by calli » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:03 pm
Pr0n wrote:calli wrote:from spain where they are already used to play with 100 in ping to northern european servers.
that would be also the case for most east coast guys to UK, Sweden, France, Netherlands and German server probably, i dont see the difference in allowing spanish people to play with that ping but exclude (east coast) american players,wether or not then you shoud generalize that rule to a certain ping value like no more then 2 players with a ping exceding pikes of 120ms or the team ping needs to be under 100.
for some people it's simply not possible to build up a mostly euro roster, for example me or linus who are playing like forever with and in the US leagues, i simply dont know enough european people to create a team (i think there are like 4-6 people which come to mind and there are personal issues which would never let this team happen). besides that i would rather like to play with people i've been playing matches/scrims/12 mans with the last years, then to start searching people or hoping to find a team where i hardly know anybody and in the worst cases they are unwilling to speak english or being total dicks.
I get where you are coming from since your team is a team that this matter concerns right now. But you need to look att this objectivly or from our view, which the league is for.
Some people from Spain ping 60, some ping 90. To say that all spanish people ping 100 was wrong of me. Ping is something that changes. Some days you can ping 60 to a server that you usually ping 35 to and you have no idea why. Probably some stations that are congested.
Let's say you have a team where one NA guy suddenly have 120 ping, when he usually have 95 to a certain european server and there's nothing he can do about it to change that. He is late for the game and there's no guy around to replace him. So we let him play this one time. Then people start harrassing me that I allowed a guy with 120 ping to play. And people with higher ping start claiming that they should be able to play as well. Where does it stop?
The other day our UK guy, DinG, pinged 110 or 120 to our server in Sweden. That is how different people can ping to a server, even though you are not that far away.
Switching server after one half is not relevant.
If you cant build up a roster with 4 euro players, do you feel that the euro division is where you should play?
While ping can differ, Spain is Spain and wont move any further away from the rest of Europe. We cant make such unclear or diffuse rules. If you were to generalize the ping of 10 players from Spain playing on a server in Germany and 10 NA players. You would probably find that the average ping for the spainards would be 20ms less then for the NA's.
This rule wont change, for now. If this goes well, we might consider making it 3, next season.
Euro's dont bite, you can always post on the zP forum or here, that you are looking for players for your team. There are players on my steam still looking for a team. Just put yourselfs out there, and I'm positive you will get answers.
If you still feel like you wanna discuss this, add me on steam.
[quote="Pr0n"][quote="calli"]from spain where they are already used to play with 100 in ping to northern european servers. [/quote]
that would be also the case for most east coast guys to UK, Sweden, France, Netherlands and German server probably, i dont see the difference in allowing spanish people to play with that ping but exclude (east coast) american players,wether or not then you shoud generalize that rule to a certain ping value like no more then 2 players with a ping exceding pikes of 120ms or the team ping needs to be under 100.
for some people it's simply not possible to build up a mostly euro roster, for example me or linus who are playing like forever with and in the US leagues, i simply dont know enough european people to create a team (i think there are like 4-6 people which come to mind and there are personal issues which would never let this team happen). besides that i would rather like to play with people i've been playing matches/scrims/12 mans with the last years, then to start searching people or hoping to find a team where i hardly know anybody and in the worst cases they are unwilling to speak english or being total dicks.[/quote]
I get where you are coming from since your team is a team that this matter concerns right now. But you need to look att this objectivly or from our view, which the league is for.
Some people from Spain ping 60, some ping 90. To say that all spanish people ping 100 was wrong of me. Ping is something that changes. Some days you can ping 60 to a server that you usually ping 35 to and you have no idea why. Probably some stations that are congested.
Let's say you have a team where one NA guy suddenly have 120 ping, when he usually have 95 to a certain european server and there's nothing he can do about it to change that. He is late for the game and there's no guy around to replace him. So we let him play this one time. Then people start harrassing me that I allowed a guy with 120 ping to play. And people with higher ping start claiming that they should be able to play as well. Where does it stop?
The other day our UK guy, DinG, pinged 110 or 120 to our server in Sweden. That is how different people can ping to a server, even though you are not that far away.
Switching server after one half is not relevant.
If you cant build up a roster with 4 euro players, do you feel that the euro division is where you should play?
While ping can differ, Spain is Spain and wont move any further away from the rest of Europe. We cant make such unclear or diffuse rules. If you were to generalize the ping of 10 players from Spain playing on a server in Germany and 10 NA players. You would probably find that the average ping for the spainards would be 20ms less then for the NA's.
This rule wont change, for now. If this goes well, we might consider making it 3, next season.
Euro's dont bite, you can always post on the zP forum or here, that you are looking for players for your team. There are players on my steam still looking for a team. Just put yourselfs out there, and I'm positive you will get answers.
If you still feel like you wanna discuss this, add me on steam.