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I just started lifting again after almost a 4 month break.

HOLY FUCK do I hurt.

Anyone else lift? If so:

1. Height, Weight
2. Your goals (for weight, max, sports, or physique)
3. Your current Max
4. Current Splits
5. Supplement Stacks if any

1. 6'2", 240
2. Get Jacked (not ripped) enough to have 20" biceps and max over 400 lbs on bench.
3. When I stopped lifting 4 months ago: 330 lbs bench, 500 lbs deadlift, and I used a smith for squat but on free bar squat I did 315lbs with reps of 6. Now my bench max is probably around 265 and won't take much to get to 300 again.
4. Chest + Abs, Legs, Back + Biceps, Shoulders + Tris (I have tried soooo many different splits but this is the one that was working in the end)
5. USP Labs Jack3d (pre-workout), Optimum Nutrition 100% Gold Standard Whey (fast burning protein), EFX Kre-akalyn (less water absorbent creatine), Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men Multivitamin, and USP Labs Pink Magic (natural test booster).

I expected a different response from you Sears.

Figured you might be all over this with your half rep squats.

Not serious.

But don't you lift?

I can't afford to lift, hell I can barley afford to have a healthy high protein diet.

I basically work out prison style, lots of self resistance work outs, push ups, pull ups, sit ups, etc.

seanality wrote:4. Chest + Abs, Legs, Back + Biceps, Shoulders + Tris (I have tried soooo many different splits but this is the one that was working in the end)
5. USP Labs Jack3d (pre-workout), Optimum Nutrition 100% Gold Standard Whey (fast burning protein), EFX Kre-akalyn (less water absorbent creatine), Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men Multivitamin, and USP Labs Pink Magic (natural test booster).

Hitting muscle groups 1x per week = meh. Just get on a power/hypertrophy program where you hit each group 2x per week.

You could also do away with most of those supplements. Protein powder is fine although ON is way more expensive than other brands. Supplementing micronutrients is fine but I'm kind of anti-multivitamin as of late (high levels of folic acid + vitamin E = potentially bad and higher risk of cancer). Just eat a healthy diet and a multivitamin is so unnecessary.

james- wrote:I can't afford to lift, hell I can barley afford to have a healthy high protein diet.

I basically work out prison style, lots of self resistance work outs, push ups, pull ups, sit ups, etc.

Eating high protein isn't particularly expensive, especially if you supplement with protein shakes. The shakes I get come out to be about $0.50 per serving, even with shipping costs included.

seanality wrote:I expected a different response from you Sears.

Figured you might be all over this with your half rep squats.

Sears does box squats on the smith machine for 540 pounds and rounds it up to 700.

alex kirk wrote: Eating high protein isn't particularly expensive, especially if you supplement with protein shakes. The shakes I get come out to be about $0.50 per serving, even with shipping costs included.

what are you using and where are you getting it?
I've been getting the 5 or 6 lb bags of EAS Protein powder 23g from costco.

james- wrote:what are you using and where are you getting it?
I've been getting the 5 or 6 lb bags of EAS Protein powder 23g from costco.

supplementwarehouse.com - 5 pounds protein bins for $50 w/ shipping. At least shipping to the Chicago area.

Also just using Google shopping can come up with some really good prices.

I think a lot of people use protein they dont need. Hook up with a nutritionist and see what they suggest. Its not horribly expensive(no more than you would spend on protein over a few months) and very well could be much more effective or at least healthier. Bodies need more than protein to build with. Unless your a pure vegetarian i guess.

Taking advice from one person that has a system that works for them will not get you what your body needs. Sears daily diet is most likely very different than yours and i imagine he does a lot more physical work than you are planning on doing.

Alex "Ronnie Coleman" Kirk.

unpro wrote:I think a lot of people use protein they dont need. Hook up with a nutritionist and see what they suggest. Its not horribly expensive(no more than you would spend on protein over a few months) and very well could be much more effective or at least healthier. Bodies need more than protein to build with. Unless your a pure vegetarian i guess.

Taking advice from one person that has a system that works for them will not get you what your body needs. Sears daily diet is most likely very different than yours and i imagine he does a lot more physical work than you are planning on doing.

The value of protein for an athletic individual isn't really up for debate. The science supports it. In terms of building muscle, protein is as close to essential as possible. Even on hypercaloric, low protein diets you can still build muscle, but at significantly slower rates. Being vegetarian is irrelevant; even vegetarians can build muscle at equal rates assuming their protein is in check.

Lots of nutritionists are stupid and many of them STILL subscribe to the lipid hypothesis. Brb dietary fat causes CVD, and saturated fat will give you a heart attack on the spot.

The body needs some essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, and some glucose. Even the most horrific of diets will fit these needs. The question is optimizing one's diet, and for those who lead active lifestyles, high protein diets are optimal.

rydN wrote:Alex "Ronnie Coleman" Kirk.

Haha, yeah right. I never want to be bigger than 185 pounds, which is roughly where I stand now. I prefer being a strong endurance athlete to a heavy lifter.

Do you even lift?

Bros, I haven't lifted competitively in many moons. It's been probably seven years since I last attempted to squat 700 lbs, which was my all time 1 rep max when I was 20 years old, 5'10 and 215 lbs.

There is a huge difference between how body builders and athletes train. I was always training for sports (football/track).

Developing speed, power, acceleration, reaction, and quickness is a totally different monster than carving up your body with isolation training and tons of supplementation that can be quite actually be quite hard on your body.

I still train, it's just much different from when I was a competitive athlete in college. More rock climbing and trail running than lifting. I still have a MWF olympic routine, but I'm not lifting for max or anything.

None of dat der cell-tech either.

I take animal pak multivitamin because I always have, but I try to get most of my essential nutrients from a disciplined diet.

ON Whey is good, and keep it on had for post-workout. Other than that it's just green tea and some herbs.

Sears wrote:Developing speed, power, acceleration, reaction, and quickness is a totally different monster than carving up your body with isolation training and tons of supplementation that can be quite actually be quite hard on your body.

Well, supplementation isn't necessary or even optimum in terms of weight training. Unless you want to compete outside of your body's genetic potential for muscle mass, in which case you kind of need steroids :X

None of dat der cell-tech either.

Sure. Wink.

I take animal pak multivitamin because I always have, but I try to get most of my essential nutrients from a disciplined diet.

Then I suggest removing the multi. I can post some studies including meta-analysis reviews showing that high levels of folic acid and/or vitamin E can increase odds of cancer.

ON Whey is good, and keep it on had for post-workout. Other than that it's just green tea and some herbs.

How do you define post-workout? How long do you think the post-workout anabolic window is?

ROFL.

"Get Jacked (not ripped)"

Now any time someone asks me what I'm up to, I'm going to say "Getting jacked.. but NOT ripped."

Sorry duality.. just made me laugh. Laugh my fucking ass off. Props to you for getting in shape though.

OP = germanic?

I buy 5lb of ON Whey for $44.99 including shipping. I take a multivitamin but try to get everything I need from my diet. I have actually pretty much stopped eating carbs unless they come from fruit or oatmeal. I have tried supplements (like USP Jacked and also some NO-explode crap) and felt absolutely no benefit from it, same with creatine. I guess I just do not prefer to use them.

Since I have started weightlifting, I would say it is the best change I could have made to my overall lifestyle. I cannot emphasize the enjoyment I get out of it, but it has also made me far more concerned with the obesity epidemic (yes I would classify it as an epidemic), the way food is marketed towards individuals, as well as how it is produced.

I cannot say that I have ever tried maxing out on anything though, I guess I don't really care enough.

Bi's for the ladies~

ao_ wrote: I have actually pretty much stopped eating carbs unless they come from fruit or oatmeal.

I don't get how people do low carb. Blows my mind that people willingly give them up.

Carbs are not bad. Carbs are good, unless they are bad.

Miller` wrote:Carbs are not bad. Carbs are good, unless they are bad.

So eloquent.

If someone avoids carbs for some sort of useful purpose, that's one thing. Maybe because they simply prefer more fatty foods than carb-dense foods. But if they avoid carbs because they are under the impression that carbs are bad or lower carbs = better, then...that's kind of false. Outside of people who are insulin resistant or diabetic, that is.

you know what untz? I could do away with coffee in the morning, but I fucking enjoy coffee in the mornings; much like I enjoy my cot damn pre w/o drink, 30mins prior to doing curls in the squat rack. come at me bro.

On a more serious note; I'm not even going to attempt to question kirks nutrition knowledge, he's got that shit on lock. I will agree that pretty much all supplements, except for a multi/protein, are non-essential for most.

lol'd @ joey's germanic comment

brb getting "toned", don't wanna get big lulz

[youtube]m0Eo7ju54aY[/youtube]

Rambizzle wrote:you know what untz? I could do away with coffee in the morning, but I fucking enjoy coffee in the mornings; much like I enjoy my cot damn pre w/o drink, 30mins prior to doing curls in the squat rack. come at me bro.

On a more serious note; I'm not even going to attempt to question kirks nutrition knowledge, he's got that shit on lock. I will agree that pretty much all supplements, except for a multi/protein, are non-essential.

I wouldn't give people a hard time for drinking coffee! But drinking some fancy pre-workout energy booster which is overpriced AND where the active ingredient so happens to be caffeine is just a waste of money! Working out fasted/semi-fasted is the best energy booster I've ever experienced. Consider it!

And I don't care if people insist on their whey shakes exactly 30 minutes pre AND post workout, just saying it isn't necessary. The only people telling you that you HAVE to drink a whey shake within 30-60 minutes post-workout are the supplement companies, when truly the post-workout anabolic window is open a long ass time. The only time it is necessary to eat immediately post-workout is if you're coming off a 48-72 hour fast, or performing multiple glycogen-depleting exercises in a single day.

P.S. protein shakes are non-essential! You can get all your protein from meat or dairy or whatever and see the same exact results.

Okay, everyone keeps talking about multivitamins and ignores my comments regarding high levels of folic acid and vitamin E and the possible link to cancer and generally higher rates of mortality. I'm going to do you all a righteous and drop some science in this thread because I care about you bros:

"Among the 643 men who were randomly assigned to placebo or supplementation with folic acid, the estimated probability of being diagnosed with prostate cancer over a 10-year period was 9.7% (95% confidence interval [CI] = 6.5% to 14.5%) in the folic acid group and 3.3% (95% CI = 1.7% to 6.4%) in the placebo group (age-adjusted hazard ratio = 2.63, 95% CI = 1.23 to 5.65, Wald test P = .01). In contrast, baseline dietary folate intake and plasma folate in nonmultivitamin users were inversely associated with risk of prostate cancer, although these associations did not attain statistical significance in adjusted analyses. These findings highlight the potential complex role of folate in prostate cancer and the possibly different effects of folic acid-containing supplements vs natural sources of folate."

-Figueiredo JC, Grau MV, Haile RW, Sandler RS, Summers RW, Bresalier RS, Burke CA, McKeown-Eyssen GE, Baron JA. Folic acid and risk of prostate cancer: results from a randomized clinical trial. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2009 Mar 18;101(6):432-5. Epub 2009 Mar 10.

"In low-bias risk trials, after exclusion of selenium trials, beta carotene (RR, 1.07; 95% CI, 1.02-1.11), vitamin A (RR, 1.16; 95% CI, 1.10-1.24), and vitamin E (RR, 1.04; 95% CI, 1.01-1.07), singly or combined, significantly increased mortality."

-Bjelakovic G, Nikolova D, Gluud LL, Simonetti RG, Gluud C. Mortality in randomized trials of antioxidant supplements for primary and secondary
prevention: systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA. 2007 Feb 28;297(8):842-57. Review. Erratum in: JAMA. 2008 Feb 20;299(7):765-6. - This was a review spanning 385 publications of over 200,000 participants.

"Folic acid was associated with higher risks of having 3 or more adenomas and of noncolorectal cancers."

-Cole BF, Baron JA, Sandler RS, Haile RW, Ahnen DJ, Bresalier RS, McKeown-Eyssen G, Summers RW, Rothstein RI, Burke CA, Snover DC, Church TR, Allen JI, Robertson DJ, Beck GJ, Bond JH, Byers T, Mandel JS, Mott LA, Pearson LH, Barry EL, Rees JR, Marcon N, Saibil F, Ueland PM, Greenberg ER; Polyp Prevention Study Group. Folic acid for the prevention of colorectal adenomas: a randomized clinical trial. JAMA. 2007 Jun 6;297(21):2351-9.

"After a median 39 months of treatment and an additional 38 months of posttrial observational follow-up, 341 participants (10.0%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 288 participants (8.4%) who did not receive such treatment were diagnosed with cancer (hazard ratio [HR], 1.21; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.03-1.41; P = .02). A total of 136 (4.0%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 100 (2.9%) who did not receive such treatment died from cancer (HR, 1.38; 95% CI, 1.07-1.79; P = .01). A total of 548 patients (16.1%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 473 (13.8%) who did not receive such treatment died from any cause (HR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.04-1.33; P = .01). Results were mainly driven by increased lung cancer incidence in participants who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12). Vitamin B(6) treatment was not associated with any significant effects.

Treatment with folic acid plus vitamin B(12) was associated with increased cancer outcomes and all-cause mortality in patients with ischemic heart disease in Norway, where there is no folic acid fortification of foods."

-Ebbing M, Bønaa KH, Nygård O, Arnesen E, Ueland PM, Nordrehaug JE, Rasmussen K, Njølstad I, Refsum H, Nilsen DW, Tverdal A, Meyer K, Vollset SE. Cancer incidence and mortality after treatment with folic acid and vitamin B12. JAMA. 2009 Nov 18;302(19):2119-26.

Just something to consider, bros. Always make sure your vitamins are water soluble. But ideally if you're leading a healthy lifestyle as is and getting plenty of whole, micronutrient-rich foods, then a multi is just a waste. Buy micros based on where your diet is lacking, and supplement specifically. If you don't get a lot of calcium, buy calcium. If you don't get a lot of vitamin C, buy that. There's too much risk with multivitamins if it's THIS easy to find clinical trials showing a potential cancer link to high intakes of folic acid and vitamin E (and potentially vitamin A).

james- wrote:[youtube]m0Eo7ju54aY[/youtube]

Video is crazy true. Although, as stated before, there may be more to it than merely wasting one's money on wasted micronutrients; may actually be quite detrimental to one's health.

Why isn't Alex Kirk my personal trainer

can someone post cliffs on alex kirks novel?

Rambizzle wrote:can someone post cliffs on alex kirks novel?

High levels of folic acid and/or vitamin E and/or vitamin A found in multivitamins may be associated with an increased risk of cancer and general mortality. All multivitamins on the market have too high a level of these micronutrients. These micronutrients in the form of food don't seem to pose an issue.

Disregard multivitamins; acquire healthy foods.

there was no way this thread was not going to be taken over by alex.

sevEN wrote:there was no way this thread was not going to be taken over by alex.

About to get Alan Aragon up in this bitch.



6 meals per day, no carbs after 7:34 pm est., protein shake 16 minutes post-workout, annnnnnd brown rice > white rice.

What did I miss, Joey?

alex kirk wrote:

Rambizzle wrote:you know what untz? I could do away with coffee in the morning, but I fucking enjoy coffee in the mornings; much like I enjoy my cot damn pre w/o drink, 30mins prior to doing curls in the squat rack. come at me bro.

On a more serious note; I'm not even going to attempt to question kirks nutrition knowledge, he's got that shit on lock. I will agree that pretty much all supplements, except for a multi/protein, are non-essential.

I wouldn't give people a hard time for drinking coffee! But drinking some fancy pre-workout energy booster which is overpriced AND where the active ingredient so happens to be caffeine is just a waste of money! Working out fasted/semi-fasted is the best energy booster I've ever experienced. Consider it!

And I don't care if people insist on their whey shakes exactly 30 minutes pre AND post workout, just saying it isn't necessary. The only people telling you that you HAVE to drink a whey shake within 30-60 minutes post-workout are the supplement companies, when truly the post-workout anabolic window is open a long ass time. The only time it is necessary to eat immediately post-workout is if you're coming off a 48-72 hour fast, or performing multiple glycogen-depleting exercises in a single day.

P.S. protein shakes are non-essential! You can get all your protein from meat or dairy or whatever and see the same exact results.

Okay, everyone keeps talking about multivitamins and ignores my comments regarding high levels of folic acid and vitamin E and the possible link to cancer and generally higher rates of mortality. I'm going to do you all a righteous and drop some science in this thread because I care about you bros:

"Among the 643 men who were randomly assigned to placebo or supplementation with folic acid, the estimated probability of being diagnosed with prostate cancer over a 10-year period was 9.7% (95% confidence interval [CI] = 6.5% to 14.5%) in the folic acid group and 3.3% (95% CI = 1.7% to 6.4%) in the placebo group (age-adjusted hazard ratio = 2.63, 95% CI = 1.23 to 5.65, Wald test P = .01). In contrast, baseline dietary folate intake and plasma folate in nonmultivitamin users were inversely associated with risk of prostate cancer, although these associations did not attain statistical significance in adjusted analyses. These findings highlight the potential complex role of folate in prostate cancer and the possibly different effects of folic acid-containing supplements vs natural sources of folate."

-Figueiredo JC, Grau MV, Haile RW, Sandler RS, Summers RW, Bresalier RS, Burke CA, McKeown-Eyssen GE, Baron JA. Folic acid and risk of prostate cancer: results from a randomized clinical trial. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2009 Mar 18;101(6):432-5. Epub 2009 Mar 10.

"In low-bias risk trials, after exclusion of selenium trials, beta carotene (RR, 1.07; 95% CI, 1.02-1.11), vitamin A (RR, 1.16; 95% CI, 1.10-1.24), and vitamin E (RR, 1.04; 95% CI, 1.01-1.07), singly or combined, significantly increased mortality."

-Bjelakovic G, Nikolova D, Gluud LL, Simonetti RG, Gluud C. Mortality in randomized trials of antioxidant supplements for primary and secondary
prevention: systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA. 2007 Feb 28;297(8):842-57. Review. Erratum in: JAMA. 2008 Feb 20;299(7):765-6. - This was a review spanning 385 publications of over 200,000 participants.

"Folic acid was associated with higher risks of having 3 or more adenomas and of noncolorectal cancers."

-Cole BF, Baron JA, Sandler RS, Haile RW, Ahnen DJ, Bresalier RS, McKeown-Eyssen G, Summers RW, Rothstein RI, Burke CA, Snover DC, Church TR, Allen JI, Robertson DJ, Beck GJ, Bond JH, Byers T, Mandel JS, Mott LA, Pearson LH, Barry EL, Rees JR, Marcon N, Saibil F, Ueland PM, Greenberg ER; Polyp Prevention Study Group. Folic acid for the prevention of colorectal adenomas: a randomized clinical trial. JAMA. 2007 Jun 6;297(21):2351-9.

"After a median 39 months of treatment and an additional 38 months of posttrial observational follow-up, 341 participants (10.0%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 288 participants (8.4%) who did not receive such treatment were diagnosed with cancer (hazard ratio [HR], 1.21; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.03-1.41; P = .02). A total of 136 (4.0%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 100 (2.9%) who did not receive such treatment died from cancer (HR, 1.38; 95% CI, 1.07-1.79; P = .01). A total of 548 patients (16.1%) who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12) vs 473 (13.8%) who did not receive such treatment died from any cause (HR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.04-1.33; P = .01). Results were mainly driven by increased lung cancer incidence in participants who received folic acid plus vitamin B(12). Vitamin B(6) treatment was not associated with any significant effects.

Treatment with folic acid plus vitamin B(12) was associated with increased cancer outcomes and all-cause mortality in patients with ischemic heart disease in Norway, where there is no folic acid fortification of foods."

-Ebbing M, Bønaa KH, Nygård O, Arnesen E, Ueland PM, Nordrehaug JE, Rasmussen K, Njølstad I, Refsum H, Nilsen DW, Tverdal A, Meyer K, Vollset SE. Cancer incidence and mortality after treatment with folic acid and vitamin B12. JAMA. 2009 Nov 18;302(19):2119-26.

Just something to consider, bros. Always make sure your vitamins are water soluble. But ideally if you're leading a healthy lifestyle as is and getting plenty of whole, micronutrient-rich foods, then a multi is just a waste. Buy micros based on where your diet is lacking, and supplement specifically. If you don't get a lot of calcium, buy calcium. If you don't get a lot of vitamin C, buy that. There's too much risk with multivitamins if it's THIS easy to find clinical trials showing a potential cancer link to high intakes of folic acid and vitamin E (and potentially vitamin A).

site your sources bro.

Steroids gets it faster.

Alex, I eat pasta and other carbs occasionally, but I do not by any means avoid carbs. I just mostly prefer to eat oats and fruits because they are more of a natural source of sugar (the fruits at least). I try to focus on avoid most processed sources of carbohydrates. I also eat a lot of nuts and cheese so I have higher concentrations of fat in my diet.

ao_ wrote:Alex, I eat pasta and other carbs occasionally, but I do not by any means avoid carbs. I just mostly prefer to eat oats and fruits because they are more of a natural source of sugar (the fruits at least). I try to focus on avoid most processed sources of carbohydrates. I also eat a lot of nuts and cheese so I have higher concentrations of fat in my diet.

funny you say that because I eat pasta and other carbs occasionally, but I do not by any means avoid carbs. I just mostly prefer to eat oats and fruits because they are more of a natural source of sugar (the fruits at least). I try to focus on avoid most processed sources of carbohydrates. I also eat a lot of nuts and cheese so I have higher concentrations of fat in my diet.

SpoonIsBad wrote:site your sources bro.

What do you want sources for, brah.

Rambizzle wrote:

ao_ wrote:Alex, I eat pasta and other carbs occasionally, but I do not by any means avoid carbs. I just mostly prefer to eat oats and fruits because they are more of a natural source of sugar (the fruits at least). I try to focus on avoid most processed sources of carbohydrates. I also eat a lot of nuts and cheese so I have higher concentrations of fat in my diet.

funny you say that because I eat pasta and other carbs occasionally, but I do not by any means avoid carbs. I just mostly prefer to eat oats and fruits because they are more of a natural source of sugar (the fruits at least). I try to focus on avoid most processed sources of carbohydrates. I also eat a lot of nuts and cheese so I have higher concentrations of fat in my diet.

Aware.

Yeah that's cool, Andrew. Just making sure you're not a carbophobe :} That Fathead movie...it's changed people for the worse.

Where do these fall into this Alex?

Come on Joey!

Alright since im the bad ass of DOD 1.3

I weigh 126 lost 15 ponds since I broke my leg , and Im trying to gain it back
I can bench 130
I don't use shit just eating for now, Fruits vegetables and junk.
Barely working out over the summer since it 106 outside, But I work out about once a week.

and I suck a DOD woot!

Oh god blackhawk. Join a wrestling team

alex kirk wrote:Protein powder is fine although ON is way more expensive than other brands.

5lbs tubs for $42.50 isn't expensive And you pay $50 for your whey (yes, I get the slightly more expensive natural as well :p)?

I'm far from worried about developing cancer due to multis.

rehpyc wrote:

alex kirk wrote:Protein powder is fine although ON is way more expensive than other brands.

5lbs tubs for $42.50 isn't expensive And you pay $50 for your whey (yes, I get the slightly more expensive natural as well :p)?

I'm far from worried about developing cancer due to multis.

lol this. brb not talking on my cellphone, might get dat dere brain cancer.

BSN syntha 6 or ON gold standard ftw.

my shift at work does crossfit.

it's a great program that i think does a great job defining the term 'fitness'. the whole idea is that you're not going to achieve fitness in 90 days, a year or even five years. why be able to bench 400 lbs when you cant even do 40 pushups in a row? why be able to squat twice your body weight once when you cant even squat do a pullup? on the other hand why be able to crank out 200 air squats and not be able to squat your body weight?

i've been doing crossfit for about 6 months now and have noticed a great improvement in my strength, endurance, flexability, and over all health. i really don't believe in supplements. eating healthy, having an active life style, and crushing a workout 3-5 times a week is all you really need.

if interested check out http://www.crossfit.com your local crossfit gym, or search crossfit on youtube and watch some of the workouts.

an example of what i eat now days:
AM 5 eggwhites 1 whole egg, 1 bowl steel cut oatmeal
LUNCH 2 talapia grilled on whole wheat tortilla
SNACK protien shake
DINNER chicken breast, broccolli
SNACK cottage cheese

what is crossfit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzD9BkXGJ1M


addidas crossfit comercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFunBPgPOo

Rambizzle wrote:

rehpyc wrote:

alex kirk wrote:Protein powder is fine although ON is way more expensive than other brands.

5lbs tubs for $42.50 isn't expensive And you pay $50 for your whey (yes, I get the slightly more expensive natural as well :p)?

I'm far from worried about developing cancer due to multis.

lol this. brb not talking on my cellphone, might get dat dere brain cancer.

BSN syntha 6 or ON gold standard ftw.

Brb comparing cell phone + brain cancer correlations to multiple randomized clinical trials showing a cause/effect relationship between high levels of artifical folic acid/vitamin E and cancer development + higher rates of mortality.

You bros ought to read the research before making up your minds. Why put in all the time to get healthy just to develop cancer down the road? What's interesting about multis is how unnecessary they are when someone just eats healthy food. At very best, you're wasting your money. At very worst, you're doing permanent damage to your body.

You explain why you aren't worried by responding to those studies and I'll give it some thought.

willeh wrote:my shift at work does crossfit.

it's a great program that i think does a great job defining the term 'fitness'. the whole idea is that you're not going to achieve fitness in 90 days, a year or even five years. why be able to bench 400 lbs when you cant even do 40 pushups in a row? why be able to squat twice your body weight once when you cant even squat do a pullup? on the other hand why be able to crank out 200 air squats and not be able to squat your body weight?

i've been doing crossfit for about 6 months now and have noticed a great improvement in my strength, endurance, flexability, and over all health. i really don't believe in supplements. eating healthy, having an active life style, and crushing a workout 3-5 times a week is all you really need.

if interested check out http://www.crossfit.com your local crossfit gym, or search crossfit on youtube and watch some of the workouts.

an example of what i eat now days:
AM 5 eggwhites 1 whole egg, 1 bowl steel cut oatmeal
LUNCH 2 talapia grilled on whole wheat tortilla
SNACK protien shake
DINNER chicken breast, broccolli
SNACK cottage cheese

what is crossfit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzD9BkXGJ1M


addidas crossfit comercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFunBPgPOo

Thank goodness you aren't a paleo nut.

an example of what i eat now days:
AM 5 eggwhites 1 whole egg, 1 bowl steel cut oatmeal
LUNCH 2 talapia grilled on whole wheat tortilla
SNACK protien shake
DINNER chicken breast, broccolli
SNACK cottage cheese

<3


1 - 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1/2 cup oatmeal
2 - shake and pbj sandwich
3 - 8 oz chicken breast, potato, spinach
4 - preworkout - 1/2 cup oats, white flood
5 - postworkout - gainer shake
6 - 8 oz chicken, sweet potato, broccoli
7 - milk and pbj or cottage cheese, depends on how i'm feeling


just went on an hst routine as well, advised by j harter

felt real good after first upper body power day

due to pushing carts at costco i went down to about 150, but am now at a comfortable 160 again and continuing to see gains

crossfit, aka "flapping my body around like a retard while hanging onto a bar and calling it a pull up."

GO DO SOME SQUATS, AND THEN SOME DEADLIFTS. THATS THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET JACKED. YOU SQUAT, AND THEN YOU DEADLIFT.

Oh, and drink 1 gallon of milk per day.

Way to skip over my whey comment, jerk. Stop paying too much for yours.

There are an incredible number of things we do/eat that studies have shown to be correlated with hindering our health. Blah blah. One study has 10% vs 8.4% developing cancer.. I'll accept my chances.

lowcarb, you've been talking about working out for ages.. and you're only 160? And if you went down to 150 and up to 160 semi-quickly, it's not lean muscle mass gained.

dont try to argue with alex, he has read every piece of literature, articles, studies and research on the matters of nutrition, and he has been mod repped by the guy who WROTE all of the literature, articles, studies and research. seriously though, he's the most informed and well educated person on the matter of nutritional science i have ever spoken to.

that being said, i tend to think that people who work out as much as we do (myself, alex, sean, brett, not sure about others) tend to need extra vitamins and nutrients beyond what is found in a balanced diet. so, im just hoping i get a relatively painless type of multi-vitamin induced cancer

sevEN wrote:dont try to argue with alex, he has read every piece of literature, articles, studies and research on the matters of nutrition, and he has been mod repped by the guy who WROTE all of the literature, articles, studies and research. seriously though, he's the most informed and well educated person on the matter of nutritional science i have ever spoken to.

that being said, i tend to think that people who work out as much as we do (myself, alex, sean, brett, not sure about others) tend to need extra vitamins and nutrients beyond what is found in a balanced diet. so, im just hoping i get a relatively painless type of multi-vitamin induced cancer

wait... sean lifts???

lol'd @ the doitbig quote

rehpyc wrote:Way to skip over my whey comment, jerk. Stop paying too much for yours.

There are an incredible number of things we do/eat that studies have shown to be correlated with hindering our health. Blah blah. One study has 10% vs 8.4% developing cancer.. I'll accept my chances.

What about your whey comment required a response? I missed it :\ I'm on my cell phone.

I would advise Googling the difference between epidemiological research, and clinical trials. Lots of things have correlations, as you said. The studies I posted are NOT correlational: they can illustrate a cause/effect relationship.

Working out doesn't increase the need for added micronutrients, Joey. If you eat healthy, which I know you do, you are wasting your money with a multivitamin.

That's a lot of meals, lowcarb. I eat 1-2 meals per day (with a pre or post workout shake), and I'll never look back!