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Someone school me on European DoD, i've never really paid attention to their stuff, since way back in the day.

Last night on 1080p's quest for practice we were asked to play by a euro team, all from Spain, i believe. Their pings were in the 150s so it seemed like it would be better than playing SA's. Once we started playing we realized they play completely different. None of them stopped moving forward ever, they just run around spraying their autos and flick shotting with rifles. Then they started making fun of us for playing so slow and camping and couldn't believe this is how north americans played and were bragging euros were way more skilled (while we were beating them.)

Has it always been like this? Why are they entirely too aggressive? How did Euro play style evolve so differently than ours.

ive always heard it to be the other way around. NA dod - aggressive, EURO dod - slowplay

need to tell these Spaniards to come and play!

I gathered up a USA/SA pug to play in a some euro cups and from that experience I can guarantee you that:

1) Since they barelly request evidence after matches (when they do its basically pov's no screenshots lol), it has been reported on their forum that there are many people blatantly cheating in scrims (pcw's); 2) Even with different rosters we pretty much rolled every best team of their actual scenario, so I don't think they're that better. We beat blank's team (kalle carlund) twice even with him cheating his balls off in both matches; 3) There are only 2 good and reliable teams currently playing in the euro scene, one is the german Renamed and the other are the frenchs of SSEM. They never fuck around in matches and never start mm1 rages; 4) They have corrupted admins who ban people out of the blue or change rules to benefit their teams. The only reliable is Tykari but he is alone. I was talking with RWC/Narc some time ago about creating an "worldwide division" since the pings are similar (especially if played in a UK server) but they went so arrogant that I quickly changed my mind about it.

The thing about euros is that just because they once had the best competitive scene as far as skill and organization were concerned they still think they are ahead of the curve in DoD. Most of them don't accept the fact of losing to laggy americans, making some matches either really boring or a pain to play due to the most crazy wallshots ever seen. We still play against them only because we find their cups format (single elimination bracket) very entertaining to play (I think we should go back to this topic and do our version of it, right jarednatoR?). Overalll they're slowling dying and and in all seriousness I'd let them rot but I have to admit that spanking their teams is hell of fun.

To sum all up if you still have interest on playing against them, I suggest you going to:

http://www.zpgaming.eu/ (dod section)
http://www.enemydown.co.uk/ (dod cups website, team registration, schedule, etc)

Fucking turtz.

The thing about euros is that just because they once had the best competitive scene as far as skill and organization were concerned they still think they are ahead of the curve in DoD.

Which euro team won cpl? And I still feel like I heard diddly squat when animal, steve, and zoanth did attend that one cpl...

I would like to setup our own tournaments on opposites sundays.. I need ricky to maybe give me access to the STA site to do so.

Just an idea, we've switched #scrimdods over to Quakenet where the euros are. Maybe #scrimdod will work over there where you can share idlers. Over there you'd have NA source / NA 1.3 / euro source / euro 1.3 possibly sharing idlers. That is of course if europeans have a channel for 1.3. I couldn't find it though.

pande wrote:Just an idea, we've switched #scrimdods over to Quakenet where the euros are. Maybe #scrimdod will work over there where you can share idlers. Over there you'd have NA source / NA 1.3 / euro source / euro 1.3 possibly sharing idlers. That is of course if europeans have a channel for 1.3. I couldn't find it though.

I don't think it will matter if you try #scrimdod on Quakenet or Gamesurge. It'll have a flood of supporters for 2 days until everyone realizes that the only people idling are either at work, or school, or just afk. It's easy enough to find scrims and ringers and 12mans on steam friends / ventrilo that there really isn't a need for irc anymore. Plus, from what I've seen, most NA players get their pugging and scrimming in at night when it's like 5am for Euros. How many euros are actually up at that time? (besides maybe linus)

defiance wrote:Has it always been like this? Why are they entirely too aggressive? How did Euro play style evolve so differently than ours.

I don't think good euro players +forward the entire time, but there are certainly bad NA players that do that.

defiance wrote:None of them stopped moving forward ever, they just run around spraying their autos and flick shotting with rifles. Then they started making fun of us for playing so slow and camping and couldn't believe this is how north americans played and were bragging euros were way more skilled (while we were beating them.)

This is pretty much the exact thing people said to us and coL while they were losing in 2005 (no skill/gay camping, etc). After awhile I think most people caught on to the fact that +forward the whole time doesn't work, and also that proning all over the place doesn't work and that the game actually requires you to know where you need to be and how important moving forward is in each situation.

toxinatoR wrote:

The thing about euros is that just because they once had the best competitive scene as far as skill and organization were concerned they still think they are ahead of the curve in DoD.

Which euro team won cpl? And I still feel like I heard diddly squat when animal, steve, and zoanth did attend that one cpl...

I would like to setup our own tournaments on opposites sundays.. I need ricky to maybe give me access to the STA site to do so.

I might be wrong but I read that by the time euros had ESL among other leagues they had a very competitive scene. Prior DoD in CPL's, europeans were very organized and people like Hn were considered the top players. And about the "dynamic trio" from what I know they came to play in a pug. They haven't come with a full roster, have them?

toxinatoR wrote:

The thing about euros is that just because they once had the best competitive scene as far as skill and organization were concerned they still think they are ahead of the curve in DoD.

Which euro team won cpl? And I still feel like I heard diddly squat when animal, steve, and zoanth did attend that one cpl...

I would like to setup our own tournaments on opposites sundays.. I need ricky to maybe give me access to the STA site to do so.

I think steve was really good, but I never got to play against him at CPL and I was never very good at watching a sniper and assessing how good he was. It's just much easier to play against them and see what they can do. I watched them play for awhile and Animal was good as well, but I would never have picked him over the rifles on my team. No idea about zoanth.

One of the rats guys was very quick (slippers I think) but I can't remember if he was their actual sniper or sniped one map or something strange like that.

cassinoroyale wrote:

toxinatoR wrote:

The thing about euros is that just because they once had the best competitive scene as far as skill and organization were concerned they still think they are ahead of the curve in DoD.

Which euro team won cpl? And I still feel like I heard diddly squat when animal, steve, and zoanth did attend that one cpl...

I would like to setup our own tournaments on opposites sundays.. I need ricky to maybe give me access to the STA site to do so.

I might be wrong but I read that by the time euros had ESL among other leagues they had a very competitive scene. Prior DoD in CPL's, europeans were very organized and people like Hn were considered the top players. And about the "dynamic trio" from what I know they came to play in a pug. They haven't come with a full roster, have them?

Hannibal played long before any of that and he was a beast, way better than anyone else. There weren't any other euros that were that good at that point. His aim and recoil control was years ahead of the curve, NA or Euro. Go back and watch any other movies from that era and compare it to him standing at the axis first flag on zafod killing 5 or 6 people with a garand clip. No one else could do stuff at that level.

But, outside of Hn, the top teams/players by reputation were split pretty evenly between the continents and anytime top teams did get together for showmatches they were pretty even.

defiance wrote:Someone school me on European DoD, i've never really paid attention to their stuff, since way back in the day.

Last night on 1080p's quest for practice we were asked to play by a euro team, all from Spain, i believe. Their pings were in the 150s so it seemed like it would be better than playing SA's. Once we started playing we realized they play completely different. None of them stopped moving forward ever, they just run around spraying their autos and flick shotting with rifles. Then they started making fun of us for playing so slow and camping and couldn't believe this is how north americans played and were bragging euros were way more skilled (while we were beating them.)

Has it always been like this? Why are they entirely too aggressive? How did Euro play style evolve so differently than ours.

Even the euros make fun of HD. Lawl.

You might want JaGGoN's memory to kick in here but I think Eximius played against them at WSVG for a few scrims and I don't recall any of them doing anything spectacular.

I remember playing Euros a few times around the time of CEVO, they played slow as hell. Where we might average around 25-30 deaths a game (depending on the map) they would try and average around 15-20. Maybe I am just talking out of my ass on that but its just something I remember seeing. It was kinda like watching the x6 vs Complexity finals with sparz and max proning in street but half of both teams at each flag. lol

seanality wrote:You might want JaGGoN's memory to kick in here but I think Eximius played against them at WSVG for a few scrims and I don't recall any of them doing anything spectacular.

Who would want JaGGoN's opinion on anything .. it would turn into this giant rant about how hes the most winningest LAN player ever..

basically what happens when we play euros....

Antrax was a boss.

toxinatoR wrote:Who would want JaGGoN's opinion on anything .. it would turn into this giant rant about how hes the most winningest LAN player ever..

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