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stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:22 am

BrentMusburger wrote:They should never have to worry about actually improving their skillset to remain competitive. They should be able to do what makes them have fun while feeling warm and fuzzy on the inside
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Teams used to WANT to be moved up--and were excited to get the opportunity. Part of the fun of dod was proving you belonged. Once this "push" is gone for the community as a whole it's gone for good. It's unfixable by FORCING people to play where they don't want to--what ever their reason is.

Peopled "used" to want to be moved up because teams would practice and get better. Now everybody just 12mans and teams don't improve. Meanwhile, the teams that dominate upper are the ones that have been playing together for seasons. Everyone else probably want to play in middle so that they can "have fun and compete." My guess is that people don't want to play and lose, so they have a chance in main.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:48 am

Rob wrote:That doesn't work because the lowest teams in the league will drop out from getting destroyed on a weekly basis. Happened before when the main/lower teams were in one division. Teams like BAW, 475th, KS, etc. can only look forward to a couple weeks out of a season where they'll actually compete for a win. Every other week is a blowout.

I dont mean the open teams. The Main and invite players essentially 12 man against eachother daily, I wouldnt mind a game against thunder early in the season. But I am biased to my recent post.

nunz wrote:Maybe have one big division, 18 teams start the season, if you have a 16 team playoff where the first round will decide the Invite and Main brackets (or call them something completely different ex. GOLD SILVER playoffs). Using the 1 vs 16 format, all the winners of the first round would make it to the Gold playoffs and all the losers would move down to the Silver playoffs. Then you would have 8 in each bracket to compete for the titles. At the end of the season your gonna have only 2 teams not making the playoffs and with the 1 v 16 there is a chance to have upsets. It also creates extra opportunity to the teams that lose in the first round.

I dont really care if I get shit stomped in 1 or 2 weeks aslong as people play the matches its always fun. It will also help with meeting players you have never played with/against. Lastly I think it will make for a very very interesting final week of the season, so many seeds would shift around and have people on the TPG site waiting to see who they will play in the first round.

2cents.

I think this could work, it is how they run a lot of minor hockey league tournaments I played in when I was a kid and it always gave the weaker teams a shot of competing with the best.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:51 pm

nunz wrote:
nunz wrote:Maybe have one big division, 18 teams start the season, if you have a 16 team playoff where the first round will decide the Invite and Main brackets (or call them something completely different ex. GOLD SILVER playoffs). Using the 1 vs 16 format, all the winners of the first round would make it to the Gold playoffs and all the losers would move down to the Silver playoffs. Then you would have 8 in each bracket to compete for the titles. At the end of the season your gonna have only 2 teams not making the playoffs and with the 1 v 16 there is a chance to have upsets. It also creates extra opportunity to the teams that lose in the first round.

I dont really care if I get shit stomped in 1 or 2 weeks aslong as people play the matches its always fun. It will also help with meeting players you have never played with/against. Lastly I think it will make for a very very interesting final week of the season, so many seeds would shift around and have people on the TPG site waiting to see who they will play in the first round.

2cents.
I think this could work, it is how they run a lot of minor hockey league tournaments I played in when I was a kid and it always gave the weaker teams a shot of competing with the best.

Glad you like your own ideas =P

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:03 pm

stealthlol wrote:Plus Will Ward. Hell, if you have any chance of getting moved down, it will be Will Ward.

I'm considering starting Will on rifle, heavy, and sniper, simultaneously.

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:29 pm

BrentMusburger wrote:
ryanemo wrote:is thunder the best team every season? realistically yes, we lost a couple seasons back, and still lose 1 or 2 matches every season. but this just shows how the community has changed over the years. even back in 08/09, there were teams that wanted to beat us simply because we are a challenge to play against. but for some reason now everybody would rather show up and stomp people in lower divisions, just so they don't have to lose against us.
Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back.

In regards to the bolded, you're accusing them of exactly what you're doing. You'd rather show up with your "stacked" team and stomp people at lower skill levels then you, just so you don't have to lose. If you're so against this mentality, why don't you split up to challenge youself and create parity?

Only half of our team (jaggon, ryanemo, & tox) actually play the game regularly. The other half has gone through various shifts between each season. Over the past seasons, the other 3 spots have been filled by me, pat, dorito, hudson, dyelife, jgale, & riveroyster.. rebirth and scorch for one or two matches. There may have been others, since there was a season or 2 in which I wasn't really ever around to see how things were going. If the team was to be split in half, the 3 variable spots being filled by regularly active players, it'd just be worse for the community. You'd probably see THUNDER scrim time to time, leading to even better team chemistry than what's already displayed in matches now. It's not simply a matter of winning or losing; it's having fun playing with the group of players this team has. I show up once a week during the season, am pretty washed up and considerably slower/worse than I already was when active, could be easily replaced by a more active sniper, and still the team likes it when I will play. Heck, I was quick to admit to the team that part of the loss to DRUGS on rr2 and the match with Alex's shitty team being close were largely my fault, but instead of replacing me or others who aren't active, the team chooses to sacrifice "stomping" every team and play with those who they have most fun with.

tl;dr THUNDER has changed the team around season to season of semi-active players because everyone has fun regardless of winning or losing by any margin, so it's a different situation than teams sandbagging lower divisions because they don't want to put effort into the game and cry if they're going to lose

BrentMusburger · Post by **BrentMusburger** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:55 am

rehpyc wrote:
Only half of our team (jaggon, ryanemo, & tox) actually play the game regularly. The other half has gone through various shifts between each season. Over the past seasons, the other 3 spots have been filled by me, pat, dorito, hudson, dyelife, jgale, & riveroyster.. rebirth and scorch for one or two matches. There may have been others, since there was a season or 2 in which I wasn't really ever around to see how things were going. If the team was to be split in half, the 3 variable spots being filled by regularly active players, it'd just be worse for the community. You'd probably see THUNDER scrim time to time, leading to even better team chemistry than what's already displayed in matches now. It's not simply a matter of winning or losing; it's having fun playing with the group of players this team has. I show up once a week during the season, am pretty washed up and considerably slower/worse than I already was when active, could be easily replaced by a more active sniper, and still the team likes it when I will play. Heck, I was quick to admit to the team that part of the loss to DRUGS on rr2 and the match with Alex's shitty team being close were largely my fault, but instead of replacing me or others who aren't active, the team chooses to sacrifice "stomping" every team and play with those who they have most fun with.

tl;dr THUNDER has changed the team around season to season of semi-active players because everyone has fun regardless of winning or losing by any margin, so it's a different situation than teams sandbagging lower divisions because they don't want to put effort into the game and cry if they're going to lose

All that I'm saying is that the majority of Thunder is/was made up of former REAL invite/main level players--and some of the best players are their positions to boot. Regardless of how inactive you are, the expirence and positioning smarts alone gives you a tremendous advantage. Something tells me that Dorito still knows how to play long on Harrington or that you never forgot how to sniper Donner. It's just like a hall of fame player in sports. Your 80% or 70% at age 40 is still better than a large number of players 100% in the league and sometimes there's still flashes of greatness.

I agree with you dod isn't worth playing unless it's with people that you enjoy playing with. So, I'd never tell you or anywho who to play with. I was just asking.

And also that you're not sandbagging in the true sense because it's not really your fault per say that people can't catch up when you're already at the top. However, I don't think it's an accident the caliber of players that you've always had. Whether it's because you've wanted to win easily, or as veterans, you've simply built relationships with other players that you had played with/against in the higher divisions, or more likely a combination of both.

My question was just in regards to the complaining of how it's such a "burden" that no one can compete with you and I was just simply asking why there was never an attempt to split thunder and create more competition. You gave reasons of inactivity, but what team hasn't had inactivity issues the last 5 years? Sometimes taking some of your friends and beating your other friends can be equally satisfying.

ryanemo · Post by **ryanemo** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:47 am

we actually did try creating 2 thunder teams and the 1 ended up dying, we work better as a revolving door for our roster i guess you could say. it's not a burden, still have fun playing the game, i pretty much do the same as sean now and just show up on match nights. regardless of winning or losing we have fun, i was just saying im surprised people aren't just sick of us winning all the time lol

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:04 am

rehpyc wrote:because they don't want to put effort into the game and cry if they're going to lose

This sentence alone summarizes why people complain about move ups.

BrentMusburger wrote:My question was just in regards to the complaining of how it's such a "burden" that no one can compete with you

From what I've seen of the THUNDER players posting on here, they have plenty of competition still. Though they may still win every time, I've read several times about them having close matches. Isn't that what competition is? Even if you win every time. I'm looking forward to playing them this season. Last time I got to was with whatever team we had that skipped along to the finals and then had no intention to try and win.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:25 am

From what I've seen of the THUNDER players posting on here, they have plenty of competition still. Though they may still win every time, I've read several times about them having close matches. Isn't that what competition is? Even if you win every time. I'm looking forward to playing them this season. Last time I got to was with whatever team we had that skipped along to the finals and then had no intention to try and win.

cough we beat them twice cough. that was two seasons ago but the roster was basically the same. and i was terrible in that finals match on harrington. just sayin

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:28 am

I didn't mean to say that they win EVERY game...my mistake.

In my defense, I don't think I played that season when iwa beat them. Since I started playing again over the last year and a half, I think thunder has won their division every time.

ryanemo · Post by **ryanemo** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:55 am

as long as we have sean kaylas and jared mundy, we are guaranteed victory

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:06 pm

who's we?? last season's final match showed that this team doesn't need you to win against the best! see yourself out, ryan.

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:10 pm

In more important news, what is this schoarship (scholarship) fund at the bottom of the forums? Who ends up getting said scholarship?

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:18 pm

rehpyc wrote:In more important news, what is this schoarship (scholarship) fund at the bottom of the forums? Who ends up getting said scholarship?

emjoi is getting English tutoring lessons.

We'll need to raise $100,000 to get him to a beginner's level.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:22 pm

id love to play and beat thunder. too bad i stink at this lame game :p

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:46 pm

If teams don't bitch up about losing like two matches in a row and, instead disbanding, play the entire upcoming season, I guess I can say that it will be both exciting to play and watch. Akk, gskill (drugs), rr (owned), dumbledore's army, dgf, withclass (t2w), mona vegas, 3h and an unknown european team? All together? I'm sure it'll be fun. And if people try as near as drugs, akk and us tried to beat thunder I believe this time around the ring won't go to corey's fingers. I'm sure we won't likely repeat what we did last season (thrasher is benching now) but I'm very confident that season 27 will belong to kirk's squad.

You heard here first!

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:54 pm

cassinoroyale wrote:If teams don't bitch up about losing like two matches in a row and, instead disbanding, play the entire upcoming season, I guess I can say that it will be both exciting to play and watch. Akk, gskill (drugs), rr (owned), dumbledore's army, dgf, withclass (t2w), mona vegas, 3h and an unknown european team? All together? I'm sure it'll be fun. And if people try as near as drugs, akk and us tried to beat thunder I believe this time around the ring won't go to corey's fingers. I'm sure we won't likely repeat what we did last season (thrasher is benching now) but I'm very confident that season 27 will belong to kirk's squad.

You heard here first!

My squad. Mine. As in, not jules winnfield's squad.

umad jules? ya u mad.

ryanemo · Post by **ryanemo** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:51 pm

FINE SEAN.

i'll leave.

</3.

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:54 pm

good.

and you know the game is dead when alex kirk gets a ring competing in the highest division. the people shouldn't worry, for this will never happen as long as corey is playing the game.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:02 pm

rehpyc wrote:good.

and you know the game is dead when alex kirk gets a ring competing in the highest division. the people shouldn't worry, for this will never happen as long as corey is playing the game.

I have jules winnfield to carry me.

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:29 pm

you're lucky, cause I've recently purchased gaming gloves and had them signed by micol "moneyb" brittain.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:14 pm

alex kirk wrote:
cassinoroyale wrote:If teams don't bitch up about losing like two matches in a row and, instead disbanding, play the entire upcoming season, I guess I can say that it will be both exciting to play and watch. Akk, gskill (drugs), rr (owned), dumbledore's army, dgf, withclass (t2w), mona vegas, 3h and an unknown european team? All together? I'm sure it'll be fun. And if people try as near as drugs, akk and us tried to beat thunder I believe this time around the ring won't go to corey's fingers. I'm sure we won't likely repeat what we did last season (thrasher is benching now) but I'm very confident that season 27 will belong to kirk's squad.

You heard here first!
My squad. Mine. As in, not jules winnfield's squad.

umad jules? ya u mad.

everyone knows who's really pulling the strings

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:56 pm

Swiss wrote:everyone knows who's really pulling the strings

Miller?

acetamino · Post by **acetamino** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:12 pm

alex kirk wrote:
Swiss wrote:everyone knows who's really pulling the strings
Miller?

It's time we tell everyone, Alex.

Miller` · Post by **Miller`** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:16 am

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:18 am

Schmiggs · Post by **Schmiggs** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:19 pm

defiance wrote:

Absolutely amazing.

Beas · Post by **Beas** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:37 pm

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:11 am

Schmiggs wrote:
defiance wrote:
Absolutely amazing.

You do that with your daughter just like I do that with my son, right? Little heathen climbing all over me while playing...

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:09 pm

moosh wrote:We did it boys. We successfully made it back to main!

Strong rep power.

Refuse to rep. Must not ruin the 999.

You a fan of Herman Cain's tax plan, bro?

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:03 am

moosh wrote:And the defiance ruins it. Woohoo. 4 digits!

Here comes the neg train on defiance...

Choo chooooooooo!

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:49 am

alex kirk wrote:
moosh wrote:And the defiance ruins it. Woohoo. 4 digits!
Here comes the neg train on defiance...

Choo chooooooooo!

I can't stop reping you whenever you mention that the mighty neg train is coming! Can I be one of your Routes Engineer?

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:16 am

cassinoroyale wrote:I can't stop reping you whenever you mention that the mighty neg train is coming! Can I be one of your Routes Engineer?

No, no you can't.

Because you'll be too busy being my co-conductor!

greetz · Post by **greetz** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:52 pm

[youtube]ZA4Pu7af58c[/youtube]

i blame this on you, alex

did you hear that. we CAN be successful over this "new world order"

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:29 pm

A 3 hour Youtube video?

Isthisreallife.jpg

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:51 pm

alex kirk wrote:A 3 hour Youtube video?

Isthisreallife.jpg

i know i was amazed....actually THIS may be the beginning of the end

hXc · Post by **hXc** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:23 am

so another 7/8 team invite season? fun

move glock up. they practice a lot.
3h should be moved up for being in the main finals last season too.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:56 am

hXc wrote:so another 7/8 team invite season? fun

move glock up. they practice a lot.
3h should be moved up for being in the main finals last season too.

Do that and you leave middle with 7 teams. There simply isn't enough teams to give each division the number of teams you might want. Easiest way to do that would be mesh the two divisions and modify the playoffs so that it works for all team skill levels.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:23 pm

stealthlol wrote:
hXc wrote:so another 7/8 team invite season? fun

move glock up. they practice a lot.
3h should be moved up for being in the main finals last season too.
Do that and you leave middle with 7 teams. There simply isn't enough teams to give each division the number of teams you might want. Easiest way to do that would be mesh the two divisions and modify the playoffs so that it works for all team skill levels.

^ been saying that!

hXc · Post by **hXc** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:23 pm

there are 10 teams in main.. 10 - 2 = 8

imo people should want to play in invite instead of sand bagging main.

rehpyc · Post by **rehpyc** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:35 am

everything is made from dreams, including a rise out of us

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:46 am

hXc wrote:imo people should want to play in invite instead of sand bagging main.

Wait wait wait, were you not on a lower team called "LIGHTNING" and quit when moved to upper back when there were just two divisions? Perhaps 5-6 seasons ago? Some clarification please.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:13 am

hXc wrote:there are 10 teams in main.. 10 - 2 = 8

imo people should want to play in invite instead of sand bagging main.

When I made that comment, there were 9 teams. Looks like sb got reactivated after ffing last week.

Also, how are teams sandbagging in middle? The competition in middle is pretty much even, except for maybe one or two teams. We (3h) got the finals last seasons, yes. And almost every match we played was won or lost by ~100 points; the majority were much less than that. The only way you're getting more teams in upper is if the divisions get blended together. As I said before, "There simply isn't enough teams to give each division the number of teams you might want."

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:42 am

moosh wrote:I could understand your tired sandbagging argument if we killed our team and reformed with aliases to stay in main, but we didn't. Our roster is EXACTLY the same and TPG feels it would be better to start us off in main.

Fuck you, you sandbagging piece of shit. How dare you try to undermine the sanctity of this league with your deceitful tactics all so you can do better in a video game.

You're a horrible human being for forcing TPG to keep you in main.