Re: ESL

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:54 am

TPG deserves to stay. I think its the only reason why their is still competitve gaming on DOD. I was never a CAL-I player, but I was gaming back in the day when CAL was big and had alot of support from us, but at the same time TPG continued to live on. Narc has done a good job keeping everything going. Let's get TPG filled up because it has a decent website and all pas players are familar with it. ESL can be a goal for the future, if we can get an active group of say 20-30 teams every season I dont see why ESL is not in our forseable future.

on a side note I think AC should be treated alittle differently. Banning everyone isnt really going to help maybe just overturn matches and have a 1 match suspension, and after the second caught suspend for the season. Suspending like CAL did for a year duration isnt going to help anyone.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:08 am

if you guys are so damn active as a dod community and think you can support another league, which i think is NOT the case, why not just consider having 2 matches a week for tpg? sundays and ughhh wednesday or thursdays. 8 week season, 16 matches, 1 map a week.

i have skimmed over a small ammount of this thread quickly, and i pretty much agree that fronting like we are stable and active enough for a professional pay 2 play league is just straight up lying to ESL and ourselves and setting us up for yet another flop.

also, this community has far too many retards and immature idiots running around. and i of course include myself in that statement. we will somehow make a total ass out of ourselves if we somehow get any professional exposure, and i would not be too proud of being apart of a community that is represented by so many idiots if we were to all of the sudden have professional and mature expectations from a professional P2P league like ESL. that is why i think it's great the way things are. our community is its own little bubble and really have noone to look bad in front of except ourselves. there are no expectations. we talk shit. we are immature. tons of you cheat. we are unprofessional. we are governed and admin'd by players within the community, so there is very little disconnect between the people, and the higher ups running the show. teams die left and right, and new teams spring up left and right. I have been apart of the cal-p and cal-i CS scene in the past when online leagues and very huge and lucrative lan tournaments were at their peek, and i was an invite player when dod was at its peek in 2005. I don't bring that last part up to brag, but to show that i have a lot of experience being apart of a gaming community that has the stability, maturity, and ability to support professional type leagues and exposure. and i am telling you that currently, we are in no shape to handle it right now.

the efforts of people like hellfire and others are cool, but if you all really want to improve the quality of our community, we need to put work into our own league (TPG) and our own community before we go out and seek professional like exposure and assistance. help lerf and others with improving their map(s). try to get some of the very active players to play 1 less 12man a day and spend that time being a tpg admin and/or reviewing AC demos. people are already doing write ups and regular fotw's, which helps. help groom/teach/encourage new and younger players like stamp and blackhawk so that they can eventually develop into solid contributors of the community both skill wise and attitude wise. that is how the community will grow and that is how we will be strong enough to go to a professional league like CEVO or ESL and say "hey, look at us. we are WORTH YOUR TIME AND ENERGY" which right now we clearly are not worth their time and energy.

that being said, i still feel the game is past it's prime and i enjoy the very "part-time" and "casual" type of attitude we currently have. but if there are enough of you fraggers that want to take this shit seriously, i feel like i have given my opinion on how to successfully build towards that. but i like the way it is now. it's more of a past time that i still do for kicks when my schedule allows. /rant

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:19 am

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:20 am

You're serious aren't you? Not once when I played did I spout that this game was dead. I was playing, winning money, and crushing idiots like you and enjoying it. I quit to actually enjoy life and get off the computer, not because the game had died.

LOL who r u kidding track pants? What exactly does a fatty nerd life consist of? Trading pokemon cards or playing Secret of the mana. Btw I cant ever remember you smashing idiots or winning money, I dunno maybe I missed all of this. The only thing I can recall you smashing were hotcakes down your belly.

However I do find it funny you like to sit here and continuesly bitch about how dod is dead and how cool you are, yet your here everyday posting... Typical dod hater.

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:34 am

My brain is having a hard time computing Josh Brown hating on "typical DoD haters". What kind of paradox is this?!

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:40 am

Bring back TPG2, problem solved.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:43 am

Jb_ wrote:
You're serious aren't you? Not once when I played did I spout that this game was dead. I was playing, winning money, and crushing idiots like you and enjoying it. I quit to actually enjoy life and get off the computer, not because the game had died.

LOL who r u kidding track pants? What exactly does a fatty nerd life consist of? Trading pokemon cards or playing Secret of the mana. Btw I cant ever remember you smashing idiots or winning money, I dunno maybe I missed all of this. The only thing I can recall you smashing were hotcakes down your belly.

However I do find it funny you like to sit here and continuesly bitch about how dod is dead and how cool you are, yet your here everyday posting... Typical dod hater.

you were the coL.chaos of hb josh, fuck off. you know damn well that exigent was owning people and PK did the same afterwards. shouldn't you be taking it in the ass from your butt buddy hellfire or something anyways? or training with nepoleon dynamite's brother to become a cage fighter?

Wint0 · Post by **Wint0** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:45 am

Jb_ wrote:
You're serious aren't you? Not once when I played did I spout that this game was dead. I was playing, winning money, and crushing idiots like you and enjoying it. I quit to actually enjoy life and get off the computer, not because the game had died.

LOL who r u kidding track pants? What exactly does a fatty nerd life consist of? Trading pokemon cards or playing Secret of the mana. Btw I cant ever remember you smashing idiots or winning money, I dunno maybe I missed all of this. The only thing I can recall you smashing were hotcakes down your belly.

However I do find it funny you like to sit here and continuesly bitch about how dod is dead and how cool you are, yet your here everyday posting... Typical dod hater.

We won money at WSVG, at the tail end of the competitive scene, also in CEVO(i got cut before i actually got money, thank you jfrizz).

Wasn't it you that got smashed by deadbeat, at a computer gaming LAN?

"Typical dod hater" not even going to start on where you stand on this.

I was attacked for saying that I don't think this league has a big and active enough community to support 2 or even 3 match days. I don't play in DCN but I actually support the league and hope it prospers. You all fail horribly at reading comprehension.

sorry for posting my own god damn opinion that no one agrees with apparently. Probably the only thread that i've actually cared to read and respond to thus the reason i've posted so much in the last couple days.

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:51 am

joey harter laying down some hurtful words

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:51 am

sevEN wrote:
Jb_ wrote:
You're serious aren't you? Not once when I played did I spout that this game was dead. I was playing, winning money, and crushing idiots like you and enjoying it. I quit to actually enjoy life and get off the computer, not because the game had died.

LOL who r u kidding track pants? What exactly does a fatty nerd life consist of? Trading pokemon cards or playing Secret of the mana. Btw I cant ever remember you smashing idiots or winning money, I dunno maybe I missed all of this. The only thing I can recall you smashing were hotcakes down your belly.

However I do find it funny you like to sit here and continuesly bitch about how dod is dead and how cool you are, yet your here everyday posting... Typical dod hater.
you were the coL.chaos of hb josh, fuck off. you know damn well that exigent was owning people and PK did the same afterwards. shouldn't you be taking it in the ass from your butt buddy hellfire or something anyways? or training with nepoleon dynamite's brother to become a cage fighter?

haha shouldnt you be designing a new shoe for people who suffer from "kankle syndrome" you short fat fuck. Your one of those kids id love to get in front of all your little nerds friends online and bitch slap your ass so everyone knows just what kinda pussy you really are. Btw I was long gone before exigent or pk were doing anything. I dont even know who pk was and exigent had just started up as I left. So im sorry trackpants if I got some info wrong, I wasnt here to witness it. I find it really funny that you KIDS ONLINE think its funny to joke about someone cage fighting when your fatass couldnt even make it through a womans cardio kick boxing class. Btw I only just met hellfire a couple weeks ago, its way to soon to be taking it in the ass.

I know your suppose to be one of the "cool" kids here in the dod community bc your from cali and you wear big bright clothes to cover your big chubby gut, so im sure everyone will have your "e-back" but you and anyone else can go fuck themselves. Oh and trackpants I hope your just mad and making up bullshit about deadbeat bc anyone that was there will tell you what really happend, and he left with a black eye. BUt I could care less about bring up deadbeat bc I actually respect the guy.

lerfooled · Post by **lerfooled** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:04 pm

"Seriously, what in this community is running well and isn't on life support."

That's the only reason i posted in this thread. Yea, the community is smaller than before. However, that doesn't mean that it's dying or "dod is dead".

willeh · Post by **willeh** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:07 pm

CAL was a perfect league in regaurds to a few things

1) it was a working website - you could download maps, cfg's, crosshairs, ect, make teams easy, news was posted easy, reporting wins was easy, uploading ss's and demos was easy. you could actually talk to an admin when you wanted to via IRC for the most part.
2) it was free, other gamers would try out DoD and a few would get addicted to it, pub clans could participate ect.
3) it was in the same league as CS, and other top games which means could discover competetive play easier rather than going to a specific dod website.

IMO if cal did not die, dod would still be going with 30 teams in it.

CEVO on the other hand was poorly ran.
the admins were never around, they worked against the community. i remember downloading the first CFG for cevo and it still said CAL Config executed. not only that but you had to pay to play. even cevo CS was not as big as CAL.

forgive me if im wrong here all this new league offers to us is the same options that cal gave us.. options.

remember CAL supported games that had 10 teams playing too. i honestly think if we use this other league as our main league we will have a very slow first season, and then teams will start slowly joining.. i think there will be an increase in community activity however, i don't see dod getting as big as it was even when cevo was around.

we need some dedicated admins that will really make this new league a smooth running league. If we want it we should talk to the people who can make it happen and see what it will take.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:16 pm

Willeh 4 Prez

james- · Post by **james-** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Josh, I have really enjoyed reading your flames, it has made me lol a few times.

As for the rest of you fucking losers, l2flame.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:04 pm

Im still not sure what all the raging on winto is for. His original post was a well thought out and didnt contain anything that was a 100% position either way. All he was saying is that dod is dying, is pretty much brain dead if you compare it to 2005 and theres no reason to get pissed over that, we all know that.

motive · Post by **motive** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:42 pm

sevEN wrote:you were the coL.chaos of hb josh

whoA WHOA WHOA WAIT A SEC HERE greg conlon is a dod legend

i mean he had his own myspace fan page TOP THAT

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:50 pm

Stop saying the community can't support 2-3 leagues. That's not what anyone is suggesting, from my understanding. It's certainly not what has been mentioned by those trying to set this up from my discussions.

We're talking about potentially meshing TPG and ESL so there's one league. One. Not three, probably not even two, just one. Rwc has a lot of life shit going on, and for that reason he may not be able to handle the workload required to run TPG for a few months as he has stated in this thread.

Thus the idea would be to take TPG, and just transfer it to ESL. We'd be a part of a mainstream, professional, and well-recognized league and we'd still have our own admins.

You guys are arguing things that aren't really relevant to the project that is trying to be undertaken.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:54 pm

motive wrote:
sevEN wrote:you were the coL.chaos of hb josh
whoA WHOA WHOA WAIT A SEC HERE greg conlon is a dod legend

i mean he had his own myspace fan page TOP THAT

No motive he is correct, I am a dod legend. Thanks for proving my point fatty.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:09 pm

So now its about merging the 2? Why not say that first then? The reason you have this argument is the complete lack of a single goal being presented.

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:12 pm

I applaud sears for reopening this thread. Some epic stuff.... ESL was not expecting us to have 30+ teams.. From what I was told they were only expecting us to have about 10 or so with one division. When they found out we actually have 30 teams or so signed up on the TPG website (including SA teams) they were pretty impressed. The purpose of ESL is very similar to the purpose of DCN. Wanted a strong league, with a possible client, formidable admins, shorter seasons, and good map rotation.. RWC can be a tad stubborn at times(<3 you randy) so narc wanted to go on and try his own thing, completely understandable. A lot of people feel like I should be the Head admin to represent us in ESL, I still haven't decided on that yet because there are a ton of things to consider. My initial idea was to take the teams in TPG and just plug them into ESL, keeping the same admins, rules, ac, etc.. The TPG website itself can go down at any given time from what I was told. Narc and rwc can do everything needed to run the league, but they do not fund it nor can they get a hold of the webmaster. TPG season is coming to end which is why I feel that this "merger" could be perfect timing..

Narc · Post by **Narc** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:01 pm

ESL has not contacted me. I am waiting for my sit down.

willeh · Post by **willeh** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:54 pm

i still think there needs to be some more admins with some experience for this to work.

we need ac admins like, cypher.. ac admins that actually were ac admins at the time when the game was big and the competetion was high. im sure cypher could distinguish between a combination of high skill/lucky games and or just pure cheating. no offense to the current tpg admins either.. maybe some of these guys can teach the current ones. the ac admins also need to not hold grudges.

a good general manager i always thought ran the league well was insane. maybe we can collaborate and get a good league staff that's as unbiased as possible.

again im not bashing narcotic or rwc. i just dont remember them being admins from cpl05-cevo and i also dont know how they have been handeling tpg since ive been out for a year or two.. though from what i have been reading it looks like they could use some help.

willeh · Post by **willeh** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:57 pm

Narc wrote:ESL has not contacted me. I am waiting for my sit down.

hope you're joking but waiting for esl will not get us into esl. someone either representing 1911 who actually wants esl, or someone that the community agrees will be the head admin needs to contact esl find out what we need to do to get in the league and then post it.

i also would suggest using the TPG off season as a good place to get everything smoothed out on the ESL side, getting the dod section up and running with ESL Rules, Configs, Map rotations ect on there so theres no bugs. then i would give another 2 weeks off to let teams join ESL.

Miller` · Post by **Miller`** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:15 pm

I've sat out the discussion for some time, but I definitely come down on the less is more philosophy. Three, and even two, leagues people have to decide what is important. As the community gets older, more people have real lives (and see the sun for the first time) which requires cutting back the play-every-night-and-all-night gaming of college and younger. So some people would play TPG, some play DCN, some would play ESL. Few would play all three. Obviously that means less teams per league.

I love the ESL idea because it does share in a multi-gaming unit and based on conversations the website is pretty manageable.

TPG has been great the last two years or so, but moving things from TPG to ESL, and scrapping DCN after this season, may be the best long-term option if we can get any sort of guarantee that DOD wouldn't be dropped after, say, one season at ESL.

If you guys need any help, just lemme know.

Teapot_Dome · Post by **Teapot_Dome** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:50 pm

would ESL be someplace the pub clans could migrate too? if not, I'd prefer to just focus the community around TPG.

willeh · Post by **willeh** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:30 pm

of course pub clans could go over to esl. the only league that keeps pub clans from playing in it is cevo because you have to pay to play. and thats one of the things i think this community actually needs to reach out to is the pub clans. they are generally the newer players and the community has to take it upon themselves to show them esl and the competetive community.

to me esl is the next thing to cal.
you could make an invite and open just like in TPG.

Post by **Black Hawk** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:00 am

Pub Invite Lower division in ESL.

Narc · Post by **Narc** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:28 am

Yes my post about the sitdown was a joke. From what I gather, we already have a spokesperson talking to ESL and have already made a list of possible admins. These people have contacted and talked with me and asked for help/insight. I support this move 100% and if I can do anything to help make it happen, or keep it going I will. I am just waiting for the "meeting of the minds" to be setup.

As for all this ac and admins being qualified enough, is sorta a joke. I honestly feel RWC, Myself, and the TPG/DCN ac are more then capable of handling this community. The more experienced ac the better. Some of you think the ac hold grudges or even have the power to ban. This is not true, Only RWC and Myself can make that call. Everydemo gets watched reguardless what certian people think or claim. You say ben made a good admin, well some background on that, I was Cal-invite, head admin at one time. I needed an assistant. I hired Ben as my main dude. When I left he was the best choice to take my spot. So to answer your question, I feel I do have the experience in being an admin, and picking a decent staff. I am not corrupt. I am fair across the board. I dont take sides its all about the rules and being fair. Players on the wrong end of a decision will always call corrupt. All I know is RWC and myself have been doing our best since becoming admins. And I honestly feel we did a good job trying to keep the league fun and alive. We dont get paid to do it, and I think the only payment we get is being bashed on 1911 when we make a decision someone dont like. Thats expected though. So I dont agree with the comment about more experienced admins or ac. Sure we could use more active ac but the ones we do have dont get paid and still watch them. If we have more players that want to watch demos and give thier opinions. Im all for it. I am not sure where I am going to be next season. I really dont want to do DCN for another season. I dont even know if TPG will be given to me nor do I know what ESL will offer. So I maybe an "out of work" admin soon. Hitting up the soup lines. All I do know is that I will support anymove this community makes and If I am needed I will do my part.

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:07 am

I've been part of TPG administration since season 22 and I couldn't get more happier to see how things developed since then. Like I said on hellfire's previous thread perhaps this ESL movement will likely to be something that actually CAN make bring lights for this eleven year game again. I think the currently admins are more than capable of carrying this league with both maturity and competence.

I also wish that TPG could also stay active as a safe haven if at some point ESL just abandon the league for any reason.

stile · Post by **stile** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:32 am

Are you all assuming that transferring to this new league will bring back old teams? DoD has a league.. TPG. Some new flashy league isn't going to bring anyone back. DoD is dying slowly. Stop living in a fantasy.. Your dreams of becoming a pro gamer aren't going to come true.

Does TPG have some problems? Sure. Every league does. All that really needs to be done is move up the 2 finalists from Lower/SA division. Leave the lower division for the pubclans and create a deeper Upper division. Also, having a shorter season, and letting the seeds carry over to the next season.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:34 am

Jb_ wrote:
sevEN wrote:
Jb_ wrote:
LOL who r u kidding track pants? What exactly does a fatty nerd life consist of? Trading pokemon cards or playing Secret of the mana. Btw I cant ever remember you smashing idiots or winning money, I dunno maybe I missed all of this. The only thing I can recall you smashing were hotcakes down your belly.

However I do find it funny you like to sit here and continuesly bitch about how dod is dead and how cool you are, yet your here everyday posting... Typical dod hater.
you were the coL.chaos of hb josh, fuck off. you know damn well that exigent was owning people and PK did the same afterwards. shouldn't you be taking it in the ass from your butt buddy hellfire or something anyways? or training with nepoleon dynamite's brother to become a cage fighter?
haha shouldnt you be designing a new shoe for people who suffer from "kankle syndrome" you short fat fuck. Your one of those kids id love to get in front of all your little nerds friends online and bitch slap your ass so everyone knows just what kinda pussy you really are. Btw I was long gone before exigent or pk were doing anything. I dont even know who pk was and exigent had just started up as I left. So im sorry trackpants if I got some info wrong, I wasnt here to witness it. I find it really funny that you KIDS ONLINE think its funny to joke about someone cage fighting when your fatass couldnt even make it through a womans cardio kick boxing class. Btw I only just met hellfire a couple weeks ago, its way to soon to be taking it in the ass.

I know your suppose to be one of the "cool" kids here in the dod community bc your from cali and you wear big bright clothes to cover your big chubby gut, so im sure everyone will have your "e-back" but you and anyone else can go fuck themselves. Oh and trackpants I hope your just mad and making up bullshit about deadbeat bc anyone that was there will tell you what really happend, and he left with a black eye. BUt I could care less about bring up deadbeat bc I actually respect the guy.

LOL kankles? lets get something straight. i am in much better shape than you josh. but i dont sit around hitting and kicking punching bags all day, so im not going to front like im some kind of badass fighter... who even knows wtf kind of training you do. for all we know, you just bought some head gear from big5 and throw it on with your buddy from work and slap each other around and call yourself a "fighter". but unlike you, i am not an ignorant fuck and i am not going to speak on matters i dont really know about. and the fact you go around talking shit on everyone elses personal appearances over dod related arguments shows how much self esteem you really have. you must know how much of a piece of shit you are. and dont act like you werent around before 2005 cpl to see exigent raping teams. you were gone by the time PK was around but your boy rubel had joined them and they were raping too.

anyways, keep making your personal attacks on mine and everyone elses appearance from 4-5 years ago.. i really don't give a shit. you really know nothing about anything you talk about. all i know is that from the second i picked this game up you always sucked balls, and you are not legendary for anything other than being a huge faggot and being the worst player ever allowed to use the KAR.

inb4moreirlthreats.

stile · Post by **stile** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:42 am

sevEN wrote:LOL kankles? lets get something straight. i am in much better shape than you josh.

sevEN wrote:i am not going to speak on matters i dont really know about.

just sayin

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:45 am

stile wrote:
sevEN wrote:LOL kankles? lets get something straight. i am in much better shape than you josh.

sevEN wrote:i am not going to speak on matters i dont really know about.
just sayin

that is confidence in my own shape. i may be wrong, but i doubt it. and to argue with someone like him, its hard not to lower yourself to his level. but in general i do not go around attacking people's physical flaws in a malicious manner for absolutely no reason like he does. saying i am in better shape isn't even an attack on him. so it is much different.

stile · Post by **stile** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:54 am

i'm glad that was cleared up. although ziggy might disagree.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:06 pm

i dont call him fat. plus, his alias is ziggyfat lol. he sort of opens himself up for playful jabs the same way jfent does with the way he calls himself fat all the time.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:56 pm

I dont think ive attacked anyone elses appearances but yours tubby. Have you all the sudden hit a growth spurt and got an athletic build? You're still a turd my friend and always will be. Sure pull out the low self esteem card, I havent seen or heard that one before. I mean if you really think I got some kinda issues with myself you can just friend me on the ole fb and see that my life is quite normal and I have plenty of friends according to fb. So I dont think its self esteem issues. I just think your a huge tool and im sorry if you dont like it but I dont give a flying fuck. btw I think exigent places like 12th at cpl 05 so wtf r u talking about? And yeh I dont know pk. Oh and I had to laugh out loud at you being in better shape then me. I hope thats an e-joke. If you can get in a ring and go 3x5 min rounds then yeh you might be in better shape then me.

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:59 pm

exigent dominated.... online. when me and JSIMP were laying it down

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:08 pm

toxinatoR wrote:exigent dominated.... online. when me and JSIMP were laying it down

I know you didnt make it to that cpl, but you must admit they did a complete 180 on lan.

Teapot_Dome · Post by **Teapot_Dome** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:52 pm

facebook is a measuring stick for one's life? i thought it was for stalking girls.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:29 pm

Jb_ wrote:I dont think ive attacked anyone elses appearances but yours tubby. Have you all the sudden hit a growth spurt and got an athletic build? You're still a turd my friend and always will be. Sure pull out the low self esteem card, I havent seen or heard that one before. I mean if you really think I got some kinda issues with myself you can just friend me on the ole fb and see that my life is quite normal and I have plenty of friends according to fb. So I dont think its self esteem issues. I just think your a huge tool and im sorry if you dont like it but I dont give a flying fuck. btw I think exigent places like 12th at cpl 05 so wtf r u talking about? And yeh I dont know pk. Oh and I had to laugh out loud at you being in better shape then me. I hope thats an e-joke. If you can get in a ring and go 3x5 min rounds then yeh you might be in better shape then me.

you have been attacking wint0's appearance and calling him names every chance you get. and you have never met me, or seen pics of me, and are probably going off outdated word of mouth or outdated pictures. either way, i dont give a shit what you think about me. and i wonder why you have seen the low self esteem card so many times before.. maybe because you strongly give off the vibe that you need to put everyone else down to make yourself feel better? could it be that? and did you really just try to throw your facebook at me to show me how many friends you have and how normal you are?

Jb_ wrote:I have plenty of friends according to fb

^^ i fucking lol'd.

i dont care if you think i'm a tool, just like im sure you dont care that i think you're an even bigger tool. and exigent flopped on lan, so if it was strictly a lan discussion, it would be tough to defend that particular team. but i played brian and PK at the next cpl and they were insane. but, we werent having a lan only discussion, because it all stemmed from wint0's comment "I was playing, winning money, and crushing idiots like you and enjoying it." he WAS playing, he DID win money w/ PK, and he DID crush idiots like lerf [online with exi and on lan with PK] and he DID enjoy it. so, a lan discussion is a whole different can of worms, as it usually is. and once again with this boxing shit... have you even fought a real fight before? do you have a record? or like i said, do you just frequent your local gym and spar with your friend who is in equally average shape? anyways, this is getting ridiculous. i need to man the grill now, this steak is not going to cook itself. have fun with your legendary dod status, your friendship filled facebook glory, and heavyweight UFC championship defense.

lerfooled · Post by **lerfooled** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:41 pm

i never lanned.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:02 pm

the whole facebook thing was clearly a joke, I guess I need to hint at sarcasm a bit more. You really dont know me to well, most people who do, know im just being a smartass esp about being a dod legend as I stated earlier. This whole ufc thing I dunno where you even got it from, you kinda just brought that out of left field. As for your anwer yes I have a record, and I have a fight coming up in september. 5-2 ammy record. Yeh I know im not anything special but its a little more then going to the gym and looking at people. Btw i know exactly the kinda person you are, and I just dont care for you. End of story.

Wint0 · Post by **Wint0** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:13 pm

Jb_ wrote:I mean if you really think I got some kinda issues with myself you can just friend me on the ole fb and see that my life is quite normal and I have plenty of friends according to fb. So I dont think its self esteem issues. I just think your a huge tool and im sorry if you dont like it but I dont give a flying fuck.

This was sarcasm? I have read, re-read, closed my browser, re-read it again, copied and pasted, and now quoting this statement. and I STILL can't find the sarcasm.

For the love of god, grow up. Hope someone knocks some sense into you. Done with this part of the thread.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:49 pm

Wint0 wrote:
Jb_ wrote:I mean if you really think I got some kinda issues with myself you can just friend me on the ole fb and see that my life is quite normal and I have plenty of friends according to fb. So I dont think its self esteem issues. I just think your a huge tool and im sorry if you dont like it but I dont give a flying fuck.
This was sarcasm? I have read, re-read, closed my browser, re-read it again, copied and pasted, and now quoting this statement. and I STILL can't find the sarcasm.

For the love of god, grow up. Hope someone knocks some sense into you. Done with this part of the thread.

Doesnt it sound a little corny to compare how cool I am to facebook? I did it as a joke, but thats ok you go ahead and believe what you want. Either way the end of the day both of u r 2 chubbs in a pod. So whats the point in arguing.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:57 pm

[DoD4ESL]

hellfire · Post by **hellfire** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:58 pm

Lock this thread until I have more info please Mr.Sears

rymoz · Post by **rymoz** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:46 pm

u are 1 ****ing cheeky kunt mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with muscles lol ****in sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil gay boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum bodybuildin website that 1 of your faverite places to look at men u lil ****in gay boy fone me if u got da balls cheeky prick see if u can step up lil queer

`NG · Post by **`NG** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:13 pm

and then that happened.

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:17 pm

oh ryan, you're perfect.