Firearms

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:37 pm

This thread is for questions and discussion surrounding the use, accessories, and caliber/ammunition differences etc.

question that will be ignored:

why do you need a gun?

pretty much that line of thinking in its entirety. i dont want a debate on the subject. i want an interesting and informative thread for those of us who have firearms or enjoy shooting, and those that are curious as to perhaps buying there first gun.

i know im not the only one who likes to shoot here.

james- · Post by **james-** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:46 am

You can't uninvent guns, so the only reasonable solution is to arm everyone to the teeth.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:21 am

I myself have a few and enjoy target shooting from time to time. My family owns a 140 acre farm that I use to shoot at. Problem is the rising price of ammunition. I'd really like a bolt action rifle that uses the "newer" Lapua rounds. The shows I've watched on TV talk it up pretty well; so I'd like to try that out myself.

My most recent purchase was a Kimber Pro Carry II for conceal carry. Although I do need to get it renewed.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:26 am

ive got a glock and a few shotguns (12 gauge remington, 20 gauge browning). really wish i could have a beretta or benelli, maybe in a couple years. my brother has another two shotguns and a revolver (forget the make). hes also got a swiss sniper rifle, which as you can see by my name, i am super jealous of.

we go out shooting alot, usually 5-stand or sporting clays. theres this really nice range about 20 minutes from me just outside of downtown dallas that we go to. theres some pretty loaded guys who go there, with their thousand dollar guns all tricked out. one of the guys is a competitive trick shooter for beretta. actually, the CEO of boeing also goes there all the time and he has this tricked out atv to drive from station to station (no joke). my older brother and i go to the pistol range when we can too, but not too often

like you said, ammo gets expensive. its not too bad going out with our shotguns because my uncle refills his own cartridges

Post by **ceebz** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:20 am

Swiss wrote:ive got a glock and a few shotguns (12 gauge remington, 20 gauge browning). really wish i could have a beretta or benelli, maybe in a couple years. my brother has another two shotguns and a revolver (forget the make). hes also got a swiss sniper rifle, which as you can see by my name, i am super jealous of.

we go out shooting alot, usually 5-stand or sporting clays. theres this really nice range about 20 minutes from me just outside of downtown dallas that we go to. theres some pretty loaded guys who go there, with their thousand dollar guns all tricked out. one of the guys is a competitive trick shooter for beretta. actually, the CEO of boeing also goes there all the time and he has this tricked out atv to drive from station to station (no joke). my older brother and i go to the pistol range when we can too, but not too often

like you said, ammo gets expensive. its not too bad going out with our shotguns because my uncle refills his own cartridges

benelli is the best shotgun in the market to have
ammo is expensive as hell but its a lot cheaper if you keep your casings and re load them

BrentMusburger · Post by **BrentMusburger** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:29 am

Tired of whistling construction workers? Next time whistle back with a high powered round from ammunation.

How much would it cost me to buy the auto sniper that the guy from Jumangi uses?

taylor · Post by **taylor** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:48 am

i popped off a round in my room nearly killing my friend that was sitting to the left of me it shot right next to his ear going into the floor bouncing off the slab of the house and into the wall next to that power outlet

nugz` · Post by **nugz`** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:07 am

BrentMusburger wrote:Tired of whistling construction workers? Next time whistle back with a high powered round from ammunation.

How much would it cost me to buy the auto sniper that the guy from Jumangi uses?

rofl

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:24 am

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:13 am

Ricky you are embarrassingly bad at posting pictures.

I would consider getting a gun depending on where I live solely for home protection. I really wouldn't care about shooting it for sport or anything.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:37 am

ceebz wrote:
Swiss wrote:ive got a glock and a few shotguns (12 gauge remington, 20 gauge browning). really wish i could have a beretta or benelli, maybe in a couple years. my brother has another two shotguns and a revolver (forget the make). hes also got a swiss sniper rifle, which as you can see by my name, i am super jealous of.

we go out shooting alot, usually 5-stand or sporting clays. theres this really nice range about 20 minutes from me just outside of downtown dallas that we go to. theres some pretty loaded guys who go there, with their thousand dollar guns all tricked out. one of the guys is a competitive trick shooter for beretta. actually, the CEO of boeing also goes there all the time and he has this tricked out atv to drive from station to station (no joke). my older brother and i go to the pistol range when we can too, but not too often

like you said, ammo gets expensive. its not too bad going out with our shotguns because my uncle refills his own cartridges
benelli is the best shotgun in the market to have
ammo is expensive as hell but its a lot cheaper if you keep your casings and re load them

yep and those things are expensive...thats why i would have to wait for a couple of years. we'll see

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:31 pm

ive got a springfield XD subcompact in 9mm for carry, 12guage mossberg pump with a knoxx compstock on it, a mosin nagant(eh, 80 dollars and still fun), and a single shot winchester 12gauge from what i can only guess is the 50s or 60s. it doesnt have a serial number for me to trace.

how do you like the kimber? ive never really heard good things about .45 in a compact form. mainly reliability and issues with finding ammo that feeds well.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:32 pm

i used to have a cz 40p as well, sold it for the XD. i dont like the .40... to snappy a round for my likings.

kalle carlund · Post by **kalle carlund** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:16 pm

the one and only kar98 down in my basement.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:03 pm

unpro wrote:ive got a springfield XD subcompact in 9mm for carry, 12guage mossberg pump with a knoxx compstock on it, a mosin nagant(eh, 80 dollars and still fun), and a single shot winchester 12gauge from what i can only guess is the 50s or 60s. it doesnt have a serial number for me to trace.

how do you like the kimber? ive never really heard good things about .45 in a compact form. mainly reliability and issues with finding ammo that feeds well.

I sold my ParaOrdinance LDA in .45 to buy my Kimber. Paras became crap over the last 5 years or so. The slide rocks back and forth and I had to send mine back to get the trigger mechanism repaired. They sent a note back saying I wasn't gripping it tight enough and not fully depressing the dovetail part of the safety mechanism(I called bullshit on that one). The dealer I bought my Kimber from didn't even want it on trade, so I sold it myself. My Kimber has been flawless and I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's the mid sized though; the compact is the Ultra Carry, where I have the Pro Carry II because my hands were too big for the Ultra.

I also have a Mossberg 835, 2 K98's (one with a straight bolt, other more collectible with the curved bolt), Nagant 91/30, S&W .44 Mag 5" barrel, Norinco AK-47 with chrome lined barrel, and some weird Euro pistol my dad bought me. Then of course a Ruger 10/22 for cheap and fun plinking.

james- · Post by **james-** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:26 pm

wtf unpro, what kind of nagant did you get for $80?

I was looking through the wikipedia page and I couldn't help but lol at the list of wars they were used in. Somewhere in the ballpark of 30+

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:57 pm

james- wrote:wtf unpro, what kind of nagant did you get for $80?

I was looking through the wikipedia page and I couldn't help but lol at the list of wars they were used in. Somewhere in the ballpark of 30+

just a plain straight bolt carbine nagant. you can get em for 80 to 100 all over the place. the only issue they have is they are absolutely caked in cosmoline(fucking russians), so you have to clean all that shit out to get a reliable gun. its a bitch to clean em out too. they kick like a mule. they also have really cheap ammo all over. surplus 7.62 rimmed is all over. its steel cored so you cant shoot it at indoor ranges though, it goes through the 1/4 inch steel back drops they use.

i still need to get a .22 i was thinking of a 10/22, but mossberg puts out a cheapie .22 semi that seems to be decent as well.

that reminds me, i need to re soak my bolt for my nagant. its still sticking once it gets 5-10 shots through it.

my brother has an rpk, ak47, ak 74, and a remington 770 that i get to shoot semi-regularly. hes got a pistol i like a lot even if im not a fan of the caliber. the Steyr m40-a1 is a pretty solid pistol. its sights line up perfect really easy and it has great ergonomics.

i might have to sell my pistol though, work is shitty and i need to pay some bills D:

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:29 am

I've got a Marlin .22 semiauto, a Ruger Mini14 (.223), a Para 1911 .45, and a Sig P226 .40. The store here on Camp Lejeune has a nice selection of pistols and also has some decent sales once in awhile. I picked up that Sig brand new for 30% off (came to like 600ish i think). I don't have any problems with my Para. They sell M9s at that base store too, but I shoot it pretty often for work and I'm not a fan of it or 9mm in general.

Post by **ceebz** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:33 am

james- wrote:wtf unpro, what kind of nagant did you get for $80?

I was looking through the wikipedia page and I couldn't help but lol at the list of wars they were used in. Somewhere in the ballpark of 30+

pretty easy. you can get one in GOOD condition easily for $120~

Post by **ceebz** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:34 am

unpro wrote:
james- wrote:wtf unpro, what kind of nagant did you get for $80?

I was looking through the wikipedia page and I couldn't help but lol at the list of wars they were used in. Somewhere in the ballpark of 30+
just a plain straight bolt carbine nagant. you can get em for 80 to 100 all over the place. the only issue they have is they are absolutely caked in cosmoline(fucking russians), so you have to clean all that shit out to get a reliable gun. its a bitch to clean em out too. they kick like a mule. they also have really cheap ammo all over. surplus 7.62 rimmed is all over. its steel cored so you cant shoot it at indoor ranges though, it goes through the 1/4 inch steel back drops they use.

i still need to get a .22 i was thinking of a 10/22, but mossberg puts out a cheapie .22 semi that seems to be decent as well.

that reminds me, i need to re soak my bolt for my nagant. its still sticking once it gets 5-10 shots through it.

my brother has an rpk, ak47, ak 74, and a remington 770 that i get to shoot semi-regularly. hes got a pistol i like a lot even if im not a fan of the caliber. the Steyr m40-a1 is a pretty solid pistol. its sights line up perfect really easy and it has great ergonomics.

i might have to sell my pistol though, work is shitty and i need to pay some bills D:

ruger 10/22 or ima be dissapointed in you

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:12 am

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:51 am

ceebz wrote:
james- wrote:wtf unpro, what kind of nagant did you get for $80?

I was looking through the wikipedia page and I couldn't help but lol at the list of wars they were used in. Somewhere in the ballpark of 30+
pretty easy. you can get one in GOOD condition easily for $120~

Mosin nagants were so massively produced that all of them (minus mint condition collector's pieces) will be low in price. Hell, pretty much any non-US WW2 rifle is cheap as hell.

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:56 am

ooooo that kind of firearms

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:35 pm

except german k98s. those are anywhere from $300-1000.

i wouldnt mind having an enfield in good shape, but i really want a garand.

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:41 pm

unpro wrote:except german k98s. those are anywhere from $300-1000.

i wouldnt mind having an enfield in good shape, but i really want a garand.

I've seen K98s for cheaper. As for Garands, they are going to run you a bit. The Civilian Marksmanship Program has some good ones available, but you have to be part of an organization that is affiliated with them in order to obtain one. I wouldn't buy one from a gun show, though. They will rip you off and give you a gun with a shitty barrel for sure.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:13 pm

i could get a cmp one if i could get my mother to do the paper work, but shes lazy :p

and yea, you can get k98s cheaper, but they arent german. i want german, not yugo.

james- · Post by **james-** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:44 am

But those mother fuckers have such a good reputation for building quality products!

ward · Post by **ward** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:11 pm

Most of the K98s are built exactly the same way. Sounds like he just wants a German one for its authenticity. And that comes at a price :X

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:01 pm

ward wrote:Most of the K98s are built exactly the same way. Sounds like he just wants a German one for its authenticity. And that comes at a price :X

The stocks seem to differ the most. Then obviously the stamping. The collector one my dad bought for me went for over $400 about 5 years ago (I think, I'll have to check the tag on it). To me, having an authentic german K98 is just different than any other K98. The history behind it is what captures most people.

Edit: Don't have the tag any longer, but it is cool to look at the stamping on the receiver and see that Nazi eagle a couple times.

ward · Post by **ward** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:19 pm

All of those old WW2 battle rifles are just beast. Compared to the BB guns we use now, the calibers used in those (like the .30-06) are just monstrous. These are the kind of guns that straight knocked you on your ass for good if you were shot with them.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:29 pm

we all know its attached to tons of floating steel?

and yea, i want the original maker of the k98. yea rounds back in the 40s/50s did carry a lot more power, but they also limited the ability for a rifle to be anything more than semi automatic. you cant realistically expect to be able to control a full auto 30-06 with any semblance of accuracy for the average person. with smaller calibers like the 7.62x39 and the 5.56 however, it becomes possible for most people.

why do you think FALs had a limited full auto option most of the time? best modern battle rifle, limited to 3 shot burst or semi. the AK and AR platform are considered assault rifles, not battle rifles. caliber differences

James, the Germans have been making some of the finest weapons in the world for a very long time. I know they dont fuck up when they manufacture things. why do you think we get the barrels for the abrams tank from germany?

Post by **ceebz** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:24 pm

unpro wrote:a full auto 30-06 the Germans have been making some of the finest weapons in the world for a very long time.

full auto 30-06 would be fun as hell to see how many rounds u could shoot b4 your shoulder got to hurting

and yeah your right about germans making some good guns. gotta think though the older guns back in the day were built to last for a long ass time.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:00 pm

ceebz wrote:
unpro wrote:a full auto 30-06 the Germans have been making some of the finest weapons in the world for a very long time.
full auto 30-06 would be fun as hell to see how many rounds u could shoot b4 your shoulder got to hurting

and yeah your right about germans making some good guns. gotta think though the older guns back in the day were built to last for a long ass time.

That's why you see H&K's so popular in the elite units for close quarters combat. They don't fail under super stress situations. While every man made thing is prone to some type of failure, Germans always seemed to go the extra mile for reliability.

I have some 1950s manufactured 8mm for my K98s(I only shoot the one I paid $85 for). It came in 70 round bandoliers with 10 rounds per pouch with 5 round stripper clips. I can't make it through half a bandolier without having to give my shoulder a break. Bad thing is that the ammo is corrosive, so the rifle needs to be cleaned immediately afterwards.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:40 am

windex

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:25 am

i want a FAL or HK93... I did take my first deer with a k98 at 400m without a scope though, hell of a rifle..

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:49 pm

yea, i wouldnt use my nagant for hunting. its horribly inaccurate past 100 yards or so. probably the barrel. i havent really used it with quality new ammo though, just the surplus shit you can buy 1000 for 100.

james- · Post by **james-** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:56 pm

My failed joke was a tease at the yugos, not germans. =[

ward · Post by **ward** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:52 pm

unpro wrote:we all know its attached to tons of floating steel?

and yea, i want the original maker of the k98. yea rounds back in the 40s/50s did carry a lot more power, but they also limited the ability for a rifle to be anything more than semi automatic. you cant realistically expect to be able to control a full auto 30-06 with any semblance of accuracy for the average person. with smaller calibers like the 7.62x39 and the 5.56 however, it becomes possible for most people.

why do you think FALs had a limited full auto option most of the time? best modern battle rifle, limited to 3 shot burst or semi. the AK and AR platform are considered assault rifles, not battle rifles. caliber differences

James, the Germans have been making some of the finest weapons in the world for a very long time. I know they dont fuck up when they manufacture things. why do you think we get the barrels for the abrams tank from germany?

Full auto with any personal weapon is a waste of ammunition and horribly inaccurate outside of close range. Doesn't matter what caliber you're using. Best reserved for machineguns with bipods and high capacity belts that are designed for suppressive fire.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:59 pm

im not recommending full auto for 300 yards, im just saying its a hell of a lot more controllable with the smaller assault rifle calibers than the old full size rifle calibers.

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:23 pm

God, anyone remember that guy back in the day that LOVED firearms? Like gun talk 24/7 on http://www.gotfrag.com, and anything bad about guns he would rant and rant for hours.

That guy was absolutely nuts. It bothers me I can't remember his name because I'm sort of a dod historian, but still I gave a full 30 seconds of thought into it, but his love of firearms is all I remember about him.

:

I used to hunt, but gave that up awhile ago. Nothing wrong with it.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:56 pm

i know it wasnt me, i dont tend to be nutty about it.

willeh · Post by **willeh** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:03 pm

I have a springfield XD subcompact .40, a mosberg 500a, a sig sauer p226 tacops .40, a marlin .22 not sure what model, and looking into getting a fn fiverseven. ill prolly end up selling most of my pistols and just getting a glock. the price of fiveseven ammo makes me not want to buy it. plus it is pretty hard for me to buy any pistol thats not .40

i wish i would have got the xd full size- though the subcompact is nice with the extended mag, the mosberg 500 is awesome with the pistol grip stock, i love my p226, and the marlin is great for shooting varmits.

taylu you're an idiot for posting that you shouldnt own a gun.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:24 pm

i would want the full size XD shooting .40 out of a 3inch barrel too :p

five sevens are awesome pistols, but the ammo is expensive and the gun itself is expensive as shit. to go to the store, buy the gun, and the 200+ rounds needed to break the pistol in your looking at like 1100 dollars.

personally i would probably get a cz85 combat, 2 extra mags, 200 rounds of speer gold dot, and 500 rounds of FMJ if i had the money for a five seven.

why the fuck would you sell your pistols to get a glock? the sig is as good if not a better pistol than the glock. next to that, you already have the perfect carry gun with either the 226 or the XD.

i disagree about .40 being the way to go. in our area(the desert of arizona) 9mm is more than enough for penetration and stopping power. we dont have to worry about thick winter coats, or layers of clothes fouling up our bullets. why not take advantage of that with the ability to carry more rounds in a smaller gun with manageable recoil? if i lived further north i would probably want to carry a .45. with decent ammo, the 9mm is every bit as good as a .45 on human targets.

dane · Post by **dane** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:28 pm

taylu_b wrote:i popped off a round in my room nearly killing my friend that was sitting to the left of me it shot right next to his ear going into the floor bouncing off the slab of the house and into the wall next to that power outlet

Are you a fucking moron? Nevermind, you already answered that. If only natural selection took it's toll on you.

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:43 am

dane wrote:
taylu_b wrote:i popped off a round in my room nearly killing my friend that was sitting to the left of me it shot right next to his ear going into the floor bouncing off the slab of the house and into the wall next to that power outlet

Are you a fucking moron? Nevermind, you already answered that. If only natural selection took it's toll on you.

This is what happens when curious kids aren't taught the dangers of guns and how to safely use them at a young age.

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:24 am

I wonder what type of guns hXc's brother has.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:54 am

mg_ wrote:I wonder what type of guns hXc's brother has.

oh at first i thought you seemed hopeful that taylor's brother had a gun handy, you know, for apparent reasons. and then i saw what you did there