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by **knockout** » Wed May 15, 2013 12:54 pm

If every team dies, which I think is a real possibility right now, we won't have to worry about this.

by **stile** » Wed May 15, 2013 5:58 am

How about no playoffs. Everyone is a winner.

by **Swiss** » Mon May 13, 2013 9:43 am

no double elimination for playoffs. bo3 for finals (and semifinals possibly). first 2 matches played on first sunday, then set up another date for 3rd match. done.

by **k4b00m** » Sun May 12, 2013 1:41 pm

Miller` wrote:
tenks wrote:dbl elimination should only be reserved for SoCAL LANS in small lan centers' with uneven rows and setups, with only 10 hours to play a complete tournament and 37 minutes to play each 40 minute matche, duh! Geez. haven't we learned anything?

Forgot to mention the A/C going out.

Sounds like w2z 2007.

by **Miller`** » Sun May 12, 2013 4:57 am

tenks wrote:dbl elimination should only be reserved for SoCAL LANS in small lan centers' with uneven rows and setups, with only 10 hours to play a complete tournament and 37 minutes to play each 40 minute matche, duh! Geez. haven't we learned anything?

Forgot to mention the A/C going out.

by **tenks** » Sun May 12, 2013 12:16 am

moosh wrote:
tenks wrote:dbl elimination should only be reserved for SoCAL LANS in small lan centers' with uneven rows and setups, with only 10 hours to play a complete tournament and 37 minutes to play each 40 minute matche, duh! Geez. haven't we learned anything?

obv you never went to a socal lan. mwooooosh!

by **tenks** » Sat May 11, 2013 1:42 am

dbl elimination should only be reserved for SoCAL LANS in small lan centers' with uneven rows and setups, with only 10 hours to play a complete tournament and 37 minutes to play each 40 minute matche, duh! Geez. haven't we learned anything?

by **stealthlol** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:43 pm

toxinatoR wrote:
stealthlol wrote:I skipped half the responses, so I apologize if this was said, but...

To everybody saying, "this season was ten weeks long, it'd be so long with double elimination." Usually seasons have eight weeks, plus two of preseason and playoffs. That adds up to a ten week season and then playoffs...

Also, play two per weeks, blah blah blah. I like it. Thumbs up, Ben.
13 week season with 3 off weeks. That's a long season. 2013 We pretty much know what teams will be in the final 4. Why postpone it?

It's still exactly the same as every other season. Two weeks preseason, eight regular, and random weeks off for holidays or sports or something else = 13 week season. In other words, this season is identical to the last except teams will go into the playoffs with ten matches in their score instead of eight.

That being said, I don't care if it's double elimination or not. I like them, apparently 95% of the people posting in this thread are losing their shit over the idea, so it's quite obvious what the solution will be.

by **lerfooled** » Fri May 10, 2013 5:42 pm

i think a bo3 every round could work in the playoffs as long as you restrict each bo3 round to one night.

by **motive** » Fri May 10, 2013 5:02 pm

I voted yes for double elim playoffs but now realizing the amount of time it would add to the season I don't think it's feasible.

Better solution: Bo3 or Bo5 finals, map pool, teams nominate/eliminate maps, repeat, five maps remain, play those maps, finals might be fucking interesting now.

by **knockout** » Fri May 10, 2013 4:26 pm

toxinatoR wrote:
Quikey wrote: This.

Plus, we all know (long) before the season ends who the best team is in each division. Isn't the fun of a 1 game playoff the fact that any team could potentially beat any other team? If we did a bo3 the better team will win damn near every time. That seems to diminish the importance of the match imo. If it works for the NFL, why shouldn't it work for us?
It works in the NFL because there are only so many games a football player can endure. If the Superbowl was best of 3, I probably wouldn't have seen my Giants win two superbowls in the last 6 years.

Not to mention the much smaller skill gap...

by **Miller`** » Fri May 10, 2013 4:05 pm

Takes too long to get to a championship that in reality nobody really cares about. I'd be fine to take the top two teams play the championship and start the next season. A lot of teams not playing leads to more people not playing and leaving the game.

by **SnoopS** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:50 pm

toxinatoR wrote:

It works in the NFL because there are only so many games a football player can endure. If the Superbowl was best of 3, I probably wouldn't have seen my Giants win two superbowls in the last 6 years.

by **toxinatoR** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:38 pm

Quikey wrote: This.

Plus, we all know (long) before the season ends who the best team is in each division. Isn't the fun of a 1 game playoff the fact that any team could potentially beat any other team? If we did a bo3 the better team will win damn near every time. That seems to diminish the importance of the match imo. If it works for the NFL, why shouldn't it work for us?

It works in the NFL because there are only so many games a football player can endure. If the Superbowl was best of 3, I probably wouldn't have seen my Giants win two superbowls in the last 6 years.

by **Quikey** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:27 pm

k4b00m wrote:that shit drags on forever, to the point where people forget dod even exists. It prolongs the season so much that the teams that are out get bored and quit dod.

This.

Plus, we all know (long) before the season ends who the best team is in each division. Isn't the fun of a 1 game playoff the fact that any team could potentially beat any other team? If we did a bo3 the better team will win damn near every time. That seems to diminish the importance of the match imo. If it works for the NFL, why shouldn't it work for us?

by **Hudson`** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:21 pm

toxinatoR wrote: You have the two best teams in each division playing that is the difference. If anything it gives you the chance of NOT having an upset. Like corey said a fluke ninja cap, a teams bad map, or 3 garand wiffs on a guy at trip box on harrington. You have two other maps to prove yourself.

by **milo** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:05 pm

I like the idea of a Double Elimination, but I don't think it's plausible. From previous experience in DoDDrafts and what not, people have a hard time showing up to matches during weekdays, so I don't see how a Double Elimination would really work.

by **knockout** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:21 pm

I spy a three week layoff in the upper bracket. What the actual fuck

by **toxinatoR** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:19 pm

cassinoroyale wrote: Well, it just don't make sense for me granting the finalists the chance of maybe throwing an upset and not granting the other finalists the same rules too.

You have the two best teams in each division playing that is the difference. If anything it gives you the chance of NOT having an upset. Like corey said a fluke ninja cap, a teams bad map, or 3 garand wiffs on a guy at trip box on harrington. You have two other maps to prove yourself.

cassinoroyale wrote: Frankly, at this point of DoD, the more matches the better. Even if it turns down to more weeks of playoffs. That means more matches after all. Then, in between the semi and finals, maybe we should be organizing Fast cups for the teams who couldn't make it to later phases. There's plenty of room for doing things outside the usual. For me, double elimination doesn't make sense as well, it really makes playoffs too long (draft formula).

The season is already 16 weeks long I don't see the point of prolonging it having people sit out and watch 6 weeks of playoffs that they're not involved in. And we all know how "mini cups" and "mini drafts" work.

by **sevEN** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:31 pm

please do not do double elimination. i'd rather have shorter seasons and more of them than drag the current seasons out 3-4 weeks longer. it's also a 6 or 8 team invite division. why play each other 3 times during the season and then have to do double elim in playoffs? it's overkill.

i think single elim everything up until the finals, which can be best of 3

by **JaGGoNdd** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:29 pm

the ONLY plausible option at all involving double elimination is having a best of 3 final. having full double elimination playoffs, as jared and a few other people have stated already, would essentially take a typical season length and DOUBLE it. this whole idea should be squashed right now and focus should be turned on whether to have bo3 finals or not, and nothing more. though some of you may support this idea now, when it comes time to actually go through with this type of schedule I can assure you that most of you will change your stance. the initial playoff rounds should be played out as always and the finals either as a normal final or a best of 3 so that the winner doesn't get the title based on a flukey situation such as one team being better on that specific map or something. and it should be that you play the first 2 matches on that sunday night, no matter what, then if the 3rd map is necessary, it gets played the following sunday, thus extending the season by only 1 week rather than 3-9 weeks. just my 6 cents

by **greetz** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:28 pm

toxinatoR wrote:
stealthlol wrote:I skipped half the responses, so I apologize if this was said, but...

To everybody saying, "this season was ten weeks long, it'd be so long with double elimination." Usually seasons have eight weeks, plus two of preseason and playoffs. That adds up to a ten week season and then playoffs...

Also, play two per weeks, blah blah blah. I like it. Thumbs up, Ben.
Sunday, Apr 7th 9:00 pm EDT dod_lennon_b2 Week 1
Sunday, Apr 14th 9:00 pm EDT dod_aleutian Week 2
Sunday, Apr 21st 9:00 pm EDT dod_railroad2_b2 Week 3
Sunday, Apr 28th 9:00 pm EDT dod_emmanuel Week 4
Sunday, May 5th 9:00 pm EDT dod_anzio Week 5
WEEK OFF MAY 12TH
Sunday, May 19th 9:00 pm EDT dod_halle_b2 Week 6
WEEK OFF MAY 26TH
Sunday, Jun 2nd 9:00 pm EDT dod_harrington Week 7
Sunday, Jun 9th 9:00 pm EDT dod_donner Week 8
Sunday, Jun 16th 9:00 pm EDT dod_solitude_b2 Week 9
Sunday, Jun 23rd 9:00 pm EDT dod_chemille Week 10
Sunday, Jun 30th 9:00 pm EDT dod_harrington Quarters
WEEK OFF JULY 7TH
Sunday, Jul 14th 9:00 pm EDT dod_lennon_b2 Semis
Sunday, Jul 21st 9:00 pm EDT dod_railroad2_b2 Finals

13 week season with 3 off weeks. That's a long season. 2013 We pretty much know what teams will be in the final 4. Why postpone it?

by **nunz** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:26 pm

if it aint broke, why change it?

by **k4b00m** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:23 pm

FUCK double elimination. It takes so long. Everytime I've ever played a double elimination bracket, that shit drags on forever, to the point where people forget dod even exists. It prolongs the season so much that the teams that are out get bored and quit dod.

by **cassinoroyale** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:21 pm

toxinatoR wrote:
cassinoroyale wrote:if we're doing bo3, it should be for the playoffs not only for finals or semi finals.

qtr, semi and finals with bo3 4tw!
You do realize there is the potential to have 9 weeks of playoffs if each round was best of 3 and we played 1 match per week (although very slim chance but a possibility). That would just be absolutely chaotic and idiotic to do. You'd have some teams sweep while other teams have to sit around and wait for consolation matches. Not every team can play more than one match per week. Why would we inconvenience teams at the most important point of the season? Imo. Best of 3 finals and do all 3 matches in a 2 week span. First two on the first night if possible.

Well, it just don't make sense for me granting the finalists the chance of maybe throwing an upset and not granting the other finalists the same rules too. Frankly, at this point of DoD, the more matches the better. Even if it turns down to more weeks of playoffs. That means more matches after all. Then, in between the semi and finals, maybe we should be organizing Fast cups for the teams who couldn't make it to later phases. There's plenty of room for doing things outside the usual. For me, double elimination doesn't make sense as well, it really makes playoffs too long (draft formula). On regards to the bo3 idea I think most of teams would be able to play a 2nd match right after their first. Judging the schedules, the majority of teams that schedule for later times are always the upper teams, not the mid/open level teams. It's not my call anyways but I'd do a bo3 with two matches played in the same day and a 3rd match, if necessary, being played during the week (we don't have any other tournament and most of the nerds show up to scrim during the week) for quarters, semis and finals. That's my 2 cents.

by **toxinatoR** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:19 pm

stealthlol wrote:I skipped half the responses, so I apologize if this was said, but...

To everybody saying, "this season was ten weeks long, it'd be so long with double elimination." Usually seasons have eight weeks, plus two of preseason and playoffs. That adds up to a ten week season and then playoffs...

Also, play two per weeks, blah blah blah. I like it. Thumbs up, Ben.

Sunday, Apr 7th 9:00 pm EDT dod_lennon_b2 Week 1
Sunday, Apr 14th 9:00 pm EDT dod_aleutian Week 2
Sunday, Apr 21st 9:00 pm EDT dod_railroad2_b2 Week 3
Sunday, Apr 28th 9:00 pm EDT dod_emmanuel Week 4
Sunday, May 5th 9:00 pm EDT dod_anzio Week 5
WEEK OFF MAY 12TH
Sunday, May 19th 9:00 pm EDT dod_halle_b2 Week 6
WEEK OFF MAY 26TH
Sunday, Jun 2nd 9:00 pm EDT dod_harrington Week 7
Sunday, Jun 9th 9:00 pm EDT dod_donner Week 8
Sunday, Jun 16th 9:00 pm EDT dod_solitude_b2 Week 9
Sunday, Jun 23rd 9:00 pm EDT dod_chemille Week 10
Sunday, Jun 30th 9:00 pm EDT dod_harrington Quarters
WEEK OFF JULY 7TH
Sunday, Jul 14th 9:00 pm EDT dod_lennon_b2 Semis
Sunday, Jul 21st 9:00 pm EDT dod_railroad2_b2 Finals

13 week season with 3 off weeks. That's a long season. 2013 We pretty much know what teams will be in the final 4. Why postpone it?

by **toxinatoR** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:07 pm

Playoff Format Poll
This is just a poll to see how many people would like playoffs to be double elimination. All matches would still be played on Sundays and only 1 match per night.

Would you prefer playoffs to be double elimination?
Yes
64%
No
36%

Off of TPG website.

One match per week.

cassinoroyale wrote:if we're doing bo3, it should be for the playoffs not only for finals or semi finals.

qtr, semi and finals with bo3 4tw!

You do realize there is the potential to have 9 weeks of playoffs if each round was best of 3 and we played 1 match per week (although very slim chance but a possibility). That would just be absolutely chaotic and idiotic to do. You'd have some teams sweep while other teams have to sit around and wait for consolation matches. Not every team can play more than one match per week. Why would we inconvenience teams at the most important point of the season? Imo. Best of 3 finals and do all 3 matches in a 2 week span. First two on the first night if possible.

by **tugger** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:00 pm

Good idea for the finals only. All the playoff is overkill, some people can barely show up for 1 match, imagine what it would be if it was a best of three...

by **Jakimo** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:15 pm

hildebrand wrote:
toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

wut. Why would you want to make it any longer?

With 8 teams in every division it would be a 4 week playoff schedule. Just condense it.

OPTION #1: Make the losers bracket play more matches in some of the nights.
OPTION #2: If you lose in the 1st round then you are out for good, 2nd round creates the losers brackets?

by **Polak** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:21 am

hildebrand wrote:
toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

wut. Why would you want to make it any longer?

With 8 teams in every division it would be a 4 week playoff schedule. Just condense it.

OPTION #1: Make the losers bracket play more matches in some of the nights.
OPTION #2: If you lose in the 1st round then you are out for good, 2nd round creates the losers brackets?

BRO did you go to school for graphic design? That's fucking talent bro, just quit dod and focus on that.

by **lerfooled** » Fri May 10, 2013 12:59 am

by **knockout** » Thu May 09, 2013 10:26 pm

hildebrand wrote:
toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

wut. Why would you want to make it any longer?

With 8 teams in every division it would be a 4 week playoff schedule. Just condense it.

OPTION #1: Make the losers bracket play more matches in some of the nights.
OPTION #2: If you lose in the 1st round then you are out for good, 2nd round creates the losers brackets?

There is a tool bar in MS paint.

by **hildebrand** » Thu May 09, 2013 10:14 pm

And yes, bo3

by **hildebrand** » Thu May 09, 2013 10:12 pm

toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

wut. Why would you want to make it any longer?

With 8 teams in every division it would be a 4 week playoff schedule. Just condense it.

OPTION #1: Make the losers bracket play more matches in some of the nights.
OPTION #2: If you lose in the 1st round then you are out for good, 2nd round creates the losers brackets?

by **stealthlol** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:24 pm

I skipped half the responses, so I apologize if this was said, but...

To everybody saying, "this season was ten weeks long, it'd be so long with double elimination." Usually seasons have eight weeks, plus two of preseason and playoffs. That adds up to a ten week season and then playoffs...

Also, play two per weeks, blah blah blah. I like it. Thumbs up, Ben.

by **Jakimo** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:11 pm

^boom

by **SKiNnTo** » Thu May 09, 2013 4:08 pm

Play 2 matches each week. DONE! Many of you scrim prior to your match, fuck the scrim!

by **cassinoroyale** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:59 pm

if we're doing bo3, it should be for the playoffs not only for finals or semi finals.

qtr, semi and finals with bo3 4tw!

by **fusioN** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:33 pm

Although I don't play in league play all too much anymore, I think the bo3 for the finals (maybe the semis as well?) is a really good idea.

by **reddogg** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:26 pm

agreed with tox

by **nhoj** » Thu May 09, 2013 3:11 pm

toxinatoR wrote: Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

this

by **Sears** » Thu May 09, 2013 2:50 pm

The idea of double elimination is great, and obviously preferable to single elimination.

But, with the season being 10 weeks long, being delayed multiple times by holidays and what not, and the turbulence of people being less active because it's spring/summer with a few teams already not making it through the season, it doesn't seem to me like this is the best season to try and implement it.

However, I think it's worth looking at doing it in future seasons. An 8 week season (no pre-season) with a double elimination playoff would be really fun.

I also like jared's idea of doing the finals 2 out of 3.

by **nunz** » Thu May 09, 2013 2:50 pm

sevEN wrote:
toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

this

by **Crono** » Thu May 09, 2013 2:34 pm

I like the idea of double elimination however with the season already 10 weeks plus playoffs that already seems long enough. If season was 8 week or 7 double wouldn't bother me. Either way w.e is best for community i'm down.

by **sevEN** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:50 pm

toxinatoR wrote:Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

this

by **dorraj** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:46 pm

by **toxinatoR** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:39 pm

Double Elimination turns 3 weeks of playoffs into 6 weeks. Seems a tad too long considering it's a 10 week season. Invite looks like it might be down to 6 teams soon.. Imo. Best of 3 for finals.. First two matches get played on the first sunday and if a 3rd is needed it gets played the next week.

by **Jakimo** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:16 pm

seems like all the invite main players dont like the idea. and all the IM open players do. theres your answer. just dont get jelly when we got scrims/matches up the ass when u guys are posting "6v6 pm us" all evening.

it will however be easier if we get a chance to play the second one after later on sunday. there are so many teams on looking to play after their matches...

by **wintehs** » Thu May 09, 2013 1:13 pm

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