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Eagle League Down!

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:15 pm
by SKiNnTo
Handle: Kodiac
Team: -=VMF=-
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:27088322
Start Date: April 20 2011
End Date: April 20 2012
Rule Violation: 7.7
Reason: Cheating outside of TPG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVTb_CFhxM

"I didn’t ban anyone for trolling/flaming Eagle Admins or Eagle members, but maybe I should have. Any player who disrespects Eagle Admins will be banned for placing themselves higher than this community. I cannot tolerate such selfishness."

Kodiac
Eagle League President

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:38 pm
by linuslolz
Cheater movies need music, allthough that was only a hltv,but still.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:22 pm
by t`RavE
Doesn't seem fishy, I believe he's just that good.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:31 pm
by james-
Skinto, you're still around eh? I haven't seen you around in ages, we played on sas together, right?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:19 pm
by fusioN
almost seems like he's one of those pub bots lol

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:02 am
by Swiss
he does a nice job jumping onto ledges

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:02 am
by seanality
I like the parts where he snaps to peoples faces. He has better recoil control while standing than tr4gik.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:33 am
by JustiN-_^
the kill @ 2:58-3:05 finally convinced me he cheats.

Could you release the demo?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:08 pm
by SKiNnTo

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:15 pm
by pinecone
Agreed, those pub bots are pretty tough to beat though.

Wtf is eagle league? Or nevermind, i don't really care. Kodiak down (???)

Also, serious question time,

this game is over 10 years old, if you have to cheat at it or do anything, something is seriously wrong with you. Play xb0xers.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:53 pm
by ceebz
lol even while cheating he played like a retard.. like why make it obvious your hacking then turn your back on a guy shooting at u and run away? if your going to cheat atleast go out with a bang dropping like a 60 bomb or something geez

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:05 am
by defiance
Kodiac Responds on the eagle league website



In light of recent tpg events, I have voluntary placed myself on the program x-ray, by doing so I hope to clear my good name.

Rest assured we here at Eagle League, Take cheating in any form as a serious matter. With that said, we will never accept a four min hltv demo as proof that someone is hacking. I know by the demo that is floating about of me in a "friendly" scrim that rates, and the speed of the demo itself can creat the illusion of cheats. This also forces us to reconcider any TPG bans we have enforced. At this time Eagle will no longer enforce any ban held by TPG unless the demo is first person. and not one recorded in hltv.

for those of you who have seen this video, and those who flame myself and Eagle in other fourms. Good luck bringing Eagle down. I shall be here when you are but a memory. and yes ill have the same steam id.

Kodiac

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:26 am
by mg_
Wouldn't be the first league to permit admins to cheat.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:30 am
by Schmiggs
I'd like to see the first person demo, but that looked about as blatant as I've seen in a long time. Just the mannerisms he was using when he was killed in a spot before, he would respawn not even bothering to look at that same spot he was killed.

WH+AB= Bad Admin.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:42 am
by Airnick15
can't wait to watch!

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:58 am
by unpro
yea i wish the demo was longer. 4min isnt really enough time, but it looks blatant enough.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:12 pm
by seanality
This eagle league admin seems like an idiot/cheater face. I don't care if it is a HLTV or not those are cheats. However, I don't know if TPG should ban based off of HLTV demos... just a thought.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:16 pm
by defiance
if TPG didn't ban off of HLTV, you wouldn't be able to ban off of scrims, and with pub cheaters like ronin around, that would just move on to scrims.

You can change the HLTV view to first person...

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:45 pm
by crawtona
defiance wrote:if TPG didn't ban off of HLTV, you wouldn't be able to ban off of scrims, and with pub cheaters like ronin around, that would just move on to scrims.

You can change the HLTV view to first person...
It's not about being able to view in first person, it's about the inherent inaccuracies of HLTV. Example: someone goes prone in game, the HLTV first person view still sits at the non-prone POV.

This looks pretty blatant though, even accounting for HLTV. The only explanation for the instant snapping to foreheads would be that HLTV lagged EVERY time this guy used mouse1.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:39 pm
by Sears
HLTV can be a little hard to prove wall hacks when you are dealing with highly skilled players, due to the aforementioned buggyness. However, this is just some blatant pub-clan player doing some squadleader like aimbotting. He plays like a robot who has never been out of ogl-open.

And just the way he talks....it's so weird. I don't understand how old ass dudes still get their jollies by role-playing WWII on the interwebs with 12 year olds, all the while being just awful awful players. I also like how he talks about how he'll keep rocking that GIANT steam id.

Also:

Image

Wish John Clanin was around to photoshop some cocks in his mouth or something.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:46 pm
by unpro
im sure someone around here is willing to take up the call.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:42 pm
by Swiss
Good luck bringing Eagle down. I shall be here when you are but a memory. and yes ill have the same steam id.
and yes you will be alone.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:01 pm
by SKiNnTo
Yeah James I'm still here! his quotes are straight from the eagle league front page. They are wonderful! Theres more much to what I know but we will wait for that to appear in public format. Kodiac thinks he got away with one even though he is banned.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:36 pm
by pappy_boyington
Sears wrote:HLTV can be a little hard to prove wall hacks when you are dealing with highly skilled players, due to the aforementioned buggyness. However, this is just some blatant pub-clan player doing some squadleader like aimbotting. He plays like a robot who has never been out of ogl-open.

And just the way he talks....it's so weird. I don't understand how old ass dudes still get their jollies by role-playing WWII on the interwebs with 12 year olds, all the while being just awful awful players. I also like how he talks about how he'll keep rocking that GIANT steam id.

Also:

Image

Wish John Clanin was around to photoshop some cocks in his mouth or something.
Unbelievable.

This post makes me lose all respect for 1911 the way that demo made you lose all respect for Kodiac. Unacceptable.

I am dumbfounded that grown men like sKiNnTo and others I could mention are speaking with such vehemence and derision. You put up the man's picture? I see a couple names in this thread that have a past they too would wish forgotten.

sKiNnto- your behavior is beneath contempt. It's been a while since I witnessed a man wallow in such spite. It's practically sadism.

I wouldn't treat my worst enemy this poorly. It is your right to call out hackers. But not this way ... those of you who have taken this too far have no honor.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:10 pm
by SKiNnTo
Well can one of the moderators delete this thread then? Sorry if i let my honor go. I was asked by =VMF= to join eagle league. Then we scrimmed them and this whole cheating thing came out of it. Cheating by the President of the league i was going to join. After I had just read his whole damn speech on the Eagle site. I had respect for the guy. Chaos (a member of my team) Negatived Kodiac during that scrim and I chewed his ass off about it, he can post and confirm that. I'm one to have good sportsmanship win or loss. Another thing to add, They also had a player in that scrim that was TPG-Banned which was a player on their current roster. After I got that demo. He mysteriously disappeared from their roster. They had him removed after finding out about his prior ban. I commend =VMF= Clan for that. And I hope their team can move and do well. They are decent team with some skills. We played a tough match against them. If Kodiac wasn't cheating i'd be hard to convince. Watching it live seemed even worse than that demo appears. Twisted was actually the first one to throw up a red flag for me. I've even gone in VMF vent and spoken to them about it with a couple of their members.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:18 pm
by Sears
Ok now super pubclan league guy, pull your replica us army issue ww2 boxers out of your ass.

There is a rich tradition in the competitive DoD community for John Clanin to photoshop some dicks on your picture if you make an ass of yourself in such a way as Kodiac has. Especially if he's going to post such a picture publicly.

Hell, in the good ole days we'de call up your parents and tell them you were hosting gay porn sites if we caught you cheating (not kidding, that happened).

None of this has anything to do with 'honor', and the way you go on and on about it and celebrate war heroes through your DoD pub clans and leagues is just fucking creepy and weird. It's like a full step below the losers that dress up and LARP in ww2 re-enactments. Yeah, a full step down from those giant tools.

This is just a bunch of dorks that frag eachother in online video games because it's fun on occasion.

Delete the thread??? I'm more inclined to sticky it.

PS - Take it easy on your thesaurus. Interjecting less common words into your unpolished vernacular just weakens your arguments and makes you look like even more of a massive douche bag (as if that were possible).

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:18 pm
by unpro
dont delete this thread, his post just made this shit hilarious.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:52 pm
by Jb_
We did alot worse back in the day. MoggaAssualt!

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:07 am
by Schmiggs
that Eagle page needs some Mogga assaulting...

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:36 am
by `NG

Unbelievable.

This post makes me lose all respect for 1911 the way that demo made you lose all respect for Kodiac. Unacceptable.

I am dumbfounded that grown men like sKiNnTo and others I could mention are speaking with such vehemence and derision. You put up the man's picture? I see a couple names in this thread that have a past they too would wish forgotten.

sKiNnto- your behavior is beneath contempt. It's been a while since I witnessed a man wallow in such spite. It's practically sadism.

I wouldn't treat my worst enemy this poorly. It is your right to call out hackers. But not this way ... those of you who have taken this too far have no honor.
Don't put your picture in a place where it can be used if you don't want it shown. I don't see anything wrong with taking something out of very visible public domain and putting it somewhere else visible... unless you too are a sad 45 year old man that revels in a wwII video game like it means something. Then I could understand your frustration.

And "wallow in such spite"? Is your brain a jello mold? Welcome to the internet sir, you must be new here. He didn't even say anything that egregious. I think you need to review the concept of an internet forum before you post anything else and further your status as a complete fucking retard.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:39 am
by Airnick15
Did he turn in first person demo?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:00 am
by seanality
Airnick15 wrote:Did he turn in first person demo?
My understanding is that the hltv demo came from a scrim not a match so kodiac wouldn't necessarily have a first person demo.

As for the 1911 community targeting kodiac...

The people have every right to flame him. He looks very blatant in my eyes. However, I know tpg is not cal but from what I remember back in cal you couldn't ban for hltv. If that is true I think we forgive and forget and unban this guy and let him and his team continue to play. I would imagin that from now on every team will dispute him so whatever, we can catch him that way. Atleast we know he won't be dumb enough to cheat again. I mean fuck look how obvious it was in even hltv demos. What I am saying is if he cheats in a match then ban his ass. We don't want to divide this already small community any further. There aren't many people still holding onto this dying community so let's not push them all away let's let them hang on. But, if they cheat in a match or another scrim, peace.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:41 am
by defiance
seanality wrote:
Airnick15 wrote:Did he turn in first person demo?
My understanding is that the hltv demo came from a scrim not a match so kodiac wouldn't necessarily have a first person demo.

As for the 1911 community targeting kodiac...

The people have every right to flame him. He looks very blatant in my eyes. However, I know tpg is not cal but from what I remember back in cal you couldn't ban for hltv. If that is true I think we forgive and forget and unban this guy and let him and his team continue to play. I would imagin that from now on every team will dispute him so whatever, we can catch him that way. Atleast we know he won't be dumb enough to cheat again. I mean fuck look how obvious it was in even hltv demos. What I am saying is if he cheats in a match then ban his ass. We don't want to divide this already small community any further. There aren't many people still holding onto this dying community so let's not push them all away let's let them hang on. But, if they cheat in a match or another scrim, peace.
your memory is wrong, you could get banned from not only hltv but pubs as well. Saying forgive and forget because he won't cheat in matches is basically the green light for awful trolls to scrim cheat.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:25 pm
by pappy_boyington
If Kodiac was using an aimbot, why did he miss the guy at 1:26 right after killing the guy at 1:25?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVTb_CFhxM

He clearly misses his second target. Does aimbot do that? Start watching at 1:20 and go to 1:28. Watch carefully. He misses his second target.

This is not aimbot.

TPG- Unban this man and apologize.

SKiNnto- I humbly apologize. My post was very excessive and I was wrong to be so aggressive. Your post after mine shows you are a man of honor. Please forgive my anger.

A big round of thanks for trolling me Sears. I think you're a cool guy when you don't get upset. ;)

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:31 pm
by Expunge
pappy_boyington wrote:If Kodiac was using an aimbot, why did he miss the guy at 1:26 right after killing the guy at 1:25?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVTb_CFhxM

He clearly misses his second target. Does aimbot do that? Start watching at 1:20 and go to 1:28. Watch carefully. He misses his second target.

This is not aimbot.

TPG- Unban this man and apologize.

SKiNnto- I humbly apologize. My post was very excessive and I was wrong to be so aggressive. Your post after mine shows you are a man of honor. Please forgive my anger.

A big round of thanks for trolling me Sears. I think you're a cool guy when you don't get upset. ;)

because he's moving while he shoots.......have you ever played dod before?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:34 pm
by pappy_boyington
Aimbot only works when you stand still? Is that what you're telling me?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:37 pm
by Expunge
i'm telling you that when you are moving in dod, the bullets don't go exactly where the crosshair is

(and his crosshair happens to be directly on both targets)

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:43 pm
by pappy_boyington
Expunge wrote:i'm telling you that when you are moving in dod, the bullets don't go exactly where the crosshair is

(and his crosshair happens to be directly on both targets)
Actually, if you watch the video in HD the crosshairs are above the right shoulder of the second guy. And he clearly shoots and misses.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:54 pm
by Expunge
the crosshair is on the guy for every bullet, the recoil forces it up before it snaps back onto the guy. and yes he shoots and misses because he's strafing at the same time

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:58 pm
by pappy_boyington
Expunge wrote:the crosshair is on the guy for every bullet, the recoil forces it up before it snaps back onto the guy. and yes he shoots and misses because he's strafing at the same time
Please watch the demo again. Watch it at 1080 HD from 1:20 to 1:28.

The crosshair goes from the first guy to the second guy, but NEVER is on his body. Ever.

Again. The crosshair NEVER touches the second man. Watch in 1080 HD and keep an open mind.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:00 pm
by Expunge
it doesn't touch his body cause it's on his head

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:00 pm
by unpro
you do realize the hit boxes for heads in HL engine games tend to be slightly fucked up right? either way, strafing while shooting will fuck any aimbot. they dont compensate for recoil, they just put the crosshair on the head.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:05 pm
by pappy_boyington
ok, if aimbot only touches the head why are there body shots at 1:25?

Watch in 1080 HD. The guy at 1:25 is NOT shot in the head. You can see his head poking over the blood splatter. Clearly.

You can't have it both ways. If aimbot is on at 1:25 where he gets hits why does he miss the head?

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:13 pm
by Expunge
looks to me like the crosshair is on the first guy's head as well

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:29 pm
by pappy_boyington
Expunge wrote:looks to me like the crosshair is on the first guy's head as well
You can see his helmet above the railing, while the hits are below the railing. Watch it 5 times in a row with HD. Helmet above the railing, hits below the railing, crosshair below the railing.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:44 pm
by Expunge
sorry, i don't see his helmet above the railing until after he is dead

it looks like your friend cheated in this particular scrim

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:02 pm
by pappy_boyington
Expunge wrote:sorry, i don't see his helmet above the railing until after he is dead

it looks like your friend cheated in this particular scrim
I think you are right that the head pops up after the shot, yet I don't see the head below the railing either. Additionally, The crosshairs are well below the railing and they never stop moving.

Approach this with an open mind. Let the evidence lead you.

Guy at 1:25 is in an obvious place. The first place I would look if I were an ally in apts. You can hear them coming. I would look there first too. Crosshair never stops moving, and I don't see it near the head. I think you are right that the head pops up after, but the fact is the crosshair is well below. And then he misses the second guy behind the wall, in the tougher spot. The crosshair NEVER touches the head of the second guy. NEVER.

Guy at 2:19 moves into the open. In a gun battle with another guy. Kodiac shoots him in the foot first. The foot (not quite the head there). HLTV doesn't show crosshairs at that point, but the BAR is clearly moving up as he shoots.

Guy at 2:31. Running in the wide open, not shooting to defend himself. Listen. You can hear the door open before he jumps to the window. So it makes sense that he looks there quickly.

Guy at 2:42. Comes through a door again. You can hear the guy coming. You hear the door open. He is really close. Point blank range.

Guy at 3:02. Amazing shot. But you can hear people to the left before Kodiac goes through the door. First place I would look is spawn ramp if I were looking left.

I've never used hacks, so I don't know exactly how an aimbot works, but I can tell you this. Machines operate on the principle of repetition. If he is using an aimbot why is it so inconsistent? How is Kodiac's play different than a man using a KAR, who must aim as best he can to get hits and sometimes he misses (or hits a foot)?

I think there is room for doubt. This is an HLTV demo. The server the scrim was on is in Atlanta, the HLTV in LA. The update rate of the HLTV was at 20, which is probably why the demo is a bit choppy at points. You have to count the pc of the person taking the demo as well.

And on top of that there are inconsistencies. He misses at 1:26. If aimbot is suppose to put crosshairs on the head it should do that. They never touch the guy at 1:26.

I don't understand how you can be so sure. If aimbot is that inconsistent a player with good aim should only play in a server without HLTV for their own safety...

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:14 pm
by mg_
pappy_boyington wrote:If Kodiac was using an aimbot, why did he miss the guy at 1:26 right after killing the guy at 1:25?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVTb_CFhxM

He clearly misses his second target. Does aimbot do that? Start watching at 1:20 and go to 1:28. Watch carefully. He misses his second target.

This is not aimbot.

TPG- Unban this man and apologize.
LOL I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. This stupidity rivals ronin's.

Re: Eagle League Down!

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:16 pm
by mg_
Once and for all - we'll settle the ultimate cheater league: WHO HARBORS THE BEST CHEATERS.

EAGLE DOD VERSUS TPG.


FIGHT.