Mega-super-cool Soccer thread

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:01 am

milo wrote:

50 million pounds well spent.. Right up there with the 35mil liverpool spent 10 minutes later to bring in Carroll... LOL

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:02 am

Torres is overrated.

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:23 am

By overrated. I mean he's not very good.

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:34 am

He was amazing for Aletico and Liverpool, wasn't until his last season in red/world cup campaign that he looked out of his element... Liverpool broke him

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:58 am

dane wrote:50 million pounds well spent.. Right up there with the 35mil liverpool spent 10 minutes later to bring in Carroll... LOL

I have no doubt that Caroll will be a hit rather than a miss. He was bought for 5years not 6months. The system we are playing right now doesn’t suit Caroll. Downing was brought in to whip in beautiful cross but has however FAILED.

dane wrote:He was amazing for Aletico and Liverpool, wasn't until his last season in red/world cup campaign that he looked out of his element... Liverpool broke him

The last couple of games he played under Kenny he looked like his old self. El Cunto jumped shipped at the first possible opportunity. So much for saying you'll never play for another English club eh, Torres?

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:10 am

can't really blame him with how dismal the reds were and how uncertain their future was at the time...

Doesn't matter he was bought for the future, he will never be good enough to justify a 35mil price tag.... Liverpool loves overspending for overhyped, under preforming English talent though.. Downing, Henderson, Carroll... combined 70-75 mil for those 3? lol.

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:21 am

Oh well, I have no regrets at all. We got 50mill for him and I'm happy with that. Interesting that he told Suarez to come to Liverpool but then leaving couple days later. I wonder if those 2 would have been a deadly combo. In terms of Caroll, he will never be a 35mill player. At best he would be 20. Downing was overpriced but we were calling out for a decent winger with a good crossing ratio. I can understand why we bought Henderson because I think one day he will captain England. Well either him or Phil Jones

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:45 am

Can't see being a captain of England as a good thing..

Downing has 0 assists/goals this season and can't even get a shot on target

Liverpool should go ahead and find David Bentley and sign him up as well, as long as they're looking for useless wingers

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:47 pm

I think the better part about Torres is he was worth way less than his severance fee from Liverpool.

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:05 pm

mg_ wrote:I think the better part about Torres is he was worth way less than his severance fee from Liverpool.

Prices in January are always nuts though... I think Carroll was valued 20 mil too much (15mil seems reasonable?) and Torres, maybe 30-35mil???

Can just be like Arsenal, sell our skipper / top 5 midfielder in the world for a cut price to Barca.. Oh well.

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:22 pm

Downing started well then his form went to shit...Still playing well for England though

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:38 pm

He doesn't deserve a spot in England imo :/

England needs to shed all their old deadweight in the national setup and say goodbye to some old worthless heads like JT.

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:30 pm

dane wrote:
mg_ wrote:I think the better part about Torres is he was worth way less than his severance fee from Liverpool.

Prices in January are always nuts though... I think Carroll was valued 20 mil too much (15mil seems reasonable?) and Torres, maybe 30-35mil???

Can just be like Arsenal, sell our skipper / top 5 midfielder in the world for a cut price to Barca.. Oh well.

Chelsea paid like £41 million I think to separate Torres from LIverpool.

lol.

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:19 pm

Thought it was closer to 50 but either way way too much, but some transfers are weird and way too much either way.. Inter was laughing all the way to the bank for 45mil + Et'to for the swede for example :O BTW Ballack had the better mask between him and Cech

james- · Post by **james-** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:22 am

Regardless, teams have way too much money to dish out on players who let them down. Every rich club makes these ridiculous purchases, bringing in these players who don't work well with the current play style.

dane · Post by **dane** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:26 am

Liverpool's standout player of the season so far...

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:02 pm

ROLL ON SEMI FINAL

lowcarb · Post by **lowcarb** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:42 pm

YEA BABY! FUCK CHELSEA!

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:00 am

Anyone see the draw for Euro 2012?

Group A: Poland, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic
Group B: Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Portugal
Group C: Spain, Italy, Ireland, Croatia
Group D: Ukraine, Sweden, France, England

Group B looks horrifying

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:35 am

rigggggggged.

England will find a way to fuck up the second easiest group, and all the teams in group A shouldn't even be in the tournament... B/C are going to make for some fun group matches.. Croats are gonna upset Italy and make it out of the group

james- · Post by **james-** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:49 pm

England will at least make it out of group stages, you'd have to play with 8 to lose to the Ukraine and sweeden.
I'm kinda surprised by the teams that made it. Back during qualifying I didn't expect to see over half these sides.

And as always, Hup Holland

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:02 pm

milo wrote:Anyone see the draw for Euro 2012?

Group A: Poland, Greece, Russia, Czech Republic
Group B: Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Portugal
Group C: Spain, Italy, Ireland, Croatia
Group D: Ukraine, Sweden, France, England

Group B looks horrifying

C isn't any better. Croatia is nasty.

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:19 pm

England can manage to fuck up their group, they nearly did last year against the mighty powerhouses that is USA/Algeria/Slovenia....

historically bad against Sweden.. Serious away disadvantage playing Ukraine in Donesk I believe, and then France which completely outclassed them and played them off the pitch last year in Wembley...

I guess it's going to be an upset if either Denmark or Portugal come out of group B, although C looks pretty wide open.. People are underestimating Croatia it seems and Italy hasn't looked the same since Cassano went out with his heart problem.. Hopefully we can watch Italy crash and burn...

james- · Post by **james-** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:14 pm

Haha, I'm starting to remember a few sweeden v england games now that you mention it, but don't remember any bad luck. If anything you guys had good luck not losing to sweden in 02(lolol) and 06(amazing cole goal).

Group C will by far be the most entertaining, and you right about Croatia, they're always a contending underdog. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see the croats and spanish come out of this group. Ireland isn't a bad side, but unfortunately they're far from consistent.

Group B will be intense, Denmark has no chance. Holland has had a few retirements, but still has the skills of RVP, kuyt, robben, MVB, etc. their choices on keepers are also huge after the retirement of VDS, as the eredivisie has some incredible goal tenders. Germany is a good side with a good head coach, but I don't see them beating Holland. However I'd love to see the krauts advance with the dutch

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:48 pm

Stekelenburg will wear the #1 for the Dutch... He was great for the national team in the past year and is having a consistent season at AS Roma this year...

England has only beaten Sweden once in the past 44 years (2 weeks ago in a friendly was the only time.....) and yea, the J. Cole goal against them is one of the only standout highlights of the WC2006 for England besides Owen Hargreaves, and we all know how his knees treated him at Bayern and then Man U... such a shame, he was an amazing player :\

milo · Post by **milo** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:13 pm

Both Manchester clubs got eliminated.

WOW.

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:40 pm

milo wrote:Both Manchester clubs got eliminated.

WOW.

Uhh, duh.

milo · Post by **milo** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:20 pm

City, yes. But wasn't expecting United to be utter shit today.

dane · Post by **dane** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:23 pm

IM LOVING IT.

Manchurian Europa League Final? Lololololol

lowcarb · Post by **lowcarb** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:32 pm

la liga real or barca?

i have barca 3-1

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:41 pm

Draw or 2-1 to Madrid.

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:51 pm

Barca has been so sketchy away from the nou camp this season so far... I don't see them coming into the bernabeu and winning against the best looking madrid team in 10 years or so... They're firing on all cylinders.. I expect 3-1 Real.. can't wait to watch though, kinda upset that I don't have GOLTV so forced to watch on espn deportes but it'll still be epic

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:56 pm

milo wrote:City, yes. But wasn't expecting United to be utter shit today.

i didnt necessarily "expect" it but i did "hope"

dane · Post by **dane** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:00 pm

Swiss wrote:
milo wrote:City, yes. But wasn't expecting United to be utter shit today.
i didnt necessarily "expect" it but i did "hope"

haha me2

dane · Post by **dane** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:23 pm

wow talk about barca dominating the game in madrid... didn't expect 3-1 in favor of the blaugrana

also
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RVP!

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:13 pm

dane wrote:Stekelenburg will wear the #1 for the Dutch... He was great for the national team in the past year and is having a consistent season at AS Roma this year...

England has only beaten Sweden once in the past 44 years (2 weeks ago in a friendly was the only time.....) and yea, the J. Cole goal against them is one of the only standout highlights of the WC2006 for England besides Owen Hargreaves, and we all know how his knees treated him at Bayern and then Man U... such a shame, he was an amazing player :\

I'm actually surprised England havent beated us more, England is supposed to be good on football(in my opinion England is = football).

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:27 pm

And someone needs to rename the thread to football not soccer, fuck.

dane · Post by **dane** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:07 pm

england might = football, but their players have no idea how to act as a team and the entire youth system is assfucked as hell... Netherlands produces such a large proportion of world class talents compared to their population size.. down to how they educate their kids.. Football in England is "over the top, chase it down and energy/commitment will make up the skill difference, where as countries such as spain, netherlands, germany etc have adapted the much more technical approach to educating their youth and it's paying large dividends...

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:48 am

dane wrote:england might = football, but their players have no idea how to act as a team and the entire youth system is assfucked as hell... Netherlands produces such a large proportion of world class talents compared to their population size.. down to how they educate their kids.. Football in England is "over the top, chase it down and energy/commitment will make up the skill difference, where as countries such as spain, netherlands, germany etc have adapted the much more technical approach to educating their youth and it's paying large dividends...

Dosen't England have that system were they can pick up players from their former colonies? I know France had that, so they just picked up all good players in their former colonies.

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:34 am

lolinus wrote:
dane wrote:england might = football, but their players have no idea how to act as a team and the entire youth system is assfucked as hell... Netherlands produces such a large proportion of world class talents compared to their population size.. down to how they educate their kids.. Football in England is "over the top, chase it down and energy/commitment will make up the skill difference, where as countries such as spain, netherlands, germany etc have adapted the much more technical approach to educating their youth and it's paying large dividends...
Dosen't England have that system were they can pick up players from their former colonies? I know France had that, so they just picked up all good players in their former colonies.

I think there was a law passed in the 1990s that limited who you play for in the UK from the Commonwealth down to simple naturalization of 5 years. So, me living here in Scotland, if I did so for the next 5 years and applied for citizenship, then I could become eligible for the English team.

However, only Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and England are freely allowed to pick amongst which team in the UK they want to play for, and they can only do so once. Hence, when Ryan Giggs picked to play for Wales he did so because his grandmother or grandfather had been an Welsh national.

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:59 am

Giggs on the other hand shags his brother's wife

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:19 am

Because he's a creepy Welshman.

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:42 pm

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-s ... ing-young/

"Under current regulations, young players can only receive 3,760 hours of contact time up until the age of 21. By contrast youngsters at La Masia (Barca's Academy) receive at least 8,000 hours by the time they reach 18."

dane · Post by **dane** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:56 pm

good read milo

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:08 pm

20 mill for Torres? Seems believable even though the article is from dailyfail...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... riker.html

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:49 am

Yeah, I think The Russian realizes the problems are not with coaching but with the players at this point. Hopefully Torres goes back to Spain for some team like Valencia where it won't be quite as demanding and he can find his groove again.

Chelsea is old. They show it. Lampard being left off the roster this past week speaks volumes.

The English have talent, it's just purely mismanaged. To that I do add they don't have near the dedication to the 1 sport as Germany, Spain, or the Netherlands. There is a ton of emphasis here on Rugby, Cricket, etc. So you're going to have good athletes going multiple routes. Couple that with the fact many players will be playing for Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, and it further reduces the talent pool.

However, 4000+ hours makes a huge difference.

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:52 am

Couldn't England go together with Wales, Scottland and North Ireland go together and form one team under the UK? I think they'd be dominating pretty bad if they did.

And i don't see why they havent done that yet, since England Wales Scottland and North Ireland actually is UK/GB.

dane · Post by **dane** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:46 am

because the welsh want nothing to do with the england, same with the scottish, and both pride themselves on having their own team and NOT being team UK/GB.. (see the huge debate over the upcoming London 2012 team Great Britain )

mg_ · Post by **mg_** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:44 am

It's not that they don't want to. A lot of Welsh and a lot of Scottish have played for the English team. It's really just in the last 5 to 10 years where the expectations have risen to stay home.

Welsh soccer is awful and Wales absolutely does not care about it. So, why would you play for that? Wales cares about Rugby, that's it. Their sole purpose in life is rugby.