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Just a thought - shouldn't your "main" league, the one you want to have the most active results with matches played, should be played on your strongest night.

So, if 99% of you can show up on Sunday, then if you want ESL to succeed to have 2 leagues, then that should be ESL night. TPG will be there regardless, and that's the safety net. Therefore, to ensure ESL succeeds, then you guys need to figure out what night is going to work the best of the week as if it was the only night.

for me sunday weds would suck because my tours work every other day

I Like the idea of ESL being played 2 nights a week, Makes for long/shorter seasons which ever way you want to look at it. Maybe get to play every teams twice in a season (1 home 1 away) or get a regular 8 week season finished in a month.

Personally I would like to keep playing TPG and have been working on getting more pub teams to join for next season. Whatever happens, happens - but if TPG becomes the 2nd league, I dont want to see teams sign up and not play just because its the secondary league.

There is one main item that keeps me from playing competitively at the moment. It is that the match times are too late on Sunday due to the fact that I have to be at work by no later than 11pm EST. I have about a 40 min drive down into the city to work; so I have to leave no later than 10:15 pm. I tried it out for a bit and it just frustrated me that there wasn't any good conceivable way for me to play unless matches were on my off days. ESL on Wed/Thurs (my off days) works perfectly. I hate the fact that I have to be a roster rider with A SLIGHT CHANCE to play in a match if the time wasn't pushed back past default.

What sucks about DCN is that there is one division, which I can obviously understand. Two divisions for ESL is a must in my eyes. Personally I'm not upper material and probably never will be. I just don't have enough time to really work myself to that level. I had to bail from Sean's team for that reason and the one stated above; I just wasn't able to be an asset. So I voted for TPG on Sundays and ESL Wed/Thurs.

i think we can pull off 2 leagues....just a matter of making ESL (which i think we can all agree SHOULD end up being the more prioritized league) be played on a more reasonable day (like sunday: much agreed sunday has become "DoD's day") BUT with that being said....idk about other teams but I know thunder likes to reschedule our match days/times because of gingers work sched. so in reality, as long as there is a deadline for the matches to be played, i think realistically the "primary" day of matches could be any as long as you can schedule the match for anytime within that week of matches and in some circumstances possibly within 2 weeks of the scheduled day.

but in terms of having more then 1 league i definitely think we can pull it off. as sears said, it will definitely be a little difficult to get pub clans into ESL off the bat, but if we disband TPG then we're gonna lose potential teams to end up playing in ESL down the line. my vote is really just pick 2 days to establish the matches to "officially" be played on,(sundays and wednesdays or tuesdays work well) but allow teams to schedule the match to anytime within that week before the next weeks match.

defiance wrote:also, if i could add one more thing to my vote.

ESL SUNDAY / TPG any other day

Sunday has become DoD's day. Everyone is used to it and already have schedules for it. ESL will become the go to league, so it should be the one played on Sundays if you insist on doing 2 leagues.

I think ESL becomes the go to league for teams that are still serious about competing, but I don't think it defaults as the most important league for the WHOLE community before a single match is played. I think that takes a season or two.

In my experience, this community is brutally resistant to change (even if it is change they want, or have asked for).

also, if i could add one more thing to my vote.

ESL SUNDAY / TPG any other day

Sunday has become DoD's day. Everyone is used to it and already have schedules for it. ESL will become the go to league, so it should be the one played on Sundays if you insist on doing 2 leagues.

Teapot_Dome wrote:I don't know about other pub clans, but I don't think we could field a team twice a week for 2 leagues... whatever league we choose I vote make it sunday as most are already used to being ready for a match on that day.

I have nothing against TPG, but I think ESL is a better move for the community as it is more exposure even if that doesn't translate to more teams signing up, i think it will keep the teams that do play at it longer.

I think it's going to be difficult to get pub clans to adopt ESL right away. The website itself will probably be pretty intimidating. In the event that TPG sticks around, I can see it as being a more relaxed league that teams use to prepare for that upcoming weeks ESL match.

ESL I see as being a smaller league, at least at the beginning, with probably just the current Upper and a few of the Lower teams participating.

That really doesn't matter. As long as you have enough teams to have a balanced season (16 minimum), you can make it work. It's just important that all of those teams actually actively play their matches.

hXc wrote:i would vote but one of these virgin admins already voted on my account

Nothing in the logs...

I don't know about other pub clans, but I don't think we could field a team twice a week for 2 leagues... whatever league we choose I vote make it sunday as most are already used to being ready for a match on that day.

I have nothing against TPG, but I think ESL is a better move for the community as it is more exposure even if that doesn't translate to more teams signing up, i think it will keep the teams that do play at it longer.

Voted other. Sunday for TPG and any of the other days for ESL works for me.

Thing that sucks for me is that I can't play at all on Wednesday nights. Tuesday or Thursday would work for me much better than even Monday's. But that's just me.

Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming. The more votes the better.

two leagues is just fine (tpg on sunday / esl on wednesday)

esl sunday, 1 league. if you want the extra match, make our esl league 2 nights a week (sunday/?).

i voted but i won't play if it doesn't fit my schedule SO TAKE THAT

Don't vote if you don't play.

defiance wrote:Voted for 1 league, ESL Sundays.

One league forces teams to be more stable and stay together and not die if they lose a freaking match and ragequit.
One league makes scrimming more easy. Having to deal with different rosters and different people's schedules is a pain. Its hard enough to get people to want to play us on default on sundays as it is.
One league forces ALL teams to join that league, and makes sure we represent well since it would be ESL. They're giving us a shot and showing up without the pub clans and other teams would just look bad.
The game is old. Stop pretending like it needs more than 1 league.

We were asked to give opinions, not gunna play debate class and clutter up the thread with arguing if someone disagrees.

This.

defiance wrote:Voted for 1 league, ESL Sundays.

One league forces teams to be more stable and stay together and not die if they lose a freaking match and ragequit.
One league makes scrimming more easy. Having to deal with different rosters and different people's schedules is a pain. Its hard enough to get people to want to play us on default on sundays as it is.
One league forces ALL teams to join that league, and makes sure we represent well since it would be ESL. They're giving us a shot and showing up without the pub clans and other teams would just look bad.
The game is old. Stop pretending like it needs more than 1 league.

We were asked to give opinions, not gunna play debate class and clutter up the thread with arguing if someone disagrees.

this, except wednesday works better for my work schedule this summer.

carry over all the bans too

Sure Id like to play leagues.. Im up for it

oh one league also means one league to be banned from.. less cheaters maybe?

Voted for 1 league, ESL Sundays.

One league forces teams to be more stable and stay together and not die if they lose a freaking match and ragequit.
One league makes scrimming more easy. Having to deal with different rosters and different people's schedules is a pain. Its hard enough to get people to want to play us on default on sundays as it is.
One league forces ALL teams to join that league, and makes sure we represent well since it would be ESL. They're giving us a shot and showing up without the pub clans and other teams would just look bad.
The game is old. Stop pretending like it needs more than 1 league.

We were asked to give opinions, not gunna play debate class and clutter up the thread with arguing if someone disagrees.

i would vote but one of these virgin admins already voted on my account

Other - because anything can work with my schedule, whether it's one league or two

Also: It would be nice if people could specify what would NOT work vs. what is their preference in the comments below here.

In light of the addition of ESL, we need to try and get an idea of what nights of the week people would like to play from this point forward. With a community as small as ours, and as we have observed with the trial addition of DCN, it will be difficult to pull off two-match night weeks if we are not all on the same page.

The current discussions have led many to believe that a setup similar to the old days of TPG Sunday and CAL Wednesday might suit us well. But, I'd like to open up this poll to find out what will actually work best for the majority of the community.

Please leave any constructive comments as well. I'd like to gather as much input as we can, so please forward this thread to as many you know that still play or plan on playing next season.