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Jb_ wrote:

kellen_rust wrote:look at josh getting all heated over this thread. i won cal-i 4 times, CPL/WSVG twice, and placed second place at CPL as well.

i think that puts me in a unique position to make a call, and i can confidentially say check-six was the best team that ever played the game in the money-era.

Look at Kellen get all heated bc I took some of his dod medals away. Well Kellen I guess its safe to say we are the 2 most decorated dod players ever, besides dsnipes of course. If x6 was the best then hb wasnt far behind, esp for a team that tried 80% less then you guys.

oh lawds, where is jaggon to remind everyone that HE is in fact the most decorated dod player ever... rofl

all we need is corey pulling out his lan rings

I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

Ahem, I am the most decorated dod player. I wear at least 3 hats and a number of patterned scarves whilst gaming, always. BEAT THAT FAGGOTS.

D7 for the win!

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

I think you forget about |5.o|'s 3 year run at the top of OGL...

Silly Nick.

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

sunlit DoD and Eagle DOD league don't count.

mg_ wrote:

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

sunlit DoD and Eagle DOD league don't count.

lewlies

Schmiggs wrote:

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

I think you forget about |5.o|'s 3 year run at the top of OGL...

Silly Nick.

Were you in the match on merderet where LAN MAN nade bugged us? I was so pissed I did one bag, and got flipped on by a 50 yr old member because we would have won the match if I didn't retaliate. haha

mg_ wrote:

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

sunlit DoD and Eagle DOD league don't count.

IGL, UGL, and STA sure do!

Airnick15 wrote:

Schmiggs wrote:

Airnick15 wrote:I think I am the most decorated online player in this game, Vp won a lot of titles. So sit down.

I think you forget about |5.o|'s 3 year run at the top of OGL...

Silly Nick.

Were you in the match on merderet where LAN MAN nade bugged us? I was so pissed I did one bag, and got flipped on by a 50 yr old member because we would have won the match if I didn't retaliate. haha

Dude, that's awesome!

not to take anything away from what it means to win a tournament, but hb wasn't exactly dominant at the CPL you won... got knocked to the lower bracket early, squeaked out a bunch of wins against pugs and then got spry and ackpth to start whining and took 2 games off the best pug there to win the tourney.

six months later, hb wasn't even close to coL's level at CPL Summer 2005. hb also placed 5th, not 4th at that CPL. at that time, there was 3 tiers of teams.

The first tier was x6/coL. All of our matches, with the exception of the cal-i finals where coL was playing from a laggy lan center, were close. For the most part, our scrimmages and bootcamp games were close. I thought x6 was the better team but that in a long series we would only beat coL maybe 60-65% of the games. No other team was close. We lost scrims, and even matches during CAL, but I would guess that if we had played a long series with any other team, none would have won anything close to 35% of the games. We could play well against coL and they could still take games off us. No other team could do that.

The 2nd tier was u5/exigent/hb/tec/ele/ukz... these teams I knew that if we had an off game, and they played well, we could lose. I also knew that if we played an average game, we would beat them unless they played a career game. If we played well, and they played anything less than great, it probably wouldn't be close. u5 was the best of those teams. Not sure how the rest stacked up.

The 3rd tier was everyone else in cal-i, where we would have to play fucking awful and they would have to play an amazing game for us to lose. Normally, we would just win by 200+ no matter what map.

I think x6 was better than any of the dominant teams to come before or after, but I have no idea whether we were more dominant than them. We didn't stick around very long (7months). We didn't win every cal-i title while we were a team. The only way you could consider us the MOST dominant is if we were way better than everyone else, but everyone was so good when we played that I don't think that could be true. We just happened to be the best when everyone tried hard and had figured the game out.

I was happy to be a 3rd tier team back then. We weren't nearly as talented but we had fun.

that's it schmiggs. the time has finally come. how dare you claim that THE ELUSIVE DUCK was the SECOND MOST CORRUPT CAL ADMIN OF ALL TIME. that is all.

I put all of the South Americans into one division, and then "accidentally" deleted said division in what TED dubbed "Operation Smelly Bananas".

Is that corrupt?

Well scorch your probably right, but lets not forget we had a diffrent roster at cpl 05. Also lets face facts, being under the col/x6 name you guys were forced to perform even if you didnt want to. Im not hating its all good, but everyone at that time knew hb was a team that put little effort and got alot of results. If anything you have to respect that. Hell we placed 5th as u put it, by smoking weed before every match and thats a fact. You can ask any of our members about that. Just ask ninjuh where he spent the night before we played col on rr at summer 05. LoL in that bathroom thats where!!! Is that a kte? Yeh it is and it was our fault for not putting the effort we needed to into winning. I guess winning the previous cpl made our heads a little bigger then they should have been. Im not taking anything away from col or x6 but I just dont see how you can leave hb out of the the top tier teams as u put it. With a little tryhard in our pants who knows what we could have done. After everything is said and done we didnt, and we got gayed out by the aussies and you guys won. Congrats not taking anything away from yall, I always had respect for you guys and the col guys(minus chaos). Hell I had been playing against yall for years. It doesnt really mattern now bc you and me are both shit compared to these kids who 12 man 24/7 LoL

Btw how you doing buddy? Come back and plays some dod its hella fun these days!

Oh btw we smashed u5 on lan that summer.

scorcheezey, my humor didn't come through in the thread.

The fact is that most would expect that he would have been the most corrupt admin of all, however, he was one of the least. It's just the irony of the whole thing that makes it funny.

12 man winnfield vent!

I'm spending time with the wife and daughter. Can't you tell???

Josh,

don't worry about not getting acknowledgement from the other top teams. From the perspective of a player and a team that always strived to be at a top tier level I have to say you all (hb, col, x6) had your time. There were times I would scrim or play a match against anyone of the top tier teams and say to myself hell even we could beat them or wow that team is going to win it all. I don't want to say a team got lucky but maybe they did or maybe they just practiced a little harder for that match and it worked out in the long run. I think the big game changer all came down to intelligence and self-control. Teams like hb and risk had crazy amounts of skill where teams like col and x6 had grandpa like self-control and experience, they always did the right things at the right times.

Now that I am older and have more of understanding for the game I can see why certain players were needed for a team. Chaos and max were smart and could hold a route but would hardly win a one v one against the top players in the game where Kellen, dorito, and Marshall would frag like sobs. It's all relavent and maybe it's only the difference of a few small plays and a few more hours of practice. Who knows, who cares now. We all know who was the best team: n2p/Eximius. Kthx

had frag dominant been around back then we probably would have topped x6, online and lan. woulda been pretty close though.

if frag dominant had been around back then your alias would've been ryanscreamo

but i don't like screamo

when you're getting shot in the back by habib in the dumbest/best corner in the universe, you don't have a choice. the screamo just happens.

scorch- wrote:when you're getting shot in the back by habib in the dumbest/best corner in the universe, you don't have a choice. the screamo just happens.

lol so true

seanality wrote:Josh,

don't worry about not getting acknowledgement from the other top teams. From the perspective of a player and a team that always strived to be at a top tier level I have to say you all (hb, col, x6) had your time. There were times I would scrim or play a match against anyone of the top tier teams and say to myself hell even we could beat them or wow that team is going to win it all. I don't want to say a team got lucky but maybe they did or maybe they just practiced a little harder for that match and it worked out in the long run. I think the big game changer all came down to intelligence and self-control. Teams like hb and risk had crazy amounts of skill where teams like col and x6 had grandpa like self-control and experience, they always did the right things at the right times.

Now that I am older and have more of understanding for the game I can see why certain players were needed for a team. Chaos and max were smart and could hold a route but would hardly win a one v one against the top players in the game where Kellen, dorito, and Marshall would frag like sobs. It's all relavent and maybe it's only the difference of a few small plays and a few more hours of practice. Who knows, who cares now. We all know who was the best team: n2p/Eximius. Kthx

Thats a good way of looking at it, I have to agree with you sir.

better yet, when you have habib having someone ghosting your entire team at LAN and yelling "Nice shot habib!" when one of us is ninja'd, i can definitely see where the screamo happens

seanality wrote:Teams like hb and risk had crazy amounts of skill where teams like col and x6 had grandpa like self-control and experience, they always did the right things at the right times.

Now that I am older and have more of understanding for the game I can see why certain players were needed for a team. Chaos and max were smart and could hold a route but would hardly win a one v one against the top players in the game where Kellen, dorito, and Marshall would frag like sobs.

Why are skill and self-control mutually exclusive in your mind? Dorito and deadbeat were the best players in the game because they were faster and had better aim and made better decisions than anyone else at their positions. Watch bryan's movies and ask yourself how often was he in a bad position and had to make a great shot to stay alive... and count those versus the times he was in a great position and hit a good shot that he made look easy. And that's in a movie, where someone's showing off his ability to hit incredible shots.

I don't expect you to know this because I don't think you've ever sniped, but the hardest skill to learn for a sniper is to not shoot, or to shoot slower. Call it self-control, or patience, but it's something that you have to train yourself to do if you want to be the best. Being able to tell the difference between someone showing their left shoulder to bait a shot and someone peeking with their left shoulder is fucking hard. If a sniper can't do that, they're not good. They're toast against anyone good. Your team straight up loses middle on rr2, and any other map with sniper windows, if your sniper can't do this and the other team's can. There were a lot of cal-i snipers that couldn't do that. Were they more or less skilled than snipers that practiced that level of self-control and visual recognition? You actually have to be faster than people that shoot at that shoulder bait if you want to be able to recognize it and then react. If you're that fast, you realize you can train yourself to be better than everyone else and you go do it. This applies to a ton of other situations where not shooting as fast as you can react gives you an easier, more consistently hittable shot.

x6 was the best because we had more skill and made better decisions than other teams, not one or the other. coL was likely the same, although I didn't play with them so I can't speak for them.

p.s. Max was taking rounds off carnage in ra3 at our Lethal Gamers bootcamp. He had really fucking good aim. If you associate proning (to ensure kills) with bad aim, it's because you've never been good.

scorch- wrote:

seanality wrote:Teams like hb and risk had crazy amounts of skill where teams like col and x6 had grandpa like self-control and experience, they always did the right things at the right times.

Now that I am older and have more of understanding for the game I can see why certain players were needed for a team. Chaos and max were smart and could hold a route but would hardly win a one v one against the top players in the game where Kellen, dorito, and Marshall would frag like sobs.

Why are skill and self-control mutually exclusive in your mind? Dorito and deadbeat were the best players in the game because they were faster and had better aim and made better decisions than anyone else at their positions. Watch bryan's movies and ask yourself how often was he in a bad position and had to make a great shot to stay alive... and count those versus the times he was in a great position and hit a good shot that he made look easy. And that's in a movie, where someone's showing off his ability to hit incredible shots.

I don't expect you to know this because I don't think you've ever sniped, but the hardest skill to learn for a sniper is to not shoot, or to shoot slower. Call it self-control, or patience, but it's something that you have to train yourself to do if you want to be the best. Being able to tell the difference between someone showing their left shoulder to bait a shot and someone peeking with their left shoulder is fucking hard. If a sniper can't do that, they're not good. They're toast against anyone good. Your team straight up loses middle on rr2, and any other map with sniper windows, if your sniper can't do this and the other team's can. There were a lot of cal-i snipers that couldn't do that. Were they more or less skilled than snipers that practiced that level of self-control and visual recognition? You actually have to be faster than people that shoot at that shoulder bait if you want to be able to recognize it and then react. If you're that fast, you realize you can train yourself to be better than everyone else and you go do it. This applies to a ton of other situations where not shooting as fast as you can react gives you an easier, more consistently hittable shot.

x6 was the best because we had more skill and made better decisions than other teams, not one or the other. coL was likely the same, although I didn't play with them so I can't speak for them.

p.s. Max was taking rounds off carnage in ra3 at our Lethal Gamers bootcamp. He had really fucking good aim. If you associate proning (to ensure kills) with bad aim, it's because you've never been good.

I dunno about all that, I just use to open dod and play. But yeh cool you guys were the best!

Yeah thats some hardcore ktp.

scorch- wrote:when you're getting shot in the back by habib in the dumbest/best corner in the universe, you don't have a choice. the screamo just happens.

This^^^

scorch- wrote:I don't expect you to know this because I don't think you've ever sniped, but the hardest skill to learn for a sniper is to not shoot, or to shoot slower. Call it self-control, or patience, but it's something that you have to train yourself to do if you want to be the best. Being able to tell the difference between someone showing their left shoulder to bait a shot and someone peeking with their left shoulder is fucking hard. If a sniper can't do that, they're not good. They're toast against anyone good. Your team straight up loses middle on rr2, and any other map with sniper windows, if your sniper can't do this and the other team's can. There were a lot of cal-i snipers that couldn't do that. Were they more or less skilled than snipers that practiced that level of self-control and visual recognition? You actually have to be faster than people that shoot at that shoulder bait if you want to be able to recognize it and then react. If you're that fast, you realize you can train yourself to be better than everyone else and you go do it. This applies to a ton of other situations where not shooting as fast as you can react gives you an easier, more consistently hittable shot.

dan droppin fuckin science itt

i would also like to add that beyond knowing how to aim+shoot you also need to recognize where to refocus your efforts depending on where your team is weak, who on the other team is overpowering you, or when you can exploit certain routes to your advantage

this usually marks the difference between bads who sit in allies loft on rr2 for the whole match and don't know when it's better to push 4way or funnel into long out of apts

Sniping relies just as much on speeding up your reactions as it does slowing them down.

If you can't get that shot off fast enough, the other player has the upper hand. Getting into those 1v1 sniper situations where it's just you two and you keep trading off shots, getting cornered and dropping down to 1% health... Those were the fun moments :] Although I never thought sniper competition was very impressive online, lan however was a blast.

james- wrote:Sniping relies just as much on speeding up your reactions as it does slowing them down.

If you can't get that shot off fast enough, the other player has the upper hand. Getting into those 1v1 sniper situations where it's just you two and you keep trading off shots, getting cornered and dropping down to 1% health... Those were the fun moments :] Although I never thought sniper competition was very impressive online, lan however was a blast.

I guess my point was that there's a whole different world of understanding the top players developed that most people just playing in CAL never experienced. When I got to be pretty good, I thought the difference was being able to react faster. When I played more cs/dod and could react faster, I realized there was a lot more to being better than just shooting faster.

sniping in CS is very much dependent on not taking that bait shot at crucial times, even though you know damn well half the time you can make it. its all about timing when you snipe. i never really got good at it in dod, but i know from experience in CS, that not waiting for the push and attempting to make the snap shot on the peek was 90% of the time how you got yourself out of position, killed, or gave up a site. lower level players its easy to make up that mistake, you get punished hard once you hit that upper level of skill though.

this thread has turned into the nerdiest conversation ever.

congrats cpl-i +++ cyber-athletes

I think you guys are overanalyzing this, all you do is sit in a window/tower/crack for two halves and shoot shit after your teammates die. At least that is what blake lennon has taught us.

Haha, well to each his own

jb- attracting e-thugs as always. Best promoter in this game goes to josh mutha fuckin brown yall.

keep the prac.

If I could like or thumbs up Fusions post I would. Oh and wtf Marshall_D, can I have your autograph?

oh hai!~

Well... I'm not part of the USA community but I have to agree that x6/coL was a step above other teams back then. And please don't even start some kind a prejudiced reply or something. Be cool just reading and ignoring it.

However as far as game legacy is concerned highball have better music in its vid. This can count points for them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flcsHF0jwEs

And by the way, about

Sears wrote:I put all of the South Americans into one division, and then "accidentally" deleted said division in what TED dubbed "Operation Smelly Bananas".

Is that corrupt?

Yes, it was. A lot actually lol.

Bro, it's not my fault that they you people couldn't figure out how to play each other in your own division and FF'd every single one of your matches, it had to be done...

Schmiggs wrote:LOL I miss hanging out in RVC. They were all good guys and some of the best players of the game used to be in there.

Lots of good times had there.

Coolest group of guys. Totally glad I got to be apart of it!

rvc wdup


dschey want my wow account?

I don't understand how this is even a topic of debate.

3xtreme humiliation is the winningest team in the history of the game.

As far as all the other amazing teams that had good runs, they were trying hard while we were away on vacation celebrating all of our glorious victories.

s0v obv spent too much time in the club last night. 5.o has that shit on lock.