explain pls?

[nik]

15 year old bnzr was a disaster for himself and any german or french team he played against.

And I do hope Arsenik still have the logs of s0x when we played them with pressure gaming in some league (also while you were playing with us an1mal). Because that was just hilarious and embarrasing behaviour lol. s0x was making a fool of us. Flaming them calling them noob frogs etc while we got owned badly by them the same day.

I think these are the types of situations Power is referring to.

[l0ker]

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

[nik]

Gm9XNyERe6Q

[Beas]

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me

[hildebrand]

But, I can say that the policy of not releasing cheater evidence publicly made a whole lot of sense for a league like CAL circa 2006 because there were 5,000 players and a much larger infrastructure of game and operations admins, as well as a whole team of Quality Control admins (lol) whose sole purpose was to review these kind of situations.

While I certainly understand why admins have continued the policy long after the death of CAL, there are a lot of valid arguments to be made for the case that it isn't an ideal policy for the community as it is today. And, the tried and true "we've always done it this way" isn't exactly the most logically sound argument to make in support for the continuation of the "no evidence" policy. This issue has come up enough in the last year or so that in my opinion it's worth re-evaluating and perhaps coming up with a new system that is more transparent, and better suited for the current community.

That being said, you can have whatever negative opinions or personal vendettas that you want in regards to past or present admins (we like to do that a lot in this community), but the reality is that this community has been incredibly lucky to have had as many well-intentioned people take the time to volunteer as admins as it has, and instances of real #absolutepower admin corruption, while they have occurred, have been few and far between in 14 years of DoD.

Why not open the demos up to the DoD community for them to judge if accused cheater is cheating or not? The admins in the end can have a larger part/final say in the vote. Why not get more eyes on the demo? People pointing out different aspects, sketchy scenarios. This would help the AC team lessen the burden on their shoulders as they are always swamped with demos/cheating disputes.

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me.

[nhoj]

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it.
I have always enjoyed playing against/with EuS and NoName and talking with them several times a week. Pretty sure I never heard any of them rage/complain(but on other hand, i don't understand french) and it was just scrims.

l0ker, you can find things that countries are known as. For example, USA where overweight is a huge problem and Sweden with people wearing skinny jeans, blonde hair, very good at playing video games and blonde girls

Also, demos should never be released from the AC-team. Would just end up in chaos.

[l0ker]

I don't know if you see in my lasts posts, but, i found the HLTv and looked it, so i found what i need and now i realy don't care about the rest.

[Cage]

edit : my flag is moving, all your arguments are now invalid

+1

me too, be french is like be jew in 39-45

Did you just compare being shit talked on a forum and in a video game to being a jew during the holocaust? Come on guy.

[czu]

You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it..

What?

Maybe for some sweds who comments VP's matches like "fcking slavs". This is just stupid... Last time Neo played very good vs Titan(french team). I'm not even talking about what h
e did during cup in Katowice.

I don't like Russians, but they are the best movie-makers in whole world since many years, movienations site is in 90% russian. Look at some movies by Igor Zotov, Drazen Buncic(this guy is from Serbia) or Bartłomiej Otłowski(polish).

Do you really need to hate someone?

[nhoj]

You should play CS:GO l0ker or even look at forums (mainly hltv.org) and you can see for yourself that Russia(and sometimes also Poland) is the most hated community in europe, because they are irritates/harasses their teammates. But luckly not all of them are doing it..

What?

Maybe for some sweds who comments VP's matches like "fcking slavs". This is just stupid... Last time Neo played very good vs Titan(french team). I'm not even talking about what he did during cup in Katowice.

I don't like Russians, but they are the best movie-makers in whole world since many years, movienations site is in 90% russian. Look at some movies by Igor Zotov, Drazen Buncic(this guy is from Serbia) or Bartłomiej Otłowski(polish).

Do you really need to hate someone?

When I was talking about what community in csgo that was most hated,is that according many players russians tend to scream a lot in their mic, tk/tw and act like a retard.( I often queue up with 3-4 friends and never really encounter russians in my team that often).
VP (especially pasha and byali) had a really good tournament and won it with style( from the matches i saw). Too bad fifflaren didn't perform well in the finals, could have been a closer game.
Fanboys of VP, NiP and Titan who takes this game to serious from a viewer perspective when it comes to watching/betting and make threats on the internet clearly does not have a life? You mention a 3 moviemakers without using their nickname, which they are probably more known as(I know who Drazen is from the few montages i have seen from him).

I don't really hate any community, i only dislike certain people and communities(mainly the LoL community).

[Cage]

Too bad fifflaren didn't perform well in the finals, could have been a closer game.

Hahaha yeah he played like shit, didn't even break ten kills over three maps.. Glad I didn't bet any skins on that match.

[james-]

Gm9XNyERe6Q

that's priceless.

[Theworst]

Aimtek didn't cheat.

[mike]

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me.

[WindiaN]

Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheat when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then proceeded to absolutely destroy them. IIRC it was mostly with nades since his ping was too bad to compete. I remember giving him a nade near spawn (it was on Zafod) because he ran out and he nailed it for 3 kills.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki who was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known that he cheated. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so what did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless.

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

[Sears]

Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheated when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were fucking hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). Watch the KBC 2 "enhanced" version, that shit still cracks me up. Might not be as funny if you don't know the people though... We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then absolutely destroyed them.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was fucking blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so wtf did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless. If anybody finds it, send it to me! "Fucking ugs junior lu, fuckin' hate that spic."

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

SS of unibrow or not real.

[nik]

Hello friends! I wish to partake in this discussion.

Ward: Yes, we (Shockwave) lost to Nhn/xds in a Cal-I match I think the season they got promoted. It was also the season when you were too poor to pay for internet and our starting roster included some combination of Jizzake and Aero. Pretty sure nobody cheated on nhn, Prowack was super quick but I always just felt that he was good. Didn't help that we played horribly and didn't practice.

Also, I was on -Nt- before lol/infamy/shockwave and our french players were good. Xormm did cheated when -Nt- was going downhill, but I'm positive he didn't cheat when they beat 101st (and I wasn't on the team yet then, joined the next season). The were fucking hilarious, awesome people, and generally well liked by the community (with some exceptions, but you could say that about anybody). Watch the KBC 2 "enhanced" version, that shit still cracks me up. Might not be as funny if you don't know the people though... We also used to have Hn from Sk.fr play in our matches and he was unreal. Better than almost every player even though he consistently had 200+ ping. I vaguely remember some team demanded that we a midwest server even though they were predominantly east coast just so that Hn's ping would be worse and he then absolutely destroyed them.

nik: As mentioned to Wardian, Sk.fr was indeed very good. When I was on -Nt-, we had Kiki was French but that team was carried by Hn and he was actually Belgian. If you called him French, he got pissed off. Worth mentioning that they did have a cheater named Iron but I don't think it ever was well known. We tried to start one of those super teams CS style with a Euro division and a US one IIRC, I think the tag was something like eSports.-nt- Windian [ktp]. Anyway Sk.fr had their own team as the Euro division and we scrimmed them on Anzio. I msged Hn after the match because I was 100% positive Iron cheated, never been so sure of anybody ever (well except Ward, but he was on my team and I supported him just because it was so fun disagreeing with ackpth). I literally proned all the way up the Allied spawn house side on bridge and he walled me the instant I got to the top. It was fucking blatant. Hn was similarly adamant that Iron was just super good and he had also seen him play on lan (tm). Plus Hn was the best player in the world so wtf did I know. I think he got caught a few weeks later. He was actually decent on lan, but I apparently he was nervous about getting cut from the top Euro team or something so he cheated online to keep his spot.

nuBeas Umm, nope. Now I'm not saying you actually cheated (if that's why you got banned, I don't even remember), I wasn't sure at the time but I didn't care. I also may not have been a "top" player when you got banned, but I definitely played with them. Don't think anybody would say it was a mistake though. That spider video was priceless. If anybody finds it, send it to me! "Fucking ugs junior lu, fuckin' hate that spic."

WindiaN out.

PS: Add me on Hearthstone: WindiaN#1166 I actually don't suck that badly so I play a decent amount when I have the time. Can't say the same about DoD...

Never knew iron cheated. Really liked his fragmovie :/ .
About sk-fr. I had doubts about if I should mention that their best player was not from france, but a french speaking Belgium. But I figured that it would be pointless , they seem to call everybody frenchie over here. Swizz, canadians, etc .

[ward]

Sup Jai. I'm not saying that they are not capable of being good, just that there are a disproportionate amount of them that have been proven to cheat. NHN was decent, but was never a top tier team in invite, more like middle of the pack. I'm guessing you had juni0r / aero / jizzake playing that match, haha.

[ohhhhbeeee]

Where's the link to the demos? Did I miss it?

[An1maL]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1qibpv

[sevEN]

The current system seems to work, anyway. Has there ever actually been a genuinely good & respected player banned, where most top players would say: that ban was a mistake? Most of the time it's pretty clear cut.

Me

ben

[l0ker]

I would really like someone to give an example of a time in the history of Day of Defeat where a frenchie team actually won a game in a competitive setting without somebody cheating. It's been so many years of blatant idiots being banned that I've lost track. Thanks again.

PS: You're still bad, and banned.

so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

[tugger]

so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

no we don't know jackshit about all these teams, did they go to cpl or even knew it existed back then?

[ward]

They were so good that they beat American teams on LAN bro! I could win every LAN that I hosted In parents' basement too retard.

[l0ker]

lol. ignorant. " LAN that I hosted In parents' basement " LOL

and yeah, we know about cpl but, should you payed our travel ? xD

[yellowteeth]

Sorry l0ker but I find it fucking hilarious you keep mentioning LAN's etc, when even yourself got caught cheating on 1.3 "in its height". You're such a dribbling moron, its fantastic.

[An1maL]

inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan

I vaguely remember that LAN, didn't TWR not really have their best lineup? If I recall correctly they had stickie and some other manager playing. Still, it was a shock that they lost, because inX were never really more than 10-20th in europe (they had ONE good player, Jc). The rest of those clans you mentioned were terrible.

[nik]

so,

Did you ever play against real French clan ?

because French community was the most activ on LAN in the past, and have the only one Dod Black-Liste ( Team who ban cheater for ever with a banlist.cfg who all french clan have it on their server.dod )

I will give you some name clan .fr : inXtremis, who was the best french clan when dod was at is height, they won Lille EuroLan in 2004 against TWR in final.
And you certainly not remember about : aS`, ParadiSe f0r , GameClash , Team7, wL, inTensia, supremz, wDcLan .. and more. You should shut your fucking mouth before speaking about something you don't fuking know anything =)

no we don't know jackshit about all these teams, did they go to cpl or even knew it existed back then?

I think most of what loker is saying is bs. Although that lille lan was aparantly one of the better known ones. I remember people talking about it back in the day. Inxtremis was also good, but not europe's best.

But the cpl argument is sort of cheap. No euro team ever got sponsorship for cpl. Not even unplugged.

[nik]

nvm

[onax]

[acetamino]