anyways, this chemille clip isn't as fishy as the rr2 clip.. also, his crosshairs always moving.. going from side to side and even up and down.. you can't tell if he's no recoiling or if he just controls his recoil weird.

[kirk]

that's being pretty biased if you ask me... lol i have to imagine i don't like him while deciding whether or not he is no recoiling.. anyways, this chemille clip isn't as fishy as the rr2 clip.. also, his crosshairs always moving.. going from side to side and even up and down.. you can't tell if he's no recoiling or if he just controls his recoil weird.

All I'm saying is to look at it from all angles. If you watch it and say, "looks clean." Ask yourself if it were me playing, or jules, or something who isn't on your team and you probably don't care for very much. Do you arrive at the same conclusion? If that were jules in that clip, you would think he's as clean as when it's ceebz?

His crosshair doesn't move in the BAR clip from rr2 or the pistol clip from chemille. Some of the kar shots the gun does move, but it's incredibly subtle and very controlled (who the hell controls kar recoil like that?), while some of the kar shots don't move at all.

[seaNsk]

Steve Miller believes you are not legit, and he's the best AC this game has ever seen.

[Sears]

The question is, does anyone on TPG-ac have any experience with anti-recoil scripts, how they work, and what it looks like when you play with them?

If not, we need to have another look at the demos for these clips, as you simply cannot conclude anything from video.

If anyone on TPG AC would like me to help them out and share some knowledge on this issue, I'de be glad to. I would make a movie myself explaining it step by step if I had a PC at the moment.

It takes about 5 minutes to write an incredibly effective anti-recoil script in DoD, and it looks EXACTLY like this when used properly.

[acetamino]

a brilliant fotw by aaron louie I must say

[theshizz]

Slow motion solves mysteries.

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You guys can't do this? I'm pretty sure i can....

[stealthlol]

Time for everybody to chip in and help Sears get this LAN rolling. We have a fucking showdown, folks.





But in all seriousness -- I don't know which is worse. How obvious it is that ceebz isn't controlling his own recoil or those awful effects before and after. The fuck is that red screen?

[theshizz]

im taking you out of every movie ive made with your footage stealth.

[stealthlol]

Good luck finding any. I'm too shitty now-a-days to be in any! HA.

[theshizz]

[kirk]

Slow motion solves mysteries.

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You guys can't do this? I'm pretty sure i can....

That isn't justified. I can easily attribute that to the fact that his hand is on the mouse and is moving the crosshair slightly. If you fixate on the recoil in slow motion and ignore what it looks like in real time, then I don't think you'd ever catch someone norecoiling unless they used their 'enter' key to shoot and took their hand off the mouse completely.

Kind of like how watching any demo with ESP makes it look like the person is cheating. Or you can justify anything with vent calls. After enough instances of sketchy footage, you have a more solid case of someone cheating.

If it's so easy to control recoil like that, then find me one other player who has ever been able to. If you watched ryanemo, ninjuh, hXc, baloo, etc. slowed down to 1/4 speed their crosshair would be all over the map. Yet, it isn't for ceebz.

And if you can do it, feel free to go into a server, record yourself, and show us. I'd love to see you control recoil like that.

[badnewspanda]

DoD - I show up for the matches, but stay for the drama.