Re: idea
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:02 pm
i hate some of those wildi guys, they are some rude people
defiance wrote:Upper
Thunder
dreamworks
99
risk
slow loris
dgf
Wild Ineters
GSR
Variables: dpk, winnfield, LcM
Middle:
WR
HH
1080p
fM
MVPz
Teamless
weakmind
rehab
argento
reines.el
wal
fireeyes
Pub:
BIO*
KS
BtH
BAW
475
HK
Are any of those south american teams, "pub" teams. It would be highly annoying to pretty much have to play a south american team every other week.
Sorry for two posts but we can shorten the lower divisions schedule, Make it 4-5 weeks to the amount of teams in the division, but again I dont think SA should play in middle or upper just have a divison of upper and lower to them selves if we can get all the teams back. Also didnt everyone hate playing 10 weeks I mean we can shorten all the schedules depending on the teams in that division. Play eachother twice. Which would probably still be 10.. Five teams in middle with No SA's would be 10 weeks so you can play a team twice. Or make that shorter and keep the top two teams not palying eachother for awhile till Finals. I know I hates playing Suap three times and not palying the other teams we maybe couldve won against last year. And we played GSR three times in upper for no reason what so ever.stealthlol wrote:No need to get antsy. From what I've read, everybody more or less agrees with you. You must just be ignoring all the others posts like this that explain it to you:Black Hawk wrote:I don't know if this is hard for some of you to understand. Some Lower pepople/ captains DON'T want to play in upper but don't want to play in lower. If they want to play in upper they can join another team. HAVE A MIDDLE Division, is that not better?The only way to make this work properly is to put the South Americans back into groups with everybody else, but of course that will send half the players into a blind frenzy.unpro wrote:So you want the same 4 teams to play each other over and over for 6-8 weeks?
Thats why there is no middle, there simply are not enough people playing this game to make it a very viable option
What is your basis for it ruining a league? Certainly there will be some people who will cry about it, but these tend to be the people that cry about everything. In the past there was not an issue about keeping it separate, but seeing as how the community has dwindled down, then we can't be as picky about how we divide up teams if we want to keep it running as long as possible.Black Hawk wrote:Thats the thing, we want to play competitively but not against people with 200+ ping. If you want to ruin a league thats how you would do so. No body likes playing against South Americans.
I can assure you that a mediocre (I'm in a good mood, you're welcome) player will not be able to outplay someone of greater skill level because of a ping difference. There are certain scenarios in which they have an edge, but most of the time I'll take the lower ping. Now when people are rating in addition to a high that just ruins it, but this can be prevented/punished.Black Hawk wrote:Im sorry but its just crazy, If I had 200 ping Id be pretty good playing against people with 15-90 ping too.
Personally I get bored with shitstomping people in the pubclans.Black Hawk wrote:475th vs WR isn't fun for them but for us it would be fun.
Again, if you get beat it won't be because the other team wins because their pings give them such a massive advantage, it will probably be because they are better, and would beat you if everyone was on a level pinging field (see what I did there?) as well.Black Hawk wrote:I know the europens would just stomp on us in middle with High ping so it would only be fun for them.
go play a 12 man with a south american team, playin with 200 ping is not easy at all and despite what some people think it is a pretty big disadvantge, i remember we playing an actual european team, 1st half on our server, 2nd half on theirs, and the home team the had the lower pings steam rolled each half(playing as axis on lennon if i remember correctly) so with that bein said it's more of a disadvantage for them than any kind of advantage that they could gainBlack Hawk wrote:If I had 200 ping Id be pretty good playing against people with 15-90 ping too.
If YOU played with 200 ping, you'd probably struggle to drop a dougbomb(5), honestly, you're thinking it gives a huge advantage to the ones with high ping, not the case at all. Sorry, don't want to start an argument about high ping and shit, but blackhawk, you are just not thinking when you post.Black Hawk wrote:Thats the thing, we want to play competitively but not against people with 200+ ping. If you want to ruin a league thats how you would do so. No body likes playing against South Americans. Im sorry but its just crazy, If I had 200 ping Id be pretty good playing against people with 15-90 ping too. But yet thats the thing, this will allow the divisions to have FUN. Playing WR vs Thunder is not fun what so ever, WR vs MVPz would be fun. I mean this isn't all about being competitive, its about bringing more people to play but having fun with teams of your own skill level. 475th vs WR isn't fun for them but for us it would be fun. Wildi vs 475th would be fun for wildi. I know the europens would just stomp on us in middle with High ping so it would only be fun for them. DCN is the league you can play with SA as wil ESL. I think this only makes since to have a middle, also not have SA's be in our leagues.
I was referring to blackhawk, he's making it sound like he could play amazing with 200 ping, when in reality, he would probably do extremely terrible, then beg to play with normal pingavenger wrote:having south american players in the league wouldn't ruin it, stop being an idiot.
on the other side of the argument, those of you making it sound like playing with a 200 ping is so super duper hard people couldn't drop 5 kills with it need to stop it. its odd getting used to it but its not nearly as hard as its being made out to be. (i've scrimmed brazi's on their server's in the past w/ dgf and i played for a euro team back in the day (lower tier team/not really known team, palestra) so i have experience in playing with a higher ping.)
wasn't tryin to make it sound impossible i've played in some 12 mans in SA servers and have done decent, just trying to show blackhawk it doesn't instantly make u god eitheravenger wrote:having south american players in the league wouldn't ruin it, stop being an idiot.
on the other side of the argument, those of you making it sound like playing with a 200 ping is so super duper hard people couldn't drop 5 kills with it need to stop it. its odd getting used to it but its not nearly as hard as its being made out to be. (i've scrimmed brazi's on their server's in the past w/ dgf and i played for a euro team back in the day (lower tier team/not really known team, palestra) so i have experience in playing with a higher ping.)
These are but a few points from one of your previous posts. First off, how could making three division be a help to the lower division if you're only allowing them to play a few times? It is like saying, "We don't want you to get shit stomped, but we don't care if you actually play, either." Also, having only 5 teams is a joke. Each match would consist of two weeks and a bye every single time. Finally, how does having the "top two teams not playing each other for a while until finals" work? Just look at the lower bracket for this season - sometimes the worst team that makes playoffs are better than the "best teams."Black Hawk wrote:Sorry for two posts but we can shorten the lower divisions schedule, Make it 4-5 weeks to the amount of teams in the division....Five teams in middle with No SA's would be 10 weeks so you can play a team twice. Or make that shorter and keep the top two teams not palying eachother for awhile till Finals.
Half the people in this thread alone said they don't mind playing South Americans. Also, tpg just started segregating the divisions recently, did they not? South Americans played competitively with everybody else before I took a two year hiatus back in 2008. Pretty sure they even won upper one season? Hell, half the people I knew would have rather played skillgamerz than a good number of U.S. teams. Like I said before, though, I really don't think you're reading (maybe just not comprehending) everybody's posts. You just keep repeating what you've already tried to say after everybody has proven it to be wrong. :/Black Hawk wrote: but you know that EVERYONE HATES playing against South Americans. Everyone does and everyone knows it....tpg has always been about play with your skill level US & CA vs US & CA.
stealthlol wrote: I really don't think you're reading (maybe just not comprehending) everybody's posts. You just keep repeating what you've already tried to say after everybody has proven it to be wrong. :/
nomis wrote:If YOU played with 200 ping, you'd probably struggle to drop a dougbomb(5), honestly, you're thinking it gives a huge advantage to the ones with high ping, not the case at all. Sorry, don't want to start an argument about high ping and shit, but blackhawk, you are just not thinking when you post.Black Hawk wrote:Thats the thing, we want to play competitively but not against people with 200+ ping. If you want to ruin a league thats how you would do so. No body likes playing against South Americans. Im sorry but its just crazy, If I had 200 ping Id be pretty good playing against people with 15-90 ping too. But yet thats the thing, this will allow the divisions to have FUN. Playing WR vs Thunder is not fun what so ever, WR vs MVPz would be fun. I mean this isn't all about being competitive, its about bringing more people to play but having fun with teams of your own skill level. 475th vs WR isn't fun for them but for us it would be fun. Wildi vs 475th would be fun for wildi. I know the europens would just stomp on us in middle with High ping so it would only be fun for them. DCN is the league you can play with SA as wil ESL. I think this only makes since to have a middle, also not have SA's be in our leagues.
Once again, I was referring to blackhawk trying to play with 200 ping, not anyone else. It's not easier by the way, you were probably playing baddies, if they're any good, it's not easier by any means. Half of what you said is just no.nugz` wrote:nomis wrote:If YOU played with 200 ping, you'd probably struggle to drop a dougbomb(5), honestly, you're thinking it gives a huge advantage to the ones with high ping, not the case at all. Sorry, don't want to start an argument about high ping and shit, but blackhawk, you are just not thinking when you post.Black Hawk wrote:Thats the thing, we want to play competitively but not against people with 200+ ping. If you want to ruin a league thats how you would do so. No body likes playing against South Americans. Im sorry but its just crazy, If I had 200 ping Id be pretty good playing against people with 15-90 ping too. But yet thats the thing, this will allow the divisions to have FUN. Playing WR vs Thunder is not fun what so ever, WR vs MVPz would be fun. I mean this isn't all about being competitive, its about bringing more people to play but having fun with teams of your own skill level. 475th vs WR isn't fun for them but for us it would be fun. Wildi vs 475th would be fun for wildi. I know the europens would just stomp on us in middle with High ping so it would only be fun for them. DCN is the league you can play with SA as wil ESL. I think this only makes since to have a middle, also not have SA's be in our leagues.
not true. we played brazillians years ago in Cal when i was on beyond. we played 1st half on our server, 2nd half on a SA server. 200+ ping > 30 ping. it was much easier. basically you feel like you have godmode on the way nobody can hit you and the interp shots are nuts.
nomis wrote:Once again, I was referring to blackhawk trying to play with 200 ping, not anyone else. It's not easier by the way, you were probably playing baddies, if they're any good, it's not easier by any means. Half of what you said is just no.nugz` wrote:nomis wrote: If YOU played with 200 ping, you'd probably struggle to drop a dougbomb(5), honestly, you're thinking it gives a huge advantage to the ones with high ping, not the case at all. Sorry, don't want to start an argument about high ping and shit, but blackhawk, you are just not thinking when you post.
not true. we played brazillians years ago in Cal when i was on beyond. we played 1st half on our server, 2nd half on a SA server. 200+ ping > 30 ping. it was much easier. basically you feel like you have godmode on the way nobody can hit you and the interp shots are nuts.
That happens to me with people who have 30 ping. That argument doesn't hold much weight :/ceebz wrote:only thing that sucks is when on your screen your behind the wall but still get fragged -_-
cassinoroyale wrote:We can actually work on doing this, nugz. Gather up your mates and play against us in a brazilian server tonight. I defy you not punching your desktop table at least once when rodz or mazura consistently deliver shit on you way before you can see them. And don't worry: I will add an HLTV for rate checking purposes

sure, we can do it. i'm not sure if it would be tonight, tho. it is friday. if we get enough people on i wouldn't mind doing it.cassinoroyale wrote:We can actually work on doing this, nugz. Gather up your mates and play against us in a brazilian server tonight. I defy you not punching your desktop table at least once when rodz or mazura consistently deliver shit on you way before you can see them. And don't worry: I will add an HLTV for rate checking purposes
count me outnugz` wrote:sure, we can do it. i'm not sure if it would be tonight, tho. it is friday. if we get enough people on i wouldn't mind doing it.cassinoroyale wrote:We can actually work on doing this, nugz. Gather up your mates and play against us in a brazilian server tonight. I defy you not punching your desktop table at least once when rodz or mazura consistently deliver shit on you way before you can see them. And don't worry: I will add an HLTV for rate checking purposes
Black Hawk wrote:Ok here, and what if the SA's ruin dod and tpg even more?
Like kill tpg? What happens then? Why would you take a risk of half the teams wuiting TPG or even dod because we let some South Americans play like mr "Cassino" over there. To be honest hes the only European even involved in this besides linus and jee. Cassino I have no idea who you are so you can go ahead and not even say a word about me because ive never played with you. Ill be playing TPG so have fun with that Mr.Nobodyknowswhoyouare. Sorry stealth Im trying to get a point out that you dont quite understand, easier to say then type.

My thoughts exactly.nomis wrote:
What am I not understanding? That you don't like playing against South Americans so you are trying to make it sound like everybody has that problem? Sorry, you're just wrong. It has nothing to do with you typing it instead of saying it. It's. Just. Wrong.Black Hawk wrote:Sorry stealth Im trying to get a point out that you dont quite understand, easier to say then type.
Now your gettin uppity.ao_ wrote:Let the South American's drink from the same water fountain, they have just as much right.
Black Hawk wrote:Ok here, and what if the SA's ruin dod and tpg even more?
Like kill tpg? What happens then? Why would you take a risk of half the teams wuiting TPG or even dod because we let some South Americans play like mr "Cassino" over there. To be honest hes the only European even involved in this besides linus and jee. Cassino I have no idea who you are so you can go ahead and not even say a word about me because ive never played with you. Ill be playing TPG so have fun with that Mr.Nobodyknowswhoyouare. Sorry stealth Im trying to get a point out that you dont quite understand, easier to say then type.

Jezzz, first I LMAO'd then I showed this to a coleague who is just a Trekkie Ubergeek and we ROFL'ed like champs. That simple!nomis wrote: