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https://twitter.com/RiotDeman/status/355621912740765697

http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legen ... e-6411345/

After looking at this I wasn't exactly surprised, however I was disappointed knowing that League of Legends is now on par with sports like those listed in the tweet. Playing dod I don't really have a right to say that League of Legends isn't challenging enough or the skill cap is high enough to be referred to as a sport on par with the traditional major league sports, but I was curious to know what you guys thought. Players getting their own visa's is cool and i think is great for competitive gaming in the future, just thought i'd share and see what you guys had to say.

You cant blame Riot for their somewhat shitty community but the company they have established is great! I am a Leaguer only because I was really bad at Dota so i dodged it completely and I have to say that Riot really makes its community heard and they listen to all "pros" on how to adjust the game. Simply put the game is popular because the company that made it took the time to understand how a successful competitive gaming world would work.

nunz wrote:You cant blame Riot for their somewhat shitty community but the company they have established is great! I am a Leaguer only because I was really bad at Dota so i dodged it completely and I have to say that Riot really makes its community heard and they listen to all "pros" on how to adjust the game. Simply put the game is popular because the company that made it took the time to understand how a successful competitive gaming world would work.

No, the game is popular because the company took the time to understand how a successful pub game works. Just like Call of Duty.

yeah, its interesting to see what Riot has done for the game. The viewers on twitch for league is almost never sub 40k. That attention when received looks great from an outsider's point of view. However like you said the community at times isn't the best even in the slightest which doesn't necessarily matter to sponsors who support the game, leaving that factor void. While the next games on the most viewed list - being dota 2 and sc2 are great in themselves, they are only a shadow of league of legend's viewer power even when there is a big tournament for either of the previously mentioned two going on. I am curious to see if this affects other game communities and will eventually become a common theme throughout all games. I almost wonder if the result of such a change was due to the popularity of league or was done behind closed doors. I can see either scenario being very probable but that's just my skepticism.

scorch- wrote:

nunz wrote:You cant blame Riot for their somewhat shitty community but the company they have established is great! I am a Leaguer only because I was really bad at Dota so i dodged it completely and I have to say that Riot really makes its community heard and they listen to all "pros" on how to adjust the game. Simply put the game is popular because the company that made it took the time to understand how a successful competitive gaming world would work.

No, the game is popular because the company took the time to understand how a successful pub game works. Just like Call of Duty.

I disagree, on so many aspects the game does not even come close to how sad of a community COD has. Cod also pays 0 to no attention to competitive aspect of the game, most guns have controllable recoil to the point where all you need to do is spray hard down your iron sight. There are no 'plays' in games like that no 'nice shots' and really 0 elements of team play. I do not find LOL to be a pub game at all. It took a fairly long time to understand certain elements of the game and really figure out how all the champions work. They have made team composition a big deal in the way you team fight and lane. They actively add new items/champions/elements to the game so its refreshing. I just think comparing COD and LOL is completely unjust.

I am a Leaguer only because I was really bad at Dota so i dodged it completely

the company that made it took the time to understand how a successful competitive gaming world would work.

I'm done.

I'M FUCKING DONE.

Didn't Chu quit hon for like a year, play LoL for a month and was immediately a top ranked player? Isn't that a thing that actually happened?

COD : Counter-Strike/Quake :: LoL : DotA

That is why I'm equating LoL and CoD. Since you only play LoL and not DotA, it's not worth writing out all the different reasons, but suffice it to say that the game designers have a game structure in mind, they build items and heroes to support that game structure, and players are forced to play along with that structure if they want to win.

LoL is the easiest game in its genre. It's a game for people who want to play an fps-style game with skill shots deciding the winner instead of strategy/teamwork.

scorch- wrote:COD : Counter-Strike/Quake :: LoL : DotA

That is why I'm equating LoL and CoD. Since you only play LoL and not DotA, it's not worth writing out all the different reasons, but suffice it to say that the game designers have a game structure in mind, they build items and heroes to support that game structure, and players are forced to play along with that structure if they want to win.

LoL is the easiest game in its genre. It's a game for people who want to play an fps-style game with skill shots deciding the winner instead of strategy/teamwork.

I don't play LoL or DotA, so I can't comment on any supposed skill differences between the two. The fact is, though, for a game to reach the level of popularity required to actually be officially considered alongside the MLB, etc., it has to appeal to the non-hardcore gamers. I have tried to watch a few DotA2 matches, and I think "DGAF" was what was running through my mind for most of it. I don't have/want to take the time to learn an overly complicated game, and neither do most people (a large part of those are potentially incapable of it as well). On the other hand, I have watched a number of LoL matches and can understand/enjoy what's going on, even as a non-player, and without having to treat it as a masters program in video game knowledge.

crawtona wrote:

scorch- wrote:COD : Counter-Strike/Quake :: LoL : DotA

That is why I'm equating LoL and CoD. Since you only play LoL and not DotA, it's not worth writing out all the different reasons, but suffice it to say that the game designers have a game structure in mind, they build items and heroes to support that game structure, and players are forced to play along with that structure if they want to win.

LoL is the easiest game in its genre. It's a game for people who want to play an fps-style game with skill shots deciding the winner instead of strategy/teamwork.

I don't play LoL or DotA, so I can't comment on any supposed skill differences between the two. The fact is, though, for a game to reach the level of popularity required to actually be officially considered alongside the MLB, etc., it has to appeal to the non-hardcore gamers. I have tried to watch a few DotA2 matches, and I think "DGAF" was what was running through my mind for most of it. I don't have/want to take the time to learn an overly complicated game, and neither do most people (a large part of those are potentially incapable of it as well). On the other hand, I have watched a number of LoL matches and can understand/enjoy what's going on, even as a non-player, and without having to treat it as a masters program in video game knowledge.

pretty much this, im definitely not downing dota in anyway, i have played dota as i said it was just overbarring at first and i couldnt curve it as i dont have the time to put into a game that requires it.

haha i was in r q's w/ Riot Nick Allen a couple of days ago.

crawtona wrote:

scorch- wrote:COD : Counter-Strike/Quake :: LoL : DotA

That is why I'm equating LoL and CoD. Since you only play LoL and not DotA, it's not worth writing out all the different reasons, but suffice it to say that the game designers have a game structure in mind, they build items and heroes to support that game structure, and players are forced to play along with that structure if they want to win.

LoL is the easiest game in its genre. It's a game for people who want to play an fps-style game with skill shots deciding the winner instead of strategy/teamwork.

I don't play LoL or DotA, so I can't comment on any supposed skill differences between the two. The fact is, though, for a game to reach the level of popularity required to actually be officially considered alongside the MLB, etc., it has to appeal to the non-hardcore gamers. I have tried to watch a few DotA2 matches, and I think "DGAF" was what was running through my mind for most of it. I don't have/want to take the time to learn an overly complicated game, and neither do most people (a large part of those are potentially incapable of it as well). On the other hand, I have watched a number of LoL matches and can understand/enjoy what's going on, even as a non-player, and without having to treat it as a masters program in video game knowledge.

The funny thing is that they're the exact same game on the surface. The things that make dota better are things that you couldn't even recognize until you actually played the games. So maybe you're just drawn to cartoony graphics or happen to like the LCS broadcasters or something?

scorch- wrote:

crawtona wrote:

scorch- wrote:COD : Counter-Strike/Quake :: LoL : DotA

That is why I'm equating LoL and CoD. Since you only play LoL and not DotA, it's not worth writing out all the different reasons, but suffice it to say that the game designers have a game structure in mind, they build items and heroes to support that game structure, and players are forced to play along with that structure if they want to win.

LoL is the easiest game in its genre. It's a game for people who want to play an fps-style game with skill shots deciding the winner instead of strategy/teamwork.

I don't play LoL or DotA, so I can't comment on any supposed skill differences between the two. The fact is, though, for a game to reach the level of popularity required to actually be officially considered alongside the MLB, etc., it has to appeal to the non-hardcore gamers. I have tried to watch a few DotA2 matches, and I think "DGAF" was what was running through my mind for most of it. I don't have/want to take the time to learn an overly complicated game, and neither do most people (a large part of those are potentially incapable of it as well). On the other hand, I have watched a number of LoL matches and can understand/enjoy what's going on, even as a non-player, and without having to treat it as a masters program in video game knowledge.

The funny thing is that they're the exact same game on the surface. The things that make dota better are things that you couldn't even recognize until you actually played the games. So maybe you're just drawn to cartoony graphics or happen to like the LCS broadcasters or something?

I don't think I've watched a LoL match with a shoutcast, tbh. Maybe the problem is that I watched the DotA matches with one, and I really had no idea what they were talking about (terminology, etc). It also just seemed a bit slower paced, I guess. Though that probably has to do with not understanding the strategies and such (are the maps bigger? I feel like they were for some reason). I definitely saw the resemblance between the two; you're right, simple gameplay-wise they looked almost the same.

Like I alluded to, I've never played DotA and have played a very minimal amount of LoL, so I might be talking out of my ass, but that's just the impression I got.

i was about to write a detailed post explaining why league is so much worse,

but league is just a joke compared to dota.

its like comparing futsal to actually football. Sure, it takes some skill but its void of any real strategy/teamwork.

zi0n_ wrote:i was about to write a detailed post explaining why league is so much worse,

but league is just a joke compared to dota.

its like comparing futsal to actually football. Sure, it takes some skill but its void of any real strategy/teamwork.

TKSDLV_ZC1M

the irony is dota players are the only one who cares for my game better than your bs. they are different games just get over it. league is more successful because RIOT took the time and research to figure out what kind of game would suit an e-sports world.

LoL is more popular because it's easier.

this just means massively fat unwashed kids who can't run, can now call themselves jocks. this country is shit.

akiro wrote:this just means massively fat unwashed kids who can't run, can now call themselves jocks. this country is shit.

i lol'd so much at this... could you imagine HS league teams. scary thought hope it never happens, but it probably already has.

LoL is easy to get into, easy to become decent, but hard to become a top player. Which is one of the reasons its become so popular, that and the fact that it's free and isn't too hardware intensive.

LoL is free and easy as fuck isn't it?

Nothing more to be said. I like starcraft better than all those games personally, and still really enjoy watching pro sc2 games, kinda sad to see how a game like League is overshadowing it. League wasn't bad for like a month, got tired of it pretty quick though.

I never played LoL once. I got into Dota 1 while bootcamping for CPL 2005. Prior to that I had never touched the game. I feel like it took a few months to really feel comfortable randoming and playing any hero decently. So by the end of that summer I was hooked and playing a lot. I don't know when LoL came out, but every time I've heard of anyone talk about it, Ive heard the same thing over and over... It's easy. I enjoy competition, thats whats fun to me. I have no interest in playing an easier game.

Also Valve is backing dota 2. This year's International is at $2.5 million and counting. $1 million+ came directly from a % of community purchases (the compendium). I like where dota 2 is going and who's behind it. Good for Riot, but I'll take Valve. Also it just came out of beta. Who knows how much more popular dota 2 can get now.


P.S. Geek Jason says : "I dont see Weta Workshop (production house of LOTR and many other movies) making custom real life LoL items."

You're the one who brought up dota, fyi. I played LoL for a couple months while DR was learning it for his work producing videos. It was fun to run around on blitzcrank and start roaming at level 1 and still win, but it's not a game that was any fun to play seriously.

knockout wrote:

zi0n_ wrote:i was about to write a detailed post explaining why league is so much worse,

but league is just a joke compared to dota.

its like comparing futsal to actually football. Sure, it takes some skill but its void of any real strategy/teamwork.

TKSDLV_ZC1M

ah, videos like that give me such hope for humanity. I guess hes on point with regard to the gaben.

zi0n_ wrote:

knockout wrote:

zi0n_ wrote:i was about to write a detailed post explaining why league is so much worse,

but league is just a joke compared to dota.

its like comparing futsal to actually football. Sure, it takes some skill but its void of any real strategy/teamwork.

TKSDLV_ZC1M

ah, videos like that give me such hope for humanity. I guess hes on point with regard to the gaben.

obvious troll is obvious