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I think they let it slide because they also knew we'd do this again in playoffs, so they said fuck it. This is playoffs though, so every win matters. Every argument being made here for MVPz getting a rematch is illogical.

All corruption complaints can be sent to narc@tpgleague.org

There are ppl in here posting claiming things I said, when those ppl have no clue what I said. They should really close their holes. All of them. I am not sure if you can actually read but I did clearly state that since this was my team that I was not going to handle this dispute. There are other TPG admins. Yet I get attacked as being corrupt. This makes me el oh el. I can not wait until next season. I will enforce every single rule to the "t". Create a ticket in the wrong format, CLOSED. Players not using proper game handle, SUSPENDED. Any mm1 violation, SUSPENDED. No match comm, SUSPENDED. Any TPG related questions on steam, IGNORED. If only 1 AC feels a player is cheating, BANNED. So ANY rule violation at all will be enforced. I will enjoy next season. I will rule with an iron fist and give no breaks or considerations for anything. After all thats is what everyone wants.

As for this match, there will be no rematch, I will take the ff loss. Then I would LOVE to see what everyone can say then. Good luck mindflow, dont break 1 rule because I will be there waiting for it.

I say rematch... maybe I'll be lucky and my ping won't be all brazillian this time

Narc wrote:All corruption complaints can be sent to narc@tpgleague.org

There are ppl in here posting claiming things I said, when those ppl have no clue what I said. They should really close their holes. All of them. I am not sure if you can actually read but I did clearly state that since this was my team that I was not going to handle this dispute. There are other TPG admins. Yet I get attacked as being corrupt. This makes me el oh el. I can not wait until next season. I will enforce every single rule to the "t". Create a ticket in the wrong format, CLOSED. Players not using proper game handle, SUSPENDED. Any mm1 violation, SUSPENDED. No match comm, SUSPENDED. Any TPG related questions on steam, IGNORED. If only 1 AC feels a player is cheating, BANNED. So ANY rule violation at all will be enforced. I will enjoy next season. I will rule with an iron fist and give no breaks or considerations for anything. After all thats is what everyone wants.

As for this match, there will be no rematch, I will take the ff loss. Then I would LOVE to see what everyone can say then. Good luck mindflow, dont break 1 rule because I will be there waiting for it.

A true tpg admin.

Ginger

nomis wrote:I say rematch... maybe I'll be lucky and my ping won't be all brazillian this time

You got a kte for everything? Why cant yall just say gg see ya next season. Except all you hear about is your 3 players using the wrong guns or your ping being to high and missing certain people. We all have those issues, schimggs was pingging 100+ the whole time and was sniping. We used a ringer/7th man who go us in this whole mess, i mean we can go on and on for days with the kte but for the sake of time lets just man up and admit we lost. It happens to everyone I assure you.

And will some one in hltv please record and upload somewhere?

http://www.gotfrag.com/dod/demos/12926/ jb will probably have a better performance than this classic.


... and I just read narc's bit, so much for a striferepeat =[

How is agreeing to rematch a kte?

I'm in favor of a rematch as well at this point, would be shameful to disappoint the community. If an official rematch is impossible I would also be up for a grudge match. Both teams starting 6, no holds barred, winner gets pink slips.

Char wrote:jb, We should have won.

If you should have won, you would have won. From the sounds of it, you were getting beat in mid or mountain as well. Losing by ~100 doesn't sound like traize capped your second flag once. It sounds like you just got outplayed.

Narc wrote:All corruption complaints can be sent to narc@tpgleague.org

There are ppl in here posting claiming things I said, when those ppl have no clue what I said. They should really close their holes. All of them. I am not sure if you can actually read but I did clearly state that since this was my team that I was not going to handle this dispute. There are other TPG admins. Yet I get attacked as being corrupt. This makes me el oh el. I can not wait until next season. I will enforce every single rule to the "t". Create a ticket in the wrong format, CLOSED. Players not using proper game handle, SUSPENDED. Any mm1 violation, SUSPENDED. No match comm, SUSPENDED. Any TPG related questions on steam, IGNORED. If only 1 AC feels a player is cheating, BANNED. So ANY rule violation at all will be enforced. I will enjoy next season. I will rule with an iron fist and give no breaks or considerations for anything. After all thats is what everyone wants.

As for this match, there will be no rematch, I will take the ff loss. Then I would LOVE to see what everyone can say then. Good luck mindflow, dont break 1 rule because I will be there waiting for it.

so what your saying is, your pissed off because a member of your own team fucked up & you have take the ff (like every other team in tpg did for rating) so your going to take it out on everyone next season. lol fuck tpg.

stealthlol wrote:

Char wrote:jb, We should have won.

If you should have won, you would have won. From the sounds of it, you were getting beat in mid or mountain as well. Losing by ~100 doesn't sound like traize capped your second flag once. It sounds like you just got outplayed.

"doesn't sound like traize capped your second flag once".
Who has top flag caps for the half that he rated? Traize.

The specifics aren't terribly important. What is important is that the only dispute I've ever encountered in the history of TPG that involves an admin on the team is handled completely opposite than every other case. Makes. No. Fucking. Sense.

This should be totally up to Mindflow, they should get to choose between taking an FF and replaying the match.

If they choose to take the FF, they deserve to have people think they are fgts.

YOU MUST SETTLE THIS IN AZEROTH QUAKE1ENGINELANDIA!

Char wrote:Who has top flag caps for the half that he rated? Traize.

Did you cap their second? He could have gotten it back. Did he cap your second before dying a second later? It's not hard to rack up flag caps. Joel had 22 points in our match. That doesn't mean we won by two hundred points.

The specifics aren't terribly important. What is important is that the only dispute I've ever encountered in the history of TPG that involves an admin on the team is handled completely opposite than every other case. Makes. No. Fucking. Sense.

Looks like Narc is saying the complete opposite.

Sears wrote:This should be totally up to Mindflow, they should get to choose between taking an FF and replaying the match.
If they choose to take the FF, they deserve to have people think they are fgts.

It seems like half of them want to replay so they can prove that they are able to carry the team.

stealthlol wrote:

Char wrote:Who has top flag caps for the half that he rated? Traize.

Did you cap their second? He could have gotten it back. Did he cap your second before dying a second later? It's not hard to rack up flag caps. Joel had 22 points in our match. That doesn't mean we won by two hundred points.

The specifics aren't terribly important. What is important is that the only dispute I've ever encountered in the history of TPG that involves an admin on the team is handled completely opposite than every other case. Makes. No. Fucking. Sense.

Looks like Narc is saying the complete opposite.

Sears wrote:This should be totally up to Mindflow, they should get to choose between taking an FF and replaying the match.
If they choose to take the FF, they deserve to have people think they are fgts.

It seems like half of them want to replay so they can prove that they are able to carry the team.

So it's coincidence that the one person on their team who rated has one less cap than their combined heavy team? Ok.

Because your heavy team consisted of Will Ward shitting on mountain.

we had 14 flag caps as mountain team and their mountain team had 12 total. seems we played that side pretty slow trying to control ladder then cap when we could. josh was running and gunning so of course long was going to have more caps which accounts for that side of the maps higher Kills and Deaths.

char youre an idiot who has only been playing since 2006. taylor(taylub) you seem like a great guy.

i hope we take the ff loss, a rematch would be stupid.

i wanna see the rematch.

same teams same rates.

theshizz wrote:i wanna see the rematch.

same teams same rates.

You rule shiz! I just repped you.

charcoal had 3 more caps then their heavy team one half he must be rating cause he had so many flag caps!!

if there was a rematch they would obviously switch guns. they got outplayed and outworked that match... no sense in them having the same roster or same guns going certain routes..they learned from experience... again my baseball player using two hands analogy should hold face here. rematch is dumb, they lost, but won on a technicality, gg to both teams.

Narc wrote:All corruption complaints can be sent to narc@tpgleague.org

There are ppl in here posting claiming things I said, when those ppl have no clue what I said. They should really close their holes. All of them. I am not sure if you can actually read but I did clearly state that since this was my team that I was not going to handle this dispute. There are other TPG admins. Yet I get attacked as being corrupt. This makes me el oh el. I can not wait until next season. I will enforce every single rule to the "t". Create a ticket in the wrong format, CLOSED. Players not using proper game handle, SUSPENDED. Any mm1 violation, SUSPENDED. No match comm, SUSPENDED. Any TPG related questions on steam, IGNORED. If only 1 AC feels a player is cheating, BANNED. So ANY rule violation at all will be enforced. I will enjoy next season. I will rule with an iron fist and give no breaks or considerations for anything. After all thats is what everyone wants.

As for this match, there will be no rematch, I will take the ff loss. Then I would LOVE to see what everyone can say then. Good luck mindflow, dont break 1 rule because I will be there waiting for it.

Does this mean I can't use a 7500 rate this week? Because I sure as shit did last week.

acetamino wrote:charcoal had 3 more caps then their heavy team one half he must be rating cause he had so many flag caps!!

if there was a rematch they would obviously switch guns. they got outplayed and outworked that match... no sense in them having the same roster or same guns going certain routes..they learned from experience... again my baseball player using two hands analogy should hold face here. rematch is dumb, they lost, but won on a technicality, gg to both teams.

sums it up. It is what it is, 3h vs mindflow should be a good finals.

cassinoroyale wrote:Since people threw KS match being reversed, let me share some pearls of wisdom:

1) 90% of people being caught rating used values different than default (7500/30/30) yet lower than approved values (20000/60/60);
2) KS_Gohan was caught using cl_updaterate 20 (default is 30);
3) MVPz_Traize was caught using rate 7500 (default is 7500).

How come you want the same treatment if they're clearly different cases?

actually default updaterate is 20 while while cmdrare is 30, gohan did not rate intentionally either, his config was completely erased during a lag out during our donner match and he forgot to rest that rate

I have all of rate my settings in a userconfig.cfg that automatically gets exec'd by my config when I start the game. (it is also read only so it can never get changed by accident) I have +ex_interp 0.01 in my steam launch options. If you do that you will never accidentally rate.

reddogg wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:Since people threw KS match being reversed, let me share some pearls of wisdom:

1) 90% of people being caught rating used values different than default (7500/30/30) yet lower than approved values (20000/60/60);
2) KS_Gohan was caught using cl_updaterate 20 (default is 30);
3) MVPz_Traize was caught using rate 7500 (default is 7500).

How come you want the same treatment if they're clearly different cases?

actually default updaterate is 20 while while cmdrare is 30, gohan did not rate intentionally either, his config was completely erased during a lag out during our donner match and he forgot to rest that rate

You're wrong. cl_updaterate default is 30. Google it.

cassinoroyale wrote:

reddogg wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:Since people threw KS match being reversed, let me share some pearls of wisdom:

1) 90% of people being caught rating used values different than default (7500/30/30) yet lower than approved values (20000/60/60);
2) KS_Gohan was caught using cl_updaterate 20 (default is 30);
3) MVPz_Traize was caught using rate 7500 (default is 7500).

How come you want the same treatment if they're clearly different cases?

actually default updaterate is 20 while while cmdrare is 30, gohan did not rate intentionally either, his config was completely erased during a lag out during our donner match and he forgot to rest that rate

You're wrong. cl_updaterate default is 30. Google it.

No cmdrate is 30, update is 20.

acetamino wrote:charcoal had 3 more caps then their heavy team one half he must be rating cause he had so many flag caps!!

if there was a rematch they would obviously switch guns. they got outplayed and outworked that match... no sense in them having the same roster or same guns going certain routes..they learned from experience... again my baseball player using two hands analogy should hold face here. rematch is dumb, they lost, but won on a technicality, gg to both teams.

Yep, you're completely right, gg. Jb, I was completely fine with how I did that match even with my ping, and I actually had a decent time, just saying that 180 ping kinda sucks compared to 70-80

acetamino wrote:we had 14 flag caps as mountain team and their mountain team had 12 total. seems we played that side pretty slow trying to control ladder then cap when we could. josh was running and gunning so of course long was going to have more caps which accounts for that side of the maps higher Kills and Deaths.

char youre an idiot who has only been playing since 2006. taylor(taylub) you seem like a great guy.

i hope we take the ff loss, a rematch would be stupid.

"Only been playing since 2006" k.
Also, you suck at arguing. You all were trying to say that Traize was useless with those rates and went negative. He was actually the most productive on your team that half. Welcome to LogicLand. Population : me.

Char wrote:

acetamino wrote:we had 14 flag caps as mountain team and their mountain team had 12 total. seems we played that side pretty slow trying to control ladder then cap when we could. josh was running and gunning so of course long was going to have more caps which accounts for that side of the maps higher Kills and Deaths.

char youre an idiot who has only been playing since 2006. taylor(taylub) you seem like a great guy.

i hope we take the ff loss, a rematch would be stupid.

"Only been playing since 2006" k.
Also, you suck at arguing. You all were trying to say that Traize was useless with those rates and went negative. He was actually the most productive on your team that half. Welcome to LogicLand. Population : me.

lol? Im having a hard time finding logicland on the map, could you help me sir?

He was actually the most productive on your team that half.

- why do you keep saying "half" he had a default rate of 7500 for both halves

Also, you suck at arguing.

- I think taylor would agree with my explanation of why mountain teams had less flags then the long route makes sense because hearing him talk in ventrilo he seemed very knowledgeable about the game. Unfortunately, your lack of experience (2006) shows you don't know strategy that well, and assume running and gunning (the new style of play) is the way to go.
- Also, I think nomis has agreed with me twice now, and I respect austin has a player and a good guy.

You all were trying to say that Traize was useless with those rates and went negative

- Until this post I don't believe I mentioned "Traize" or "rates" so I don't know how you can group me into that discussion. Im purely trying to show you what numbers like flag caps, and k:d can insinuate.


Also, I wish we recorded vent so people can hear how many times Josh, Pat, or myself yelled at traize for doing stupid things. (going to our second when we said hold the 1, Josh saying, "what the fuck are you doing traize?" or "why are you fucking sitting there, they're are dead move up.") Traize tried his hardest and without him it would of been a FF loss anyways.

I never claimed to have a great amount of experience. I was simply saying that I've been playing this game for 5-6 years, and have yet to see this happen. It is a very obvious sign of corruption in the league. If you want to attack me personally, and say I have little experience - That's fine. I hardly care. Just remember, I did better than you.

I did better than you.

please explain...

I disagree because we went different routes, the play-style was different on each side of the map, long seemed to be running and gunning thats why there were high flag caps for that side of the map. the heavy side played slow and tried to control ladder.

you don't understand anything about the strategy behind this game. You can simply say you did better than me by looking at that scoreboard. maybe i broke mid more than you, or cleared a wave at spawn so we could cap middle. maybe i had more full cap outs then you. These are all things that dont show on the scoreboard. that post just showed your ignorance towards a subject of the game. A subject that your lack of experience does not yet allow you to understand.

I think many people will agree with me on this.

How do you know I didn't take all of that into account? Blatant ignorance. I think many people will agree with me on this.
You don't know me. I AIN'T DAT BABY DADDY.

How do you know I didn't take all of that into account?

It can't be taken into account.. I didn't see your POV and you didn't see mine. There was no HLTV, there is no way to compare two players with two different roles (one runs and guns / one who plays smart and holds part of the map)

I'm glad I don't know you. I'm ashamed taylor, and austin know you and want to play with you.

cassinoroyale wrote:

reddogg wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:Since people threw KS match being reversed, let me share some pearls of wisdom:

1) 90% of people being caught rating used values different than default (7500/30/30) yet lower than approved values (20000/60/60);
2) KS_Gohan was caught using cl_updaterate 20 (default is 30);
3) MVPz_Traize was caught using rate 7500 (default is 7500).

How come you want the same treatment if they're clearly different cases?

actually default updaterate is 20 while while cmdrare is 30, gohan did not rate intentionally either, his config was completely erased during a lag out during our donner match and he forgot to rest that rate

You're wrong. cl_updaterate default is 30. Google it.

just remove your config from dod before u start dod up and type out the commands to see the numbers that come up updaterate is 20 and cmdrate is 30

acetamino wrote:

How do you know I didn't take all of that into account?

It can't be taken into account.. I didn't see your POV and you didn't see mine. There was no HLTV, there is no way to compare two players with two different roles (one runs and guns / one who plays smart and holds part of the map)

I'm glad I don't know you. I'm ashamed taylor, and austin know you and want to play with you.

You. Sound. Like. A. Pubber. Right. Now.
By the way, I did find it funny when jb came into vent and said I was strafing weird, and shooting him before he could even see me. Then he comes on here and says he's better than everyone except Austin. It seems like our skill level changes with your mood. Typical nerdrage.

Also, It's pretty simple to keep track of kills/caps/breaks. I didn't see you do a whole lot of anything. Check your caps and kills in screenshots bro.

Char wrote:

acetamino wrote:

How do you know I didn't take all of that into account?

It can't be taken into account.. I didn't see your POV and you didn't see mine. There was no HLTV, there is no way to compare two players with two different roles (one runs and guns / one who plays smart and holds part of the map)

I'm glad I don't know you. I'm ashamed taylor, and austin know you and want to play with you.

You. Sound. Like. A. Pubber. Right. Now.
By the way, I did find it funny when jb came into vent and said I was strafing weird, and shooting him before he could even see me. Then he comes on here and says he's better than everyone except Austin. It seems like our skill level changes with your mood. Typical nerdrage.

Also, It's pretty simple to keep track of kills/caps/breaks. I didn't see you do a whole lot of anything. Check your caps and kills in screenshots bro.

You're very, very wrong.

Ace, there is no point in arguing with an immature little kid. All I'm reading is "I know you are, but what am I?" when I attempt to read his posts. It's a shame this happened but whatever, you live and you learn. You're unofficial TPG CHAMPS!

Char wrote:

acetamino wrote:

How do you know I didn't take all of that into account?

It can't be taken into account.. I didn't see your POV and you didn't see mine. There was no HLTV, there is no way to compare two players with two different roles (one runs and guns / one who plays smart and holds part of the map)

I'm glad I don't know you. I'm ashamed taylor, and austin know you and want to play with you.

You. Sound. Like. A. Pubber. Right. Now.
By the way, I did find it funny when jb came into vent and said I was strafing weird, and shooting him before he could even see me. Then he comes on here and says he's better than everyone except Austin. It seems like our skill level changes with your mood. Typical nerdrage.

Also, It's pretty simple to keep track of kills/caps/breaks. I didn't see you do a whole lot of anything. Check your caps and kills in screenshots bro.

Just because I give you a compliment doesnt mean that your better then me. Its actually difficult to break down players and measure them on diffrent skill levels. Some players are good at certain things and some are good at others. I thought you were a good opponent and I showed you the respect afterwards. Id appreciate the same, but when the game gets clouded with bullshit that doesnt always happen.

I think this sums up this thread.

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Soooooo... people thinking that there should be a rematch because this is kind of a sad way to see a solid matchup resolved, is illogical. That's a dumb thing to say. Most people who aren't on either of the involved teams aren't breaking down the point difference. We just think it sucks. Although I do think it's funny you really want to believe that Traize's rates DEFINITELY made that 90 point difference happen, and that him having a few more flag caps is proof of anything. You give us a great montage of Traize capturing last flags under a hail of ineffective bullets while he laughs maniacally, or get the fuck out of here with poor arguments that, for all their appearances to this community, are just a rationale for being angry with DemoFreak on hand.

Also, I'm not trying to imply that mindflow isn't a solid finals team. I think both teams could be. I just think the arguments being made by this char character are generally foolish.

nomis wrote:I say rematch... maybe I'll be lucky and my ping won't be all brazillian this time

Like mine was? Shit was crazy.

joeledmunds wrote:Soooooo... people thinking that there should be a rematch because this is kind of a sad way to see a solid matchup resolved, is illogical. That's a dumb thing to say. Most people who aren't on either of the involved teams aren't breaking down the point difference. We just think it sucks. Although I do think it's funny you really want to believe that Traize's rates DEFINITELY made that 90 point difference happen, and that him having a few more flag caps is proof of anything. You give us a great montage of Traize capturing last flags under a hail of ineffective bullets while he laughs maniacally, or get the fuck out of here with poor arguments that, for all their appearances to this community, are just a rationale for being angry with DemoFreak on hand.

MVPz broke a rule, they can't handle the FF loss, they request a rematch. Their reasoning - "Traize didn't do anything but go negative and get dumped on". Last I checked, that doesn't fucking matter. No one checked our scores when we rated and our shit got overturned. I was explaining how their excuses are bullshit. Traize clearly wasn't useless. He had top flag caps when he rated his balls off. It's in the rules. You rate, you lose. Not entirely difficult to understand, is it? TPG is corrupt. End of god damn discussion?

Char you really are starting to sound like a moron. You end you comments with "TPG is corrupt" How so? Mindflow is in the finals, not MVPz. I know you think its cool to go around calling admins corrupt and such but sadly this isnt true. I keep my personal feelings out of disputes. Good luck in finals, and have fun getting stomped in invite. and no I will not move your team down.