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by **nik** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:14 am

tugger wrote:
l0ker wrote:so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

no we don't know jackshit about all these teams, did they go to cpl or even knew it existed back then?

I think most of what loker is saying is bs. Although that lille lan was aparantly one of the better known ones. I remember people talking about it back in the day. Inxtremis was also good, but not europe's best.

But the cpl argument is sort of cheap. No euro team ever got sponsorship for cpl. Not even unplugged.

by **An1maL** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:07 am

l0ker wrote: inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan

I vaguely remember that LAN, didn't TWR not really have their best lineup? If I recall correctly they had stickie and some other manager playing. Still, it was a shock that they lost, because inX were never really more than 10-20th in europe (they had ONE good player, Jc). The rest of those clans you mentioned were terrible.

by **yellowteeth** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:59 am

Sorry l0ker but I find it fucking hilarious you keep mentioning LAN's etc, when even yourself got caught cheating on 1.3 "in its height". You're such a dribbling moron, its fantastic.

by **l0ker** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:11 am

lol. ignorant. " LAN that I hosted In parents' basement " LOL

and yeah, we know about cpl but, should you payed our travel ? xD

by **ward** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:37 am

They were so good that they beat American teams on LAN bro! I could win every LAN that I hosted In parents' basement too retard.

by **tugger** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:23 am

l0ker wrote:so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

no we don't know jackshit about all these teams, did they go to cpl or even knew it existed back then?

by **l0ker** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:17 am

ward wrote:I would really like someone to give an example of a time in the history of Day of Defeat where a frenchie team actually won a game in a competitive setting without somebody cheating. It's been so many years of blatant idiots being banned that I've lost track. Thanks again.

PS: You're still bad, and banned.

so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

by **sevEN** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Beas wrote:
An1maL wrote: The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.
Me

ben

by **An1maL** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:18 pm

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1qibpv

by **ohhhhbeeee** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:05 pm

Where's the link to the demos? Did I miss it?

by **ward** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:08 pm

Sup Jai. I'm not saying that they are not capable of being good, just that there are a disproportionate amount of them that have been proven to cheat. NHN was decent, but was never a top tier team in invite, more like middle of the pack. I'm guessing you had juni0r / aero / jizzake playing that match, haha.

by **nik** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:25 am

WindiaN wrote:Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheated when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were fucking hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). Watch the KBC 2 "enhanced" version, that shit still cracks me up. Might not be as funny if you don't know the people though... We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then absolutely destroyed them.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was fucking blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so wtf did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless. If anybody finds it, send it to me! "Fucking ugs junior lu, fuckin' hate that spic."

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

Never knew iron cheated. Really liked his fragmovie :/ .
About sk-fr. I had doubts about if I should mention that their best player was not from france, but a french speaking Belgium. But I figured that it would be pointless , they seem to call everybody frenchie over here. Swizz, canadians, etc .

by **Sears** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:12 pm

WindiaN wrote:Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheated when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were fucking hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). Watch the KBC 2 "enhanced" version, that shit still cracks me up. Might not be as funny if you don't know the people though... We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then absolutely destroyed them.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was fucking blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so wtf did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless. If anybody finds it, send it to me! "Fucking ugs junior lu, fuckin' hate that spic."

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

SS of unibrow or not real.

by **WindiaN** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:39 pm

Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheat when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then proceeded to absolutely destroy them. IIRC it was mostly with nades since his ping was too bad to compete. I remember giving him a nade near spawn (it was on Zafod) because he ran out and he nailed it for 3 kills.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki who was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known that he cheated. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so what did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless.

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

by **mike** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:22 am

hildebrand wrote:
An1maL wrote: The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.
Me.

by **Theworst** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:57 pm

Aimtek didn't cheat.

by **james-** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:18 pm

nik wrote:Gm9XNyERe6Q

that's priceless.

by **Cage** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:23 pm

nhoj wrote:
Too bad fifflaren didn't perform well in the finals, could have been a closer game.

Hahaha yeah he played like shit, didn't even break ten kills over three maps.. Glad I didn't bet any skins on that match.

by **nhoj** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:22 pm

czu wrote:
nhoj wrote:
You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it..
What?

Maybe for some sweds who comments VP's matches like "fcking slavs". This is just stupid... Last time Neo played very good vs Titan(french team). I'm not even talking about what he did during cup in Katowice.

I don't like Russians, but they are the best movie-makers in whole world since many years, movienations site is in 90% russian. Look at some movies by Igor Zotov, Drazen Buncic(this guy is from Serbia) or Bartłomiej Otłowski(polish).

Do you really need to hate someone?

When I was talking about what community in csgo that was most hated,is that according many players russians tend to scream a lot in their mic, tk/tw and act like a retard.( I often queue up with 3-4 friends and never really encounter russians in my team that often).
VP (especially pasha and byali) had a really good tournament and won it with style( from the matches i saw). Too bad fifflaren didn't perform well in the finals, could have been a closer game.
Fanboys of VP, NiP and Titan who takes this game to serious from a viewer perspective when it comes to watching/betting and make threats on the internet clearly does not have a life? You mention a 3 moviemakers without using their nickname, which they are probably more known as(I know who Drazen is from the few montages i have seen from him).

I don't really hate any community, i only dislike certain people and communities(mainly the LoL community).

by **czu** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:06 pm

nhoj wrote:
You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it..

What?

Maybe for some sweds who comments VP's matches like "fcking slavs". This is just stupid... Last time Neo played very good vs Titan(french team). I'm not even talking about what h
e did during cup in Katowice.

I don't like Russians, but they are the best movie-makers in whole world since many years, movienations site is in 90% russian. Look at some movies by Igor Zotov, Drazen Buncic(this guy is from Serbia) or Bartłomiej Otłowski(polish).

Do you really need to hate someone?

by **Cage** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:22 pm

l0ker wrote:
PoweR wrote:

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

Did you just compare being shit talked on a forum and in a video game to being a jew during the holocaust? Come on guy.

by **l0ker** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:52 pm

I don't know if you see in my lasts posts, but, i found the HLTv and looked it, so i found what i need and now i realy don't care about the rest.

by **nhoj** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:39 pm

l0ker wrote:
PoweR wrote:

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it.
I have always enjoyed playing against/with EuS and NoName and talking with them several times a week. Pretty sure I never heard any of them rage/complain(but on other hand, i don't understand french) and it was just scrims.

l0ker, you can find things that countries are known as. For example, USA where overweight is a huge problem and Sweden with people wearing skinny jeans, blonde hair, very good at playing video games and blonde girls

Also, demos should never be released from the AC-team. Would just end up in chaos.

by **hildebrand** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:03 pm

Sears wrote: But, I can say that the policy of not releasing cheater evidence publicly made a whole lot of sense for a league like CAL circa 2006 because there were 5,000 players and a much larger infrastructure of game and operations admins, as well as a whole team of Quality Control admins (lol) whose sole purpose was to review these kind of situations.

While I certainly understand why admins have continued the policy long after the death of CAL, there are a lot of valid arguments to be made for the case that it isn't an ideal policy for the community as it is today. And, the tried and true "we've always done it this way" isn't exactly the most logically sound argument to make in support for the continuation of the "no evidence" policy. This issue has come up enough in the last year or so that in my opinion it's worth re-evaluating and perhaps coming up with a new system that is more transparent, and better suited for the current community.

That being said, you can have whatever negative opinions or personal vendettas that you want in regards to past or present admins (we like to do that a lot in this community), but the reality is that this community has been incredibly lucky to have had as many well-intentioned people take the time to volunteer as admins as it has, and instances of real #absolutepower admin corruption, while they have occurred, have been few and far between in 14 years of DoD.

Why not open the demos up to the DoD community for them to judge if accused cheater is cheating or not? The admins in the end can have a larger part/final say in the vote. Why not get more eyes on the demo? People pointing out different aspects, sketchy scenarios. This would help the AC team lessen the burden on their shoulders as they are always swamped with demos/cheating disputes.

An1maL wrote: The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me.

by **Beas** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:39 am

An1maL wrote: The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:10 am

Gm9XNyERe6Q

by **l0ker** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:33 am

PoweR wrote:

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:32 am

15 year old bnzr was a disaster for himself and any german or french team he played against.

And I do hope Arsenik still have the logs of s0x when we played them with pressure gaming in some league (also while you were playing with us an1mal). Because that was just hilarious and embarrasing behaviour lol. s0x was making a fool of us. Flaming them calling them noob frogs etc while we got owned badly by them the same day.

I think these are the types of situations Power is referring to.

by **PoweR** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:28 am

An1maL wrote:
PoweR wrote:still we get 300% more abuse.
man, where is this abuse you're talking about?

sure there's people saying in this thread 'another french cheater' etc, but look in the karl1san thread at the abuse towards him being argentinan, and if there was a polish or spanish cheater i'm sure it would be the same.

Well it's simple things really (im not just talking about cheater's thread) but when you add them all up (since like 5-6 years) can get pretty annoying. You have all the insults before, during and after the war, all the "jokes" or clear insults on the forums and im not even talking about what some foreign players say when they come playing on french ffa server (bnzr if you heaarrr me).
I also think you know pretty well that french players are less considered on the international scene or you're lying :p
Still i'm not trying to get dramatic, we're not verbally rape it's just really annoying.

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid
edit2 : nevermind :p

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:26 am

jizziztszsz wrote:This would be so easy if there were as much lan's as back in the days. play good at lan should prove enough... imo.

Not sure. I think both Floyd and Noname should be ok on lan.
I am less certain about blank though. And the likes of chriseh and aimtek would be really bad.

by **jizziztszsz** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:19 am

This would be so easy if there were as much lan's as back in the days. play good at lan should prove enough... imo.

by **An1maL** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:16 am

PoweR wrote:still we get 300% more abuse.

man, where is this abuse you're talking about?

sure there's people saying in this thread 'another french cheater' etc, but look in the karl1san thread at the abuse towards him being argentinan, and if there was a polish or spanish cheater i'm sure it would be the same.

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:15 am

also many people joke about calli saving dod etc.

But often it are single persons that are keeping things together. You need these type of persons, especially when dealing with as you put it "closed community's". I think Bibop played a important part in the communication vs france and the other counrtries or in the countless pcws we played. He sort of dropped after the FLoyd ban and all we have now is Loker flaming all the time.

by **PoweR** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:02 am

Well, everytime I have played a french team there is either some guy warping or he's using that god damn mousewheel-duck-unhittable as fuck bind, or is just unhittable in general (wasabi or someone like that?).

Again, i could say the same about spanish teams for example.

And then fact that french people act like it's them against the world, a french player that 12man regularly said that when floyd got banned he was asked to stand up for floyd just because he was french and when he refused to do so he was on the "traitor of france" list.

Im not saying there's nothing wrong with the french community, there's a lot : the "france agaisn't the world" is one of them (and i must be a part of that "traitor of france" list since i didn't suck floyd's dick either) but i don't think there's more than in other countries and still we get 300% more abuse.

I remember going to the tourist shop in paris when on a trip with my family and they wouldn't speak english to me, thats the kind of people I'm supposed to feel bad for when there is always someone exploiting some script etc. when you play them.?

I bet you have also some assholes working in tourist shops in stockholm.

@nik Well nobody liked Su or the P4 teams in France either, there has been some epic shitstorm on dodfrance (french community site). The problem is that we're a kinda closed community for some of the reasons i have said, so you only hear about french player when something bad happens like a cheating case or when we cry after a defeat in .eu officials.

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:59 am

I must say most of the englishmen I know are sort of biassed concerning french

I myself never had any problems with french people untill P4 and Su showed up and started blatantly hacking vs me and hiding his hltv demo's from everyone while still making fragmovies. He also aparantly caught smokk cheating which looked convincing and there was this whole le stinge has no flower argument. But none of these things were ever properly settled. There has been a growing sense of distrust between the community's ever since this period. Anyway, that is how I see it.

I always liked playing vs EUS and Arsenik (even though Wazabi really is unhittable). For a long time playing french clans was the only good opponent you could find. And I hardly ever had any problems. But now I am talking about 2 years ago.

by **Cage** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:45 am

Well, everytime I have played a french team there is either some guy warping or he's using that god damn mousewheel-duck-unhittable as fuck bind, or is just unhittable in general (wasabi or someone like that?).
And then fact that french people act like it's them against the world, a french player that 12man regularly said that when floyd got banned he was asked to stand up for floyd just because he was french and when he refused to do so he was on the "traitor of france" list.
I remember going to the tourist shop in paris when on a trip with my family and they wouldn't speak english to me, thats the kind of people I'm supposed to feel bad for when there is always someone exploiting some script etc. when you play them.?

by **An1maL** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:41 am

PoweR wrote:And what you're saying about the french teams could be applied to pretty much all european communities (german, spanish, polish etc..), yet we're the only one to actually get abused every time on the international forums

dunno, I haven't seen much french abuse outside of the threads where a french player has been banned for cheating...

if there was, it wouldn't be surprising, since the most vocal french person posting on this site is l0ker, not the best ambassador

you are right about the other nationalities, even the UK has chumps like skweek's crew. it just seems that france produces more cheaters than other countries (probably because france has more overall players)

by **PoweR** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:22 am

nik wrote:
PoweR wrote:sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

I don't think there is a real problem. As far as I know clan arsenik (and maybe you also) has always thought both Noname and FLoyd cheated. Wasn't noname on the dod.fr banlist ? The verbal abuse you are talking about is from 1911. Not tpg. Unless ward is still an admin which would be somewhat inappropriate I guess. But 1911 should not be taken too seriously. Every post is sarcastic, cynical or whatever. Even for me it is not easy to know if they are serious (99% of the time they are not). For someone from France I imagine it is even more confusing.

Also no one here takes tony seriously except maybe loker. It would be best if a french european dod player joined the AC team (if there ever is a next tpg.euro). So things won't get out of hand like with the Foyd ban. ALso I don't believe the french who feel wronged ever since the floyd ban. Ever actually disputed any of the non-french players.

I'm not here to discuss if noname actually cheated or not, i don't know and i'm also not here to defend him, he's a big boy.
About the verbal abuse, i'm not just talking about this forum. We never really were taken seriously (rightly or wrongly) by the EU community (despite being one of the biggest community) and i don't expect that it will be the case here.
That being said, i find your idea about a french player in the AC team really good considering the big gap between the "anti cheat system" in the french community and the TPG, it certainly would help to explain the decision to the french community and avoid further shitstorm like the one with Floyd.

@An1maL Really? you just quoted like 6-8 french player you don't actually have trouble with.
And what you're saying about the french teams could be applied to pretty much all european communities (german, spanish, polish etc..), yet we're the only one to actually get abused every time on the international forums, even for a non-french player like me it's getting pretty boring so i can't imagine what they feel like. My point is that i think it's pretty normal to feel a bit suspicious on decisions like this one when you know nobody cares about you.

by **An1maL** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:05 am

PoweR wrote:why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team?

I don't think anybody in this thread has a problem understanding that. Nobody cares though....if they don't trust the TPG ac team, they shouldn't be playing in TPG

PoweR wrote:I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french

The majority of people don't think like that. Nobody has a problem with people like mdk, arsenik guys etc. Sadly, most matches vs french teams in the last few years, you are almost guaranteed to find someone with low rates, someone you suspect of cheating, or someone who was banned in the past.

edit: But I'm sure the ac team doesn't take into account nationality, unless they're a bunch of closet racists

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:44 am

PoweR wrote:sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

I don't think there is a real problem. As far as I know clan arsenik (and maybe you also) has always thought both Noname and FLoyd cheated. Wasn't noname on the dod.fr banlist ? The verbal abuse you are talking about is from 1911. Not tpg. Unless ward is still an admin which would be somewhat inappropriate I guess. But 1911 should not be taken too seriously. Every post is sarcastic, cynical or whatever. Even for me it is not easy to know if they are serious (99% of the time they are not). For someone from France I imagine it is even more confusing.

Also no one here takes tony seriously except maybe loker. It would be best if a french european dod player joined the AC team (if there ever is a next tpg.euro). So things won't get out of hand like with the Foyd ban. ALso I don't believe the french who feel wronged ever since the floyd ban. Ever actually disputed any of the non-french players.

by **PoweR** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:37 am

sorry to get back on the actual ban of noname, but why is it so hard to understand that the french community (what's left of it anyway) don't trust the tpg's AC team? I mean we get flamed pretty much everywhere for being french (or french speaker) and when i see the likes of tonymontana who seems to only wait treads like this one to release all his frustration (no moderation for that?), it makes me wonder if you are actually objective when you have to watch the demos of a french player.

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:24 am

But clanbase was huge at the time.
Wasn't rez also banned from ueda? Or whatever that ban organisation was called. The one that was supposed to sync all bans with all the leagues, but somehow didn't last very long.

I still think bans back then were much worse. A new id wasn't as cheap as it is now, the scene was big and dod mattered more, some people even had dreams of going to cpl or whatever. A ban would have been a problem.

by **An1maL** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:19 am

Oh my, this thread took an unexpected turn into a serious discussion! In the past (when dod was big), euro bans didn't matter so much because generally each league had their own admins and they could only ban players from that league. For example blythe was banned from clanbase but he still played in cdodl, and reZ was banned from CAL but free to play elsewhere. These days if you're banned you're fucked because there's only one league, so we have to be 99% certain there's dodginess afoot. And that's fine because if you feel the need to hack in a 12 year old game with a tiny community, it's a new level of pathetic.

Even so I don't think demos should be released publicly....either we have faith in the anti-cheat team or we don't. If we do have faith in them, then we don't need to see the demos. If we don't have faith in them, then why are they even the AC team?

Personally I CBA to watch a demo of your average Pepé Le Hackeur, I'd rather trust the AC team to judge it. Except in the case of floyd where he wasn't being banned and it got ridiculous.

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

by **nik** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:53 am

Let me post some random mostly unrelated stuff from my brief (I have only been active a few times) experienced with euro dod from 2008-2012 ish (before tpg.eu)

Few leagues no AC team. Enemy down had a AC team consisting of 0 competent admins. Later stin joined, but after this stin got the blame for every person he banned that wasn't 300% blatant and claled corrupt. Also because demo's were all over the place.

At some point in 2008-9 or so calli posted a video and demo of swav aka chrisey blatantly cheating on the community site at the time. Onepointthree.org. Even though this guy was obviously hacking. The entire .eu scene ridiculed calli and said blank was clean.

I have called some german noobs cheater and the german community still laughs at me and treats me like an idiot. You cannot publically win these kind of arguments vs an entire nation. Even though I still claim the idiots cheated and that that entire country is incompetent and I was right and they were obviously wrong.

But even when dealing with the .eu "elite" you end up in total chaos. When trying to get blank banned and discussing this with Blade and clan Arsenik (top french clan). Blade claimed it was just skill and that blank was better than an1mal. Saw nothing wrong with the evidence I showed him untill weeks after the ban. Arsenik on the other hand seemed to have no knowledge of cheats but in a different way. They thought everything was a cheat, but seemed to use the wrong arguments (did not convince me or saw something totally different in the stuff I gave them).

In short the entire scene is clueless. Making stuff public would result in more chaos. Although I doubt it would matter at this point. If the .eu scene was still active the tpg system would be perfect. If they got over the fact that they are just no longer used to people getting banned. Also if a person gets banned here it's 1 year? I believe .eu bans in the past lasted way longer. But people playing dod now wouldn't know this because they never dealt with any sort of AC.

by **Sears** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:49 am

Well, hrm.

It's interesting to me that this has become an issue in the current "dead" era of DoD.

I should preface whatever opinions I might have with the fact that I no longer play DoD, and haven't actively played through a season since 2006. So, my knowledge base as far as what's important to current players is limited to just observing the discussions on 1911 and the personal anecdotes that some of you have shared with me on the subject (both not really a good objective representation of the community as a whole).

But, I can say that the policy of not releasing cheater evidence publicly made a whole lot of sense for a league like CAL circa 2006 because there were 5,000 players and a much larger infrastructure of game and operations admins, as well as a whole team of Quality Control admins (lol) whose sole purpose was to review these kind of situations.

While I certainly understand why admins have continued the policy long after the death of CAL, there are a lot of valid arguments to be made for the case that it isn't an ideal policy for the community as it is today. And, the tried and true "we've always done it this way" isn't exactly the most logically sound argument to make in support for the continuation of the "no evidence" policy. This issue has come up enough in the last year or so that in my opinion it's worth re-evaluating and perhaps coming up with a new system that is more transparent, and better suited for the current community.

That being said, you can have whatever negative opinions or personal vendettas that you want in regards to past or present admins (we like to do that a lot in this community), but the reality is that this community has been incredibly lucky to have had as many well-intentioned people take the time to volunteer as admins as it has, and instances of real #absolutepower admin corruption, while they have occurred, have been few and far between in 14 years of DoD.

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