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looking for a new mouse any suggestions?
my mx518's mouse wheel just caved in, so i need to go out and purchase a new one. I have used the razer deathadder series did not like them to much.

Logitech is pretty good about sending you a new mouse if you just complain to them that your old one broke. I got a g500 out of it

you can probably get them to send you a new one if you complain long enough and saying stuff you are disappoined about the product quality and are never going to buy a logitech mouse again, however you play this i got a roccat mouse and i am pretty satisfied with it (german engenering)

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i feel like that mouse would kill me in my sleep

I would just get the newer named MX518(g400 or g500?). Not that you would care, since TPG is all serious and stuff, but it would take you a bit to get used to a new mouse. It will screw up your game.

i just(2 weeks ago) lost my mouse in a freak beer case in the back of a trunk mishap aswell. really lost for words since they dont make the intelli mouse 3.0 anymore. i've tried death adder(p0s) thinking about steelseries xai... anyone tried it>>???

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I'd like to try a roccat, I gotta say I killed the r.a.t. 7 (same as the r.a.t. 9 'cept not wireless) inside of 2 weeks

maybe this'll help?

Microsoft Intellipoint 3.0 optical 5 button wired



This mouse is the gold standard of all time for
dependability. After wearing holes in the plastic below the
for and aft thumb buttons from nearly a decade of frantic
mayhem and what must have been thousands of hours and
kagillions of clicks, I retired it to storage. It remains a
sentimental object of nostalgia in perfect working order.
It's funny, they offer a 1 year parts and labor warranty; I
wonder if it's ever been used.


AOpen O-35G optical 5 button dual scroll wired



Back in the day I thought this could be a cool alternative to
the standard ms intellipoint. It has 2 scrolls ! Just think of the
possibilities ! Actually, let's talk about the reality.
I tried AOpen, I really did. The O-35g is the worst mouse
I've ever unpackaged; hands down. "Notable features:
silver and blue design" LOL
One issue was a thumb button on each side of the chassis.
One has to hold onto the chassis w/ out worrying about
hitting a back button with every hand movement.
Clicks often didnt register during mundane desktop tasks,
let alone actual gaming. I never got over these design
setbacks to explore the possibilities of the second scroll.
My impression was that the scrolls were one input simply
doubled-up for decoration. Superfluous. Its an odd one.

Logitec M510 optical 5 button wireless



I have 3 of these. I think they are wonderful. They have a feel
to them like a broken in old ms intellimouse (a bit deeper in
the chassis hollows, very sure). My reservations were
battery longevity and wireless fidelity. Much of the weight is
comprised of the 2 AA batteries. I left mine on 24/7 and
months rolled by before any changeout was required.
Batteries: not an issue. Never once did I experience signal
loss or interuption while gaming with this wireless mouse.
It is delightful. While my reservations about it's performance
were without merit, I remained paranoid enough to
relegate these mouse to back ups or on the other machines
that I don't primarily game w/. A very good mouse for about
the same money as the old ms intellipoint. Ergo ++


Saitek/MadCatz Cyborg R.A.T. 7 optical 7 button wired



Looks serious. Has customizable weights . Optional spares
of pinky and palm rests. Comes with a metal tin of
hardware parts and tools to make it your own. Every
dimension is adjustable 5 ways to Sunday. You get the
impression it was fabricated in a post apocalyptic
cyberpunk machine shop.
I tried running the thumb section fully extended (my hands
are large). The design didn't afford it enough torque and
tension to suffer me squeezing it. It simply folded every time
I adjusted it and so that's how I had to run it.
I assigned mumble talk to the scroll button, that would
cause me to change rooms.
I assigned mumble talk to the back thumb button, that wore
to inoperability inside of 2 weeks.
I assigned mumble talk to the forward button, week and a
half = kaput.
I returned it to the Best Buy where it was purchased well
before the ruturn policy of 30 days expired for a full refund.
Maybe my hand strength is extraordinarily high and I talk
too much in mumble. Maybe this mouse shows a lot of
promise and fails to deliver the performance that it's
aesthetics inicate. I will say the whole thumb-stalk, from the
plate-rod to the for-back buttons needs to be addressed for
durability. I didn't expect this mouse to come up weak,it
looks rock solid. But it dissappoints.


Razer Lachesis 5600 optical 5 button amidextrous (!) wired



There is a set of for/back thumb buttons on both sides of
the symetrical chassis to afford lefty or righty use. While
one side is active the set on the other side is off. So there
are no issues with hitting the wrong sides,eg, AOpen's
O-35g. This mouses tracking is like 8 times faster than any
typical optical mouse. It polls @ 1000hz. The wheel is fine
attenuated with 24 individual click positions. It has an up
and down sensitivity adjustment buttons just behind the
scroll, which is ridiculously convenient. The only complaints
that I have, and they are real pickles, is the following:
-Because it's symetrical for the purpose of being
amidextrous the resulting shape of the chassis is narrow
toward the palm and wide at the finger tips. You get the
feeling that it's laterally "tippy". In fact I will say that it is
"tippy".
-Theres not enough space under the thumb buttons to get a
good feeling solid grip on the skinny chassis w/out
inadvertently hitting a for/back button on occasion. Which
causes a tendency to hold it too gingerly.
Bottomline is that it outperforms most of what I've used but
has ergo-issues because it tries to satisfy right and left
handedness as a main design goal.

I killed the lachesis one month ago. The problem with it was it lost the usb every few minutes out of the blue one night and became unusable ("ba-dong ba-dum" new device etc.)

I replaced it with the razer naga. It's distingishing characteristic is 12 extra thumb buttons. You can map 'em either to the number key row on the top of the keyboard, or the number pad.
I bind so much shit now.


One drawback is there's no on-the-fly sensitivty adjustment. I just had to adjust in-game and commit.

Hope this has been helpful

taylu_b wrote:looking for a new mouse any suggestions?
my mx518's mouse wheel just caved in, so i need to go out and purchase a new one. I have used the razer deathadder series did not like them to much.

Over the years I've used the MS intelli mouse 1.0, Mx510, Razer Diamondback and Razer Deathadder. A buddy of mine that plays a lot of CS uses a zowie mouse, I've also heard good things about the steel series mice.

Really it doesn't matter its just what you're used to.

Good luck

when i was in hong kong, i picked up this random mouse that had pretty good specs and was very similar to my old logitech. rapoo is the brand, i have a rapoo v3. ive been extremely happy with it, and its at least half the price of an identical logitech mouse. it was $50-60, although i did buy it in hong kong at an electronics market.

sounds really sketchy but it is a really good mouse. might read some reviews on it. just throwing that out there.

I use the Logitech g500 myself, I have no complaints.

I use the steelseries kinzu , not my favorite mouse that ive ever used, its a solid mouse but, id highly advise you to look at the IME 3.0 and the 1.1 Optical , both Micrsoft mice deliver. If your looking for a new modern mouse, look into Zowie Gear's EC series both mice have a solid feel if you have larger hands and like the palm grip. The only difference between the zowie mice is the default DPI is 500 not the average 400. I pretty much bought the kinzu because i was looking for a more affordable mouse instead of the xai , its smaller and is just not what is natural for my hand size. I have never been a fan of gaming mice by logitech sorry guys, had the Logitech G5 laser mouse and just couldn't get a solid feel for it and have tried the mx518 which feels disgusting in dod to me personally. and i dont know if it really helps but i use a higher sensitivity with my kinzu than i did with my IME 3.0, i was never really sure if some mice were better tracking with a lower sensitivity than others.

518, 3.0 or deathadder

or 1.1 intelli

Who needs a mouse? Get real and use touchpad, fuck.

OnT: Go to a store and try the mices wich ones feels best in your hand.

lerfooled wrote:i just(2 weeks ago) lost my mouse in a freak beer case in the back of a trunk mishap aswell. really lost for words since they dont make the intelli mouse 3.0 anymore. i've tried death adder(p0s) thinking about steelseries xai... anyone tried it>>???

i used the intelli's for yeaaarrrrsssss and loved them. when mine finally died it took me forever to get used to the logitech 518.

love my deathadder

I still have an mx518 that is on its last leg...

I will not be a happy camper when it fully breaks. My mouse wheel already doesn't work half the time, so I changed my weapon scrolling to my keyboard.

logitech will no longer replace shit when you complain unless its under there warrenty now. i called awhile back and went through it with a rather nice fellow, who looked it up found evidence to support my claims that logitech always replaced bad peripherals regardless of age, and then was told by a supervisor that they changed that unofficial policy and no longer do it. he gave me 40% of anything at the logitech store.

also, i had a 518 till it died, got a g400 now. its a nice mouse, feels just like the 518 and responds pretty similar. its a little more responsive, so you will have to lower all your sens by a point or 2.

OKAY so this just happened. I walked into best buy and looked at their selection... so there i am staring at the fucking cyborg's 150 dollar price tag thinking what the hell lets just get it over with im just going to buy it anyways. I walk out to my car cant wait to feel this fucking ridiculous looking thing and I noticed the tape was already cut open i then pick at the box to pull the plastic shit out and what do i see? a fucking cheap Logitech mouse crammed in the box... evidently somebody pulled a fast one on best buy so i walk back inside and the lady calls me a thief in so many words before she got the floor manager when he shows up he said "how do we know that your friend wasn't in here to buy the first one"

taylu_b wrote:OKAY so this just happened. I walked into best buy and looked at their selection... so there i am staring at the fucking cyborg's 150 dollar price tag thinking what the hell lets just get it over with im just going to buy it anyways. I walk out to my car cant wait to feel this fucking ridiculous looking thing and I noticed the tape was already cut open i then pick at the box to pull the plastic shit out and what do i see? a fucking cheap Logitech mouse crammed in the box... evidently somebody pulled a fast one on best buy so i walk back inside and the lady calls me a thief in so many words before she got the floor manager when he shows up he said "how do we know that your friend wasn't in here to buy the first one"

fucking wow.

OKAY so this just happened. I walked into best buy and looked at their selection... so there i am staring at the fucking cyborg's 150 dollar price tag thinking what the hell lets just get it over with im just going to buy it anyways. I walk out to my car cant wait to feel this fucking ridiculous looking thing and I noticed the tape was already cut open i then pick at the box to pull the plastic shit out and what do i see? a fucking cheap Logitech mouse crammed in the box... evidently somebody pulled a fast one on best buy so i walk back inside and the lady calls me a thief in so many words before she got the floor manager when he shows up he said "how do we know that your friend wasn't in here to buy the first one"

That sucks for you, but really I don't blame them at all. There really isn't anything else they can do other than be skeptical, expecially in a world this shitty.

Probably part of the reason BestBuy is in financial trouble.

thats why you check packages of everything before you buy anything in a retail store. shit like that happens all the fucking time.

ive gotten stuff from home depot that the home depot people resealed after a return that was an old fan. like... 10+ year old ceiling fan. dusty, dirty, covered in paint. they didnt even look, they just tapped the box shut and put it on clearance. made those fuckers give us a new fan that cost 140 for 60 dollars.

CharlieGiteau wrote:Probably part of the reason BestBuy is in financial trouble.

This is generally a myth. The customer always thinks that they matter and are "sticking it" to a company like Best Buy. The reality is we all mean nothing individually and other companies are driving away people as well, so it's merely a wash.

You don't have to actually have good customer service. You just have to match your industry to stem loss of market share. Most competitors have an unspoken agreement if you will.

Look at Valve. Their customer service and support is nothing short of pathetic, yet they are considered the "best".

Best Buy is in trouble for the same reason blockbuster was in trouble. Brick and mortar stores have too much overhead to compete with online stores like newegg or amazon. Throw in a steep recession where people are trading down brands and putting off these type of purchases entirely and they have no where to go but down. Expecially given that the younger generation is the hardest hit...and most likely to buy computer products.

unpro wrote:thats why you check packages of everything before you buy anything in a retail store. shit like that happens all the fucking time.

ive gotten stuff from home depot that the home depot people resealed after a return that was an old fan. like... 10+ year old ceiling fan. dusty, dirty, covered in paint. they didnt even look, they just tapped the box shut and put it on clearance. made those fuckers give us a new fan that cost 140 for 60 dollars.

That's what happens when you pay your employees minimum wage with little hope for merit based raises or promotion. I'm not so sure I'd go out of the way to check the box for them when someone returned an item either~

lets put it this way, when returns(there in the system based on the SKU as returned items) are handled by your register and group, your job is held accountable for the inventory and material you put back on the shelf's.

pay and work ethic sometimes go hand in hand, and the work ethic in this country is starting to go down the shitter.

pay and work ethic sometimes go hand in hand

Sometimes. But very rarely in today's shitty service economy and job market.

If you're a secreatary, you're going to get a secretary pay. It doesn't matter how fast you sort the mail or if you answer 2 extra e-mails. When I worked maintenance, I worked my ass off SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the rest of the staff when we had to paint, cut grass, or snow shovel...and they all made more than me and I never got a raise more than some slap in the face $.25......if I knew then what I know now, I would not have put one modicum of effort in for that company.

I haven't worked retail/service type jobs, but I'd wager if you work your ass off and there's some lazy pos who doesn't give a rats ass, you'll both be making the same. What's the motivation to seperate yourself from others in a deadend position other than personal pride?

and the work ethic in this country is starting to go down the shitter.

I don't buy the whole walking up icey hills both ways for a second.

Today, competition is fierce for good jobs. I literally had to spend 5 years in college and pass one of the hardest exams in the world.....by going into debt...to have a CHANCE to get one of the few safe career types jobs left. People who don't have the means or ability to do something like this can't just walk into a factory, get a good job, and live a normal life like the older generation could. Literally...all those people did was graduate high school and walk into a career. No effort required. Just like kids today who walk out and don't put effort in....but the difference is there's no golden career sitting on a silver platter protected by unions that made it impossible to get fired. Are they "lazier"? Not really, they just don't have the same opportunity.

"kids these days are lazy" is and will always be a load of bullshit. If someone is going to say kids are lazy, then they're going to have to acknowledge that kids have ALWAYS been lazy. The world has just changed. And the idea that the U.s has gone downhill because of this generation is absurd...considering we are all too young to have had anything but the smallest of impacts...we aren't even in positions of authority....that would be X, Y, and the worst of them all...the boomers.

Note, I'm not ranting at you per say. I've just heard this so many times from older folks and it's unbearable to listen to.

from a guy whos worked retail/food his whole life outside of construction, the work ethic of our generation on average is worse than our parents. they want to get paid to sit on there ass and talk on there phone, leave when they want, come in late every day(or just call off 10 minutes before they are supposed to be there) and then not do even have the job required when they are there. its fucking pathetic.

BK was easy as shit. i got thrown into the drive through by myself on a friday my very first night working ever in fast food. it took me less than an hour to be as good as the guy i replaced. people who had been there for 6months+ did less work than i did, and knew less than i did about the job in under 2 days. the store manager tried to promote me within a week(fuck that, denied) i didnt even work that hard, i half assed my job 90% of the time. when i can half ass my job, and get fired 3 times and almost rehired a 4th time, that should tell you something about the current state of affairs in regards to the work ethic the kids coming out of HS have.

i would basically tell my managers to fuck themselves, and i got rehired. why? because no one else they tried to hire would work even remotely well. they wanted to take 50 breaks a shift, not clean, not stock, not accept the fact that sometimes you have to bag food or take out the trash. shits fucking pathetic man. maybe in the middle class range its not so bad, but down here at entry level poverty, its fucking sad.

intelli 1.1/3.0

they no longer make the 518. the g400 is its direct replacement. same body, new optical engine.

I'm sure you can find another 518 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-MX518- ... 4155c7f2af

I use a pretty standard pos http://compare.ebay.com/like/1107966154 ... s&var=sbar

ThatsRight wrote:

unpro wrote:thats why you check packages of everything before you buy anything in a retail store. shit like that happens all the fucking time.

ive gotten stuff from home depot that the home depot people resealed after a return that was an old fan. like... 10+ year old ceiling fan. dusty, dirty, covered in paint. they didnt even look, they just tapped the box shut and put it on clearance. made those fuckers give us a new fan that cost 140 for 60 dollars.

That's what happens when you pay your employees minimum wage with little hope for merit based raises or promotion. I'm not so sure I'd go out of the way to check the box for them when someone returned an item either~

Like I said earlier, I returned a R.A.T. 7 to best buy after wearing it out for a full return. The fore and aft thumb buttons were toast and the thumb adjustment outboard was tired to the point of stripped collapse. I returned it complete with all the spare parts, the tins, the tools, the piles of goodies and paraphernalia that come boxed with it. I know full well they put that pristine box right back on the shelf in the store for sale. They refuse to suffer the loss, however unconscionable it is to re-sell it.

Had the 518, it stopped responding to left clicking intermittently during a scrim with dgf and jaz owned me. Decided I would never let that happen again and been happy with G500.

jaz owned me

Damn....

But, then again, it has been 4 years, maybe she has figured out what the WASD keys do by now.

from a guy whos worked retail/food his whole life outside of construction, the work ethic of our generation on average is worse than our parents. they want to get paid to sit on there ass and talk on there phone, leave when they want, come in late every day(or just call off 10 minutes before they are supposed to be there) and then not do even have the job required when they are there. its fucking pathetic.

You're probably right. But I have a hard time believing that in 1965 the minimum wage worker at a pizza shop or a store gave a shit either. Maybe they were all smiley, didn't come in drunk/stoned, and showed up and did their job. But maybe they didn't.

I just saw this in action the other day. I had a 11 hour day slaving away at the coal mines, and I stop in to get a hot and ready pizza from Little Ceasars. The 2 staff in there are full of tattoos and the guy looked like he had not showered in this new year yet. They had everything packed away 45 minutes early....and my hot and "ready" wasn't ready for 15 minutes....I get home and it's not even finished. I would have rather waited a few more minutes to get something actually edible. That's the last time I will ever go there for food. They also gave a guy his food without him paying, and they only found out after he told them he hadn't paid yet.

just get another 518...ive had mine for 7 years

Same. I've been very happy with this.

I like my deathadder

I have a logitech g9.. no complaints

g500 here, max weighted. fits in my big mitts like a boss. went from the 518 to the g5 to the g500. practically the same hand design. got used to it very easily. would recommend.

hildebrand wrote:g500 here, max weighted. fits in my big mitts like a boss. went from the 518 to the g5 to the g500. practically the same hand design. got used to it very easily. would recommend.

always loved the g5 and then mine was going out. they discontinued it and i could never get used to the 500, so i ended up finding a backup on ebay. some people still love the g500 i just couldnt get used to it

ceebz wrote:Zowie EC-1 Black

Obviously you should go with this. It allows you to have immaculate recoil that nobody will ever question when it gets put into a video of some sort.

stealthlol wrote:

ceebz wrote:Zowie EC-1 Black

Obviously you should go with this. It allows you to have immaculate recoil that nobody will ever question when it gets put into a video of some sort.

damn straight

well i got it and i can honestly say its the most difficult thing to hold i don't think ill ever get used to this bat mobile.

Looks like you stole Robocops hand. That thing is huge!

That thing looks ugly as shit. I just ordered a g400 the other day because I don't want to have to get used to something like that. I actually posted in this thread and then my mouse broke. FML.

cyborg was the worst and most expensive mistake i have ever made... i have some extra cash looking for something that feels like a mx518/deathadder i want that hump that fills up your palm

g400. It is the mx518. I had an easy transition when I bought this mouse shortly after you made this thread originally.


Also; I didn't know ThatsRight was banned until you bumped this thread.

im going to check out this g400 i have faith in you, thanks man