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Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:24 am
by stealthlol
Thing is, it's all opinion based. A lot of people hate lennon. A lot like it. Same goes for solitude, rr1, aleutian, and more. You can't really say the map is bad for competition because you don't like it. The only map I hear a general consensus on for being awful is muhle.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:59 am
by unpro
A lot of people in cs like aztec and cbble, doesnt make them good maps for competitive play.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:23 pm
by cassinoroyale
unpro wrote:A lot of people in cs like aztec and cbble, doesnt make them good maps for competitive play.
both maps were good for competitive playing back in the day. through the course of cs competitive scene what happened to aztec is that it ended up so much overused. also when cs 1.6 replaced cs 1.5, some maps had issues with the fps count and thus they got removed, making room for maps such as cpl_mill (the new tuscan) and cpl_strike (mirage) to debut. as for cbble, the map was known to be heavily ct sided and when cs 1.6 was released, there were no restrictions about shield usage. i remember that the old eswc forum section had this debate and the outcome was to remove it from eswc (and consequently from other majors). this is from 2005/2006 or so.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:25 pm
by unpro
actually no, back when i started in cs 1.3 Aztec and Cbble where both 50/50 with the community. most people higher than cal-o debated playing the maps. i knew lots of people in cal-m back then who despised aztec and cbble for the simple reason that they where imbalanced maps. aztec is easily worked down to the team with the better awps wins. cbble could come down to the exact same thing.
has nothing to do with how much a map is played. aztec and cobble are bad maps, they just didnt have a replacement for them at the time. if that was true, d2 and inferno would be the most hated maps in CS, and for most people its the opposite.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:37 pm
by cassinoroyale
well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them. from my point of view you're basically talking about cal divisions map discussions (therefore USA impressions) while my opinion came from what i remember about these maps and the reasons why a team that pretty much went to all major tournament from 2002 through 2009 didn't practiced these maps anymore from a certain point onwards. its all good man, thats just a matter of opinion i suppose.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:52 pm
by unpro
Because while the cpl was running pre 2005, the us was cs globally. No other tournament had remotely the same meaning to anyone playing cs at the time. Not wcg, not eswc, it was all cpl. For a very long time the us was what set precedent for lans and map choices at lans. The cpl maps came about to address serious issues with the map pool for cs, not because of fps issues on aztec.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:55 pm
by Sp|dEr
Anyone else wanna see DoD_ Forrest be put into the mix???
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:04 pm
by unpro
i would try to kill someone through the internet for that.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:56 pm
by scorch-
The reason that cbble and aztec were not good competitive maps is because winning a Terrorist round on either map was like scoring a goal in soccer... either a sequence of incredible plays by terrorists or one really bad play by the CT team. It was not uncommon for the lesser-skilled team to play a shutout on CT side.
Assuming neither happened, the only even round was the pistol round. If you won both pistol rounds you won the match... even though you played a total of 24 rounds, the outcome of those two rounds determined the winner of the match. If you lost both pistol rounds, you had to make up an extra 3 wins to even the score on a side where winning any round required a lot of luck or bad play from the other team.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:59 pm
by scorch-
All that aside, dod maps can't really be bad... they can be really boring to play. The reason that I think Lennon is one of the worst maps is because of the randomness. The smaller the map, the more random full caps become. The difference between a person dying 1 second earlier or later can be the difference between getting to a good spot, capping out, or dying on your way. I felt the same way on whatever that map was we played last season that was notharrington. Aleutian?
It's not really "bad" it's just a worse indicator of the better team because the outcome is more random.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:09 pm
by CraftyDus
The typical half a dozen usual suspects are well-balanced and just fine.
I'm loving the classic, it's keeping the game interesting and fun.
I'm happy to play the newest maps from lerf and ace, or any change of pace, really.
If i dont' take a couple days off from [harry,rr2,lennon,anzio,sherman, etc]-now and then, I might snap.
Keep it fresh.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:05 am
by MagneticSkull
If Emmanuel taught us anything, it's that knowing the map makes a huge difference. Reason enough to throw in a random or two to separate those who are really good at this game, and those who just know Anzio, RR2, Harrington like the back of their hand. There are plenty of good custom maps that were used in the old days of CAL and TPG that deserve some playing time.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:49 am
by lolinus
When we played emmanuel we won with 5. That was the 1st/2nd time for nearly the entire team to play it.
Thanks to cass for scrimming it with us before and teaching me were the fuck long was.
So knowing a map is like meh. Think teamwork is more important than knowing the map.
Oh, and only reason to play Emmanuel is because you can shoot the cow, dont know how many times i died on that map just because of that fucking cow....
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:51 am
by lolinus
cassinoroyale wrote:well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them.
Nice English idiot.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:10 pm
by cassinoroyale
lolinus wrote:cassinoroyale wrote:well, back when i used to play counter strike, the arena.dba/mibr team used our lan center to practice quite often and most us were very friends with them.
Nice English idiot.
Thanks for being another person who likes to remind me that I actually don't review my texts prior posting them.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm
by acetamino
Cal_sherman2
Villa_b1
My preseason votes
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:20 pm
by motive
lolinus wrote:When we played emmanuel we won with 5.
that was a silly ass match
i did ok though i was all like pew poW POW FLOCKA
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:08 pm
by toxinatoR
feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..
soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet
Any 8 from this list would work..
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:20 pm
by Miller`
toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..
soltiude
emmanuel_b3
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet
Any 8 from this list would work..
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:38 pm
by scorch-
toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..
soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet
Any 8 from this list would work..
Would remove saints from this list, but otherwise +1
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:39 pm
by Airnick15
toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season..
Any 8 from this list would work..
Minus Main.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:43 pm
by stealthlol
scorch- wrote:toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..
soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet
Any 8 from this list would work..
Would remove saints from this list, but otherwise +1
This. Fingers crossed that saints doesn't make the cut this season.
Re: Season 29 maps
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:12 pm
by reddogg
toxinatoR wrote:feel like finals should ALWAYS BE ON ANZIO.. after seeing such close finals matches this past season.. pretty redic..
soltiude
emmanuel
donner
harrington
anzio
lennon
railroad2
saints
chemille
railroad
merderet
Any 8 from this list would work..
no saints or merderet and add aleutian