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arnsk wrote:

scorch- wrote:

arnsk wrote:When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

What the fuck are you talking about? Why do you need to bind +duck to mwheel to crouch hop over obstacles? Crouch hopping is not banned. Binding the command to mwheel and spamming it while running (just like spamming hand signals) is illegal because it's stupid and breaks the game.

It's not like I run around spamming it (derp), it definitely is a lot more efficient to execute a crouch hop after a sprint...

mare wrote:

shoguNtw wrote:

Polak wrote:Is there a real argument about this?

Don't bind crouch to mouse wheel it fucks up the hit boxes. Or to shoot a carbine. Well you should just be banned if you use a carbine.



I use mouse wheel up to jump that's about it.

yeah fucks up the hitboxes in this 25 year old game that has perfect hit boxes without crouch hopping

Yeah!!! The game is already so messed up, dead and broken (lolz), what's the harm in making myself 10 times harder to hit by fucking around with mousewheel binds?

What?

shoguNtw wrote:

Polak wrote:Is there a real argument about this?

Don't bind crouch to mouse wheel it fucks up the hit boxes. Or to shoot a carbine. Well you should just be banned if you use a carbine.



I use mouse wheel up to jump that's about it.

yeah fucks up the hitboxes in this 25 year old game that has perfect hit boxes without crouch hopping

Polak wrote:Is there a real argument about this?

Don't bind crouch to mouse wheel it fucks up the hit boxes. Or to shoot a carbine. Well you should just be banned if you use a carbine.



I use mouse wheel up to jump that's about it.

scorch- wrote:

arnsk wrote:When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

What the fuck are you talking about? Why do you need to bind +duck to mwheel to crouch hop over obstacles? Crouch hopping is not banned. Binding the command to mwheel and spamming it while running (just like spamming hand signals) is illegal because it's stupid and breaks the game.

Hudson` wrote:WAKE UP SHEEPLE. Facist neo-conservative TPG Admins like Tin Bad (Was he even born in America? Wheres the birth certificate?) are trying to enslave us by poisoning our water and removing one +mwheel bind at a time. Soon our mouse wheels will be useless.

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Hudson` wrote:Is knockout using invisible ink or something? Are people not even reading his posts? Because I'm pretty sure he's nailed it like 5 or 6 times now.

Let's note the difference between theory and practice here. In broad stroke theory, it's completely absurd to make a rule saying that you can bind a particular command to any key you want except this one. This is some George Carlin Seven Dirty Words shit, right? People should be able to customize their settings amirite? Philosophically, I'm with you, bros.

Hmmm...but wait....I wonder what would happen if someone abused this bind? I know, sounds crazy, but lets Gedanken this shit for a moment...

knockout wrote: When a player model is constantly going between duck and standing, their hitboxes are constantly switching from duck hitboxes to standing hitboxes. There is no fluid movement for these, so you're basically playing hitbox roulette when you try to shoot a player who is doing this....... If your hitboxes are in an area where your player model isn't, that means an enemy player can shoot your model and not register a hit. I didn't think I'd really have to explain this.

Welp then. That pretty much fucking clears it up, don't it?

Also, because I can't resist

arnsk wrote:That's probably the most unreasonable ban I've seen in my opinion. I used to play a ton of kz_maps or surf_maps, having crouch bound to +mwheelup/down is a necessity. If you DON'T you are simply behind the curve.

Yeah. Totally. Let's build our rulebook for competitive DoD on what works -- in a different game -- for maps where the goal is to climb your electronic character to the top of a giant beanpole in the sky.

kirk wrote:

stile wrote:do you even write what you read before you type it

Do you even read what I post before you respond?

Hint: I didn't say that bind doesn't make a difference, but I was sarcastically alluding to the fact that it did not make an "insurmountable" difference. Goodness it was a hyperbolic statement, you should have been able to see I was being sarcastic.

milo wrote:Interesting thread

shoguNtw wrote:shogun will now only miss 1 week in american dod

ward wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:

stile wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:

stile wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:

stile wrote:

cassinoroyale wrote:

motive wrote: Most people follow the rules just because they're the rules, not because they'll get caught.

cassinoroyale wrote:

motive wrote:

shoguNtw wrote:fucks the point of the rule if you there was no way to find out someone was using the bind.

Most people follow the rules just because they're the rules, not because they'll get caught.

mike? wrote:Y'ALL THINK THIS IS A FUCKING GAME?

motive wrote:

shoguNtw wrote:fucks the point of the rule if you there was no way to find out someone was using the bind.

Most people follow the rules just because they're the rules, not because they'll get caught.

shoguNtw wrote:fucks the point of the rule if you there was no way to find out someone was using the bind.

shoguNtw wrote: there is no way to prove it does anything to hit boxes. i was told there was nothing admins could do to detect the bind until now but yet it has been illegal for how long? fucks the point of the rule if you there was no way to find out someone was using the bind. it has been illegal for a long time now and this is the first suspension ive seen from it...lol

stile wrote:Based off first hand experience, using the mousewheel to crouch hop doesn't make a huge difference in hit registry. I've used it since dpk and still manage to go negative. I would have kept it bound if kaboom hadn't told me before the match it was illegal. Unbinding it was probably the main reason why I did so shitty that match. I'd prefer it wasn't illegal as I don't think it makes as big a difference as some people appear to claim and I wouldn't be so shitty.

Other cvar's like lightgamma I understand, but to my knowledge DoD was patched and lightgamma can't be changed anymore. I used to play with lightgamma back in the day also and figured everyone else did as well so it wasn't a huge deal. Come to think of it I also changed my m_pitch haha.

I like your style sloth. Keep doing what you're doing.

stile wrote:Unbinding it was probably the main reason why I did so shitty that match.

arnsk wrote:That's probably the most unreasonable ban I've seen in my opinion. I used to play a ton of kz_maps or surf_maps, having crouch bound to +mwheelup/down is a necessity. If you DON'T you are simply behind the curve. When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

That kind of mind set fits well strategically in a video game like this. I don't think it effects the game negatively. I don't see it being a problem. If that's the case ban crouch-hop-shots because I have been using mwheel for +duck for years.

arnsk wrote:That's probably the most unreasonable ban I've seen in my opinion. I used to play a ton of kz_maps or surf_maps, having crouch bound to +mwheelup/down is a necessity. If you DON'T you are simply behind the curve. When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

That kind of mind set fits well strategically in a video game like this. I don't think it effects the game negatively. I don't see it being a problem. If that's the case ban crouch-hop-shots because I have been using mwheel for +duck for years.

knockout wrote: When a player model is constantly going between duck and standing, their hitboxes are constantly switching from duck hitboxes to standing hitboxes. There is no fluid movement for these, so you're basically playing hitbox roulette when you try to shoot a player who is doing this....... If your hitboxes are in an area where your player model isn't, that means an enemy player can shoot your model and not register a hit. I didn't think I'd really have to explain this.

arnsk wrote:That's probably the most unreasonable ban I've seen in my opinion. I used to play a ton of kz_maps or surf_maps, having crouch bound to +mwheelup/down is a necessity. If you DON'T you are simply behind the curve.

arnsk wrote:That's probably the most unreasonable ban I've seen in my opinion. I used to play a ton of kz_maps or surf_maps, having crouch bound to +mwheelup/down is a necessity. If you DON'T you are simply behind the curve. When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

That kind of mind set fits well strategically in a video game like this. I don't think it effects the game negatively. I don't see it being a problem. If that's the case ban crouch-hop-shots because I have been using mwheel for +duck for years.

I guess I see binding one action to a key via the built in GUI in order to better utilize a built in feature of the game as being much different than loading/writing a full on script in your config in order to eliminate a built in function of the game, yes.

I also don't see how using it in the manner that would supposedly "screw up" your hit boxes would ever be an actual beneficial thing to do.

arnsk wrote:When you play high level counter-strike I can promise you there is a more broad group of players who will say learning how to strafe jump etc. is a fundamental part of understanding the movement aspect of HL1 mods. IMO crouch/duck hopping etc. is just AS important as it helps you reach objectives more efficiently without absolutely burning your stamina.

sloth wrote:i'm sorry ruthLess, but your behavior simply begs to be made fun of

Spoiler: show

it's all in good fun though

shoguNtw wrote:

sloth wrote:from this:

shoguNtw wrote: It's time to hang it up for a while, as much as I didn't like the suspension it's not the biggest reason I left. Working a lot nowadays and the time away from work I need to be spending with my son and little family I have, I'll be turning the team over to Austin/ Bewton for the remainder of this season

I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

to this:

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

http://nineteeneleven.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2610

youre making your way up the troll ladder quite fast arent ya

Spoiler: show

it's all in good fun though

sloth wrote:from this:

shoguNtw wrote:

mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..

It's time to hang it up for a while, as much as I didn't like the suspension it's not the biggest reason I left. Working a lot nowadays and the time away from work I need to be spending with my son and little family I have, I'll be turning the team over to Austin/ Bewton for the remainder of this season

bullgooselooney wrote: It could have been a lot worse. Ditch your team cause of 3 matches is sad. I bet people also think jump scripts are legal .

I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

to this:

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

knockout wrote:

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

I know you were being sarcastic. I was just pointing out how weak your point was.

First off, this was banned years ago when it was discovered. And guess what? There was no outrage against it, because it is obvious how it ruins the game. When a player model is constantly going between duck and standing, their hitboxes are constantly switching from duck hitboxes to standing hitboxes. There is no fluid movement for these, so you're basically playing hitbox roulette when you try to shoot a player who is doing this. This is why this bind has been, is, and will remain illegal.

Secondly, it absolutely should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve this. This is breaking the fundamentals of a FPS game, and making yourself very hard to hit should not be as easy as tweaking a bind. Doesn't that seem a little bit like making your recoil easier to control by tweaking a command? Just because everyone is capable of doing it doesn't mean it should be done. Everyone is capable of aimbotting, but I don't think it's a good idea to allow that.

crawtona wrote:

akiro wrote:But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

I don't know. I'm still not convinced it would actually make sense to use it in the way that it supposedly causes an unfair advantage, but either way, they aren't going to reverse the rule or anything so I guess the only thing to do is remember to unbind it (and then get stuck on small ledges while scrolling through my weapons like an idiot for a week or two).

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

akiro wrote:But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

crawtona wrote:

motive wrote:This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with fucked up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

crawtona wrote:It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's being used to some great advantage. I've used it to occasionally hop around a corner (incredibly easy to do with CTRL as well) and also to sprint run more efficiently (sprint, crouch hop into a crouch, also go a tick faster down hill, both completely achievable without mousewheel). How would spamming it be used to an advantage? Seems that would fuck you up more than help you.