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Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:06 pm**

hXc wrote:nugz you're the one that told jigsaw greetz i could play in the match against you guys.. don't change your mind all of a sudden after you lose.

fixed

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:09 pm**

nugz` wrote:not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.

ceebz gets vac'd on his 5 digit not even like 3 weeks ago whats your opinion on tpg letting him still play in their league?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:13 pm**

stealthlol wrote:
nugz` wrote:
hXc wrote:nugz you're the one that told jigsaw i could play in the match against you guys.. don't change your mind all of a sudden after you lose.
not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.
So you're saying that if they didn't push at the end and cap out, you would have killed the only team to beat drugs instead of just coming on here and saying you beat them?

maybe if you could read. i did say win or lose i'd do the same thing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:15 pm**

jigsawww wrote:
nugz` wrote:not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.
ceebz gets vac'd on his 5 digit not even like 3 weeks ago whats your opinion on tpg letting him still play in there league?

ceebz didn't get vac'd within a match or a scrim. your starting a whole different pointless argument.

no where in the rules is there anything about not being allowed to play with VAC'd accounts, if there were, your entire team wouldnt be allowed to play.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:21 pm**

nugz` wrote:
jigsawww wrote:
nugz` wrote:not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.
ceebz gets vac'd on his 5 digit not even like 3 weeks ago whats your opinion on tpg letting him still play in there league?

ceebz didn't get vac'd within a match or a scrim. your starting a whole different pointless argument.

No I'm not actually. He knew what he was doing he loaded that aimbot in that server why should he still get to play?

We're not talking something that happened years ago we're talking about something that happened a few weeks ago.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:23 pm**

No I'm not actually. He knew what he was doing he loaded that aimbot in that server why should he still get to play?

again, i'm arguing an actual rule, you are arguing about someone cheating in a pub which there is no rule for.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:55 pm**

nugz` wrote:
stealthlol wrote:
nugz` wrote:not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.
So you're saying that if they didn't push at the end and cap out, you would have killed the only team to beat drugs instead of just coming on here and saying you beat them?

maybe if you could read. i did say win or lose i'd do the same thing.

I can read, actually. I wasn't questioning the words you used; I was questioning the fact that you probably wouldn't have killed the team if you won. hxc made that team, played all season, then leaves because of a fight. And then you bitch because narc put him back on his team? Just say good game because that is what it was. It's nothing about "fair," it's about you crying about losing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:01 pm**

I can read, actually. I wasn't questioning the words you used; I was questioning the fact that you probably wouldn't have killed the team if you won. hxc made that team, played all season, then leaves because of a fight. And then you bitch because narc put him back on his team? Just say good game because that is what it was. It's nothing about "fair," it's about you crying about losing.

we were 3-4, if i cared about losing i would of killed the team a long time ago. so basically what your saying is since taylor was on the team it's ok to break the rule and put him back on the roster when he purposely left the team. if that's the case, get rid of all rules and lets hand out aimbots,wallhacks,allow steam ringing etc, etc.

i did not have to let him play, so really if i cared that much about losing, i wouldn't of let him or you play and i would of forced a ff. so stick that in your fried rice & eat it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:11 pm**

Whatever the reason here, you're kind of screwing your team out of their playoff matches, in an act of protest that will really amount to nothing. No one had you guys picked as a big threat in playoffs anyways. You were a good team, but DRUGS, Thunder, and koalas were better; quitting the league because DRUGS were allowed to keep their roster through playoffs despite an inopportune bail comes off as nothing but a hissy fit. It's DoD, letting them keep Taylor isn't a big deal, he played the whole season with them. I don't care about any of this "what's best for the finals of TPG!" nonsense, because, really, who cares/watches these things if they aren't actually playing in them? But this would be a silly reason to let a team lose their chance to compete, and possibly die. Which is unfortunately what it seems like you've done to your own team (from what I've read, I really don't know anything about the situation outside what's on these forums).

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:13 pm**

stealthlol wrote:I can read, actually. I wasn't questioning the words you used; I was questioning the fact that you probably wouldn't have killed the team if you won. hxc made that team, played all season, then leaves because of a fight. And then you bitch because narc put him back on his team? Just say good game because that is what it was. It's nothing about "fair," it's about you crying about losing.

Oh hey Kevin, stealing my worthless thoughts again I see.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:16 pm**

joeledmunds wrote:Whatever the reason here, you're kind of screwing your team out of their playoff matches, in an act of protest that will really amount to nothing. No one had you guys picked as a big threat in playoffs anyways. You were a good team, but DRUGS, Thunder, and koalas were better; quitting the league because DRUGS were allowed to keep their roster through playoffs despite an inopportune bail comes off as nothing but a hissy fit. It's DoD, letting them keep Taylor isn't a big deal, he played the whole season with them. I don't care about any of this "what's best for the finals of TPG!" nonsense, because, really, who cares/watches these things if they aren't actually playing in them? But this would be a silly reason to let a team lose their chance to compete, and possibly die. Which is unfortunately what it seems like you've done to your own team (from what I've read, I really don't know anything about the situation outside what's on these forums).

why bother to play & follow rules if the people running the league do not abide by the rules?
i'm not screwing anybody out of anything. i doubt the people that were on my team are going to lose any sleep over not being able to play in TPG.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:22 pm**

nugz` wrote:we were 3-4, if i cared about losing i would of killed the team a long time ago. so basically what your saying is since taylor was on the team it's ok to break the rule and put him back on the roster when he purposely left the team. if that's the case, get rid of all rules and lets hand out aimbots,wallhacks,allow steam ringing etc, etc.

i did not have to let him play, so really if i cared that much about losing, i wouldn't of let him or you play and i would of forced a ff. so stick that in your fried rice & eat it.

How are you trying to relate him being put back on a team to letting everybody cheat? That logic is severely flawed. And for any team that cared about losing, why would they kill their team for being 3-4?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:25 pm**

How are you trying to relate him being put back on a team to letting everybody cheat? That logic is severely flawed. And for any team that cared about losing, why would they kill their team for being 3-4?

rosters are locked for the season, correct? thats a rule.
no cheating,steamringing are rules, correct?

so how does it make it right to break one of them rules but the rest must be followed.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:26 pm**

jigsawww wrote:
nugz` wrote:not once did i say it had anything to do with me agreeing to let you play. win or lose, it didn't matter. i'm trying to prove a point that a rule was broken for one person which is kind of dumb & unfair.
ceebz gets vac'd on his 5 digit not even like 3 weeks ago whats your opinion on tpg letting him still play in their league?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:34 pm**

I'm just trying to understand this.. You're mad because we 'broke' the rules.. And let taylor back on the roster. But you willingly agreed to let him play in the match whether he was on the roster or not. To me it would seem like you wouldn't have cared if he was allowed back on the roster since you let him play.. Idk.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:39 pm**

dont try and bring logic into this argument, jared.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:41 pm**

toxinatoR wrote:I'm just trying to understand this.. You're mad because we 'broke' the rules.. And let taylor back on the roster. But you willingly agreed to let him play in the match whether he was on the roster or not. To me it would seem like you wouldn't have cared if he was allowed back on the roster since you let him play.. Idk.

yes i agreed to let him play in the match.. teams let other teams use ringers all of the time, nobody or atleast i don't like forcing teams to FF. would drugs of died if taylor didn't get back on the roster? No they would not have, they have more then enough people on the roster to play out the season. you of all people know they wouldn't of died if taylor wasn't allowed back on the roster.

it's the simple fact that you guys blatantly broke the rule by addding him back to the roster while the rosters were locked for the rest of the season, and it was HIS OWN FAULT that he was OFF the roster.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:53 pm**

I have no problem with narc's decision. While you may be stating a rule, you are missing the obvious:

§8 Disclaimer
TPG admins reserve the right to make independent judgement calls for any rule as necessary. These judgement calls, if made, will supersede any current rules listed above.

and

§8.2 Rule Changes
TPG reserves the right to modify and apply any rules as needed at any time, even retroactively. This includes changes due to software updates or releases and all other changes deemed necessary to the league. Major changes to the rules will be posted on our website and forums as needed. Teams should check the rules on a regular basis and prior to every match to ensure they are in complete compliance. The

TPG Administrators decisions are final.

I believe that, in this case, it is a judgement call.

Taylor went emo and quit. He played in every match and was a big part of their team's success. I personally would rather play them with Taylor and lose and play them and win.

I support the decision much like I would that if you guys decided you wanted to play in the playoffs, Narc should approve that move as well (even if that means we have to play dgf again).

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:01 pm**

I support the decision much like I would that if you guys decided you wanted to play in the playoffs, Narc should approve that move as well (even if that means we have to play dgf again

i'd prefer not to. either way, i'm over it. i don't think i'll be playing in TPG again. /endthread

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:03 pm**

Seriously, the "omg an admin added someone to the roster when they were locked" thing is so retarded. When I was a CAL admin and we were just trying to get through the season, pretty much any team that came to me that needed to add someone so they could have six and not FF I would help out, and then the Voldemort dorks tried to get me "fired" for it.

The problem with a community like this is that the rule is there to prevent players from jumping from team to team, not punish teams that are having rosters problems.

Roster locks should be the rule, but the exceptions should be unlimited at admin's discretion. This is why you have admins, to make these decisions. It's ok to disagree with that decision, but if your reason for disagreeing is "waahhh that's against the rules!", that's really stupid.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:05 pm**

Sears wrote:Seriously, the "omg an admin added someone to the roster when they were locked" thing is so retarded. When I was a CAL admin and we were just trying to get through the season, pretty much any team that came to me that needed to add someone so they could have six and not FF I would help out, and then the Voldemort dorks tried to get me "fired" for it.

The problem with a community like this is that the rule is there to prevent players from jumping from team to team, not punish teams that are having rosters problems.

Roster locks should be the rule, but the exceptions should be unlimited at admin's discretion. This is why you have admins, to make these decisions. It's ok to disagree with that decision, but if your reason for disagreeing is "waahhh that's against the rules!", that's really stupid.

they aren't having roster issues - that's the key.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:11 pm**

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:20 pm**

God damnit Ricky, you can't hotlink gifbin.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:23 pm**

Rambizzle wrote:

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Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:23 pm**

moosh wrote:If you played DRUGS in the playoffs would you have let taylor ring for them instead of taking an FF win? If yes, whats the difference if he's on the roster or not.

the difference is, we struggled to get 6 every week, why should he be able to get back on the roster when they are locked & nobody else is able to pick anyone up. i bet anything there are plenty of teams who are having roster issues and would benefit from adding someone. being on the roster all season or not, he chose to leave the roster knowing they were locked for good. why should he get special treatment?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:30 pm**

nugz get your panties out of a bunch. i'm not even going to play in the playoffs because narc shouldn't be getting shit for helping my team out, and trust me, he's gotten enough shit by just unbanning us. i'm going to follow the rules. funny to hear from a flawless player, huh? now shut up.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:36 pm**

hXc wrote:nugz get your panties out of a bunch. i'm not even going to play in the playoffs because narc shouldn't be getting shit for helping my team out, and trust me, he's gotten enough shit by just unbanning us. i'm going to follow the rules. funny to hear from a flawless player, huh? now shut up.

narc should be getting shit because he shouldn't of done it in the first place. i'm sure you probably cryed for a few hours to him about how jigsaw kissed another man and you were upset so you left the roster & boofuckinghoo you made up and want to be bff's again.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:44 pm**

I don't how you could say they weren't having roster issues... Without taylor they have an 8 man roster.. And milo is suspended until nov 5th.. Leaving them with 7. Xternal has like a 10pm bedtime and who the fuck is cnile? Plus they needed to use two 'ringers' in their match against you.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:50 pm**

toxinatoR wrote:I don't how you could say they weren't having roster issues... Without taylor they have an 8 man roster.. And milo is suspended until nov 5th.. Leaving them with 7. Xternal has like a 10pm bedtime and who the fuck is cnile? Plus they needed to use two 'ringers' in their match against you.

Don't forget Linus! He lives in Sweden and can barely wake up for match time

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:51 pm**

toxinatoR wrote:I don't how you could say they weren't having roster issues... Without taylor they have an 8 man roster.. And milo is suspended until nov 5th.. Leaving them with 7. Xternal has like a 10pm bedtime and who the fuck is cnile? Plus they needed to use two 'ringers' in their match against you.

they needed 2 ringers monday only because we didn't have 6 sunday & taylor was trying super hard to get us to ff as greetz told me taylor just didn't want to play monday. you even said so yourself lastnight that they wouldn't of died.

what do you think we had 20 people on our roster? me,ceebz,mexicant,cableguy,duality,gdog,justin,emc

gdog = broke computer, emc = doesnt play, ever. justin hasn't played in like 2 seasons and is ultra busy with college. didn't see us bitching did you?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:54 pm**

nugz` wrote:

narc should be getting shit because he shouldn't of done it in the first place. i'm sure you probably cryed for a few hours to him about how jigsaw kissed another man and you were upset so you left the roster & boofuckinghoo you made up and want to be bff's again.

nice assumptions. i didn't even pm narc to get back on the roster. i haven't talked to him once about it. lol. get your facts straight!

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:57 pm**

hXc wrote:
nugz` wrote:

narc should be getting shit because he shouldn't of done it in the first place. i'm sure you probably cryed for a few hours to him about how jigsaw kissed another man and you were upset so you left the roster & boofuckinghoo you made up and want to be bff's again.
nice assumptions. i didn't even pm narc to get back on the roster. i haven't talked to him once about it. lol. get your facts straight!

i'm sure narc out of nowhere said, hey lets put taylor back on the roster.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:10 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:22 pm**

nugz` wrote:rosters are locked for the season, correct? thats a rule.
no cheating,steamringing are rules, correct?

so how does it make it right to break one of them rules but the rest must be followed.

...because one is putting someone on a team and one is cheating? Is that not clear?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:26 pm**

This rage quit vid made me rofl! wtf

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:59 pm**

seems like FF wins are the cool way of winning! gotta love a community that is so small and cares so much about allowing a player who belongs to a team rejoin. seriously whats the big deal CPL is not happening bro!

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:26 am**

stealthlol wrote:
nugz` wrote:rosters are locked for the season, correct? thats a rule.
no cheating,steamringing are rules, correct?

so how does it make it right to break one of them rules but the rest must be followed.
...because one is putting someone on a team and one is cheating? Is that not clear?

Cheating is anything against the rules that gives you an unfair advantage. Hacking is a form of cheating. Using a ringer is a form of cheating.

I don't like nugz but you're the same putz that cried about having to play in invite. I wouldn't be insulting anyone about anything who is trying to at least pretend there are a few rules left to the league.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:05 am**

Cheating is anything against the rules that gives you an unfair advantage. Hacking is a form of cheating. Using a ringer is a form of cheating. Having Austin on your team is a form of cheating.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:13 am**

mg_ wrote:
stealthlol wrote:
nugz` wrote:rosters are locked for the season, correct? thats a rule.
no cheating,steamringing are rules, correct?

so how does it make it right to break one of them rules but the rest must be followed.
...because one is putting someone on a team and one is cheating? Is that not clear?
Cheating is anything against the rules that gives you an unfair advantage. Hacking is a form of cheating. Using a ringer is a form of cheating.

I don't like nugz but you're the same putz that cried about having to play in invite. I wouldn't be insulting anyone about anything who is trying to at least pretend there are a few rules left to the league.

And having somebody who is on their own team play is considered an unfair advantage? As Miller quoted earlier; "TPG admins reserve the right to make independent judgement calls for any rule as necessary." Ergo, putting hxc on the roster wasn't breaking a rule. Him playing in the match wasn't cheating. Plus, I don't see how using a ringer is a form of cheating. If the other team agrees to it, then they don't see it as an "unfair advantage." At this point in the game, using a ringers seems to be expected.

And just for the record, it was more that our team didn't belong in invite and I was simply informing the admins as they could obviously not see it. If you want crying about being in invite, I'd send you to a noluck thread.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:29 am**

stealthlol wrote:And having somebody who is on their own team play is considered an unfair advantage? As Miller quoted earlier; "TPG admins reserve the right to make independent judgement calls for any rule as necessary." Ergo, putting hxc on the roster wasn't breaking a rule. Him playing in the match wasn't cheating. Plus, I don't see how using a ringer is a form of cheating. If the other team agrees to it, then they don't see it as an "unfair advantage." At this point in the game, using a ringers seems to be expected.

And just for the record, it was more that our team didn't belong in invite and I was simply informing the admins as they could obviously not see it. If you want crying about being in invite, I'd send you to a noluck thread.

He isn't on the team and made a very public decision to leave. They have a week in advance to set up their schedules to get people to play. Taylor didn't make a break 6. If they have people on their roster that can't play, then that's their own fault. Buyer's remorse is the proper term.

It wasn't like the site got hacked that was out of his control. It was a very deliberate action.

If you want to play with ringers, then so be it. I'm just stating the obvious, like last season when someone got butthurt when they couldn't use a superior ringer to their normal roster person to have 6. It cuts both ways, and finding 6 people to play 40 minutes once a week isn't that hard of an issue. If you can't, then I suggest you broaden your horizons a little in roster depth.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:40 am**

mg_ wrote:He isn't on the team and made a very public decision to leave. They have a week in advance to set up their schedules to get people to play. Taylor didn't make a break 6. If they have people on their roster that can't play, then that's their own fault. Buyer's remorse is the proper term.

It wasn't like the site got hacked that was out of his control. It was a very deliberate action.

If you want to play with ringers, then so be it. I'm just stating the obvious, like last season when someone got butthurt when they couldn't use a superior ringer to their normal roster person to have 6. It cuts both ways, and finding 6 people to play 40 minutes once a week isn't that hard of an issue. If you can't, then I suggest you broaden your horizons a little in roster depth.

I'm not arguing with any of this; it's all 100% true. I'm not backing drugs by saying it was band-aid's fault hxc left (or anybody else, for that matter). He chose to leave for reasons I don't know nor care to find out, really. But using him in the match wasn't equivalent to getting a superior ringer. It was getting somebody on their team - even though he left and was placed back on the roster by an admin before the match. I think it was just that, at this point in the season, it would be a little difficult to get backups for the team. Even if rosters were unlocked, having roster issues occur during week 8 isn't going to end well.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:01 am**

This is what I think of this thread.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:37 pm**

Damnit Jb, that's just weird...

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:54 pm**

CharlieGiteau wrote:Damnit Jb, that's just weird...

you'd hit it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:05 pm**

I just ruined my keyboard....with vomit...

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:10 pm**

Swiss wrote:
Cheating is anything against the rules that gives you an unfair advantage. Hacking is a form of cheating. Using a ringer is a form of cheating. Having Austin on your team is a form of cheating.

That just made my day

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:17 pm**

mg_ wrote:
stealthlol wrote:
nugz` wrote:rosters are locked for the season, correct? thats a rule.
no cheating,steamringing are rules, correct?

so how does it make it right to break one of them rules but the rest must be followed.
...because one is putting someone on a team and one is cheating? Is that not clear?
Cheating is anything against the rules that gives you an unfair advantage. Hacking is a form of cheating. Using a ringer is a form of cheating.

I don't like nugz but you're the same putz that cried about having to play in invite. I wouldn't be insulting anyone about anything who is trying to at least pretend there are a few rules left to the league.

We lost every match in Invite, and we'd gladly play in Invite with a team that actually deserved to be there. I was told we were being kept in Invite because no one wanted to move teams around. Regardless of whether you think we should have been in Invite or not, we made moves to actually be able to play out the season, and they failed, so it's hardly the same as someone rage-quitting the league. It's a completely different story if what nugz said was true about them having activity problems, but I still don't think it's really a fair comparison to the problems Squares had.

Also, in the case of using a ringer being a form of cheating, nugz already said he had no problem with the ringer they used in week 8. I don't see that as being the operative issue here, and even if it was, some rules just carry more weight than others. There isn't a specific TPG clause that spells it all out, but honestly, using 3rd party programs is a whole other ballgame from using a ringer. Both should be and, to my knowledge, usually are punished (in the event that the other team isn't aware of the ringer).

The issue here is the TPG admins deciding to allow hXc to play out the season if he wishes. I'm not going to say whether it was a good call or not, I just think it was a harmless one, and I was sad to see a solid team backing out of playoff contention because of it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:19 am**

it won't be as fun beating drugs w/o taylor, so tox made the call to add him back

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