A storm is coming

[kirk]

Apparently my standards are too low; sorry, I'll be in my corner sulking...

To your credit, if you add up all 7 women then you'd be far beyond a 10!

[bewton]

I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.

[kirk]

I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.

Not if you're at or below the poverty line and unemployed.

[Airnick15]

I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.

Just because it doesn't affect you or people you know doesn't mean that life is horrible for some people. I can relate to the feeling that you are describing because I've had a job since 2007 and haven't felt the effects of the recession at all, but I think the statement is marginalizing a lot of the hardships people are facing.

[Sears]

[ThatsRight]

bewton wrote:
I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok

LOL?

The state is basically bankrupt, and the bankrupt cities are being taken over by the bankrupt state....the roads are crumbling...schools at the k-12 level just got slammed...tuition at state universities skyrocketed...unemployment is 30% in Detroit....police forces are being cut back....the largest companies here just went bankrupt.

You'd have to be living in a dream world to not think things are bad in Michigan. Half the state looks like a war torn nation. Sure, things are doing better in the more affluent areas and for the highly educated in tech/finance/health...but....now would be a pretty good time to panic.

[ThatsRight]

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The report analyzed Michigan’s economic performance and showed that Michigan’s job losses from July 2000 to July 2008 percentage-wise are worse than U.S. job losses suffered during first eight years of the U.S. Great Depression from 1929-1937. It also showed that Michigan has had worse gross domestic production (GDP) growth from 2000 to 2007 than did the United States during the Great Depression era of 1929-1936. 

http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/13750 ... depression




There really just isn't any way you could look at reality or any data anywhere and come to the conclusion that things aren't bad.

Notice that Dark Green State Called Michigan.

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[bewton]

I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different. Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it. The decline of the auto industry has no doubt been a major factor in the downfall of these cities. I see it as a transition period though, the auto industry is trying to restructure itself to become competitive again.

I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?

[kirk]

I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different. Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it. The decline of the auto industry has no doubt been a major factor in the downfall of these cities. I see it as a transition period though, the auto industry is trying to restructure itself to become competitive again.

I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?

You wouldn't know him from DoD, just from GotFrag! ThatsRight, and if I'm not mistaken, he lives in the Detroit area or close to it.

I think I'll finally be escaping Michigan for good in a few months~

[ThatsRight]

I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different.

The thumb is doing well. My dad actually works as an f&i manager at a car dealership out that way in Caro and he cannot believe the amount of business they do out in that area with farmers specifically.

Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it.

Of course. The actual CITIES of places like Detroit, Flint, and Saginaw have all but collapsed entirely. But for example, Midland is doing quite well with Dow Chemical. They pump alot of money into the area to try and attract good talent. I actually have worked 2 internships in Midland, and once I'm done being a slave bitch in public accounting, I would consider moving back into industry there. I'm not as familiar with the west side of the state, but I know most of the college towns like Mt pleasant or Ann Arbor are booming...."automation ally" is well off and affluent. It's pretty much feast or famine. People with money still have it...the people without are suffering and have little hope for any recovery.

I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?

I'm positive about my position. Like I said, if you're young, have no strings, and are educated in technology, finance, or health then there are plenty of opportunities. All I was saying is that many people were stuck in the transition between "too young to retire and too old to start over". They lost their livelyhoods taken overnight and it's not coming back.

I'm just saying I wouldn't under estimate the problems. In the town I grew up, you can drive across the bridge and literally see miles and miles of empty buildings. Factories that once had 10,000 cars in the parking lot, are sitting empty. It looks like the end of the world. There was a time where all those people had a middle class life style, and made good money and pensions...the bars were packed, they bought cabins up north....sent their kids to school. Now, there's NOTHING left.

Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives?

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[james-]

Pretty sure Detroit has ALWAYS been a giant poop fragrant city.


All of your arguments are void.

[ThatsRight]

Pretty sure Detroit has ALWAYS been a giant poop fragrant city.

No it wasn't. At one time it was the 4th largest city in the United States and went by the name "The Paris of the Midwest". The music, the artwork, theators, ect. It was the manufactering capital of the world. The symbol of American military and economic dominance.

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[Sears]

German version of thatsright.

Is that the guy from Diehard With A Vengeance?

[unpro]

chrysler commercials with eminem, solid tool for proving points.

[lowcarb]

[Sym]

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The report analyzed Michigan’s economic performance and showed that Michigan’s job losses from July 2000 to July 2008 percentage-wise are worse than U.S. job losses suffered during first eight years of the U.S. Great Depression from 1929-1937. It also showed that Michigan has had worse gross domestic production (GDP) growth from 2000 to 2007 than did the United States during the Great Depression era of 1929-1936. 

http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/13750 ... depression




There really just isn't any way you could look at reality or any data anywhere and come to the conclusion that things aren't bad.

Notice that Dark Green State Called Michigan.

[youtube]BI7iel2Ypyc&feature=related[/youtube]

A good video, but it's out of date by a year+ and the map key has changed to show a higher upper limit (14%+ as opposed to 10%+ in the video)

To see the updated maps
2006-2010 : http://www.bls.gov/lau/maps/cnseries.pdf
2011 : http://www.bls.gov/lau/maps/twmcort.pdf

As you can see most districts in Michigan have moved one bracket down, and detroit(metro detroit) in particular has been trending down since '09->'10. Data that you can see for yourself here: http://www.bls.gov/lau/tables.htm

It's still 3% worse than '05 was, but it's 4% better than '09, which was the worst. The numbers now suggest it's not as bad as your video.

Hopefully January will have good numbers as well, which should be out soon, I don't remember when.

[ThatsRight]

Die hard with a Vengence is one of my top 5 favorite movies. It was just on some channel like 2 nights ago and I watched it~




3 gallon jug. 5 gallon jug. You need 4 gallons. Be precise~

Fill the 5 gallon jug. Pour it into the 3. Pour the 3 gallons out onto the ground. Pour the 2 from the 5 gallon jug into the 3. Fill the 5 gallon jug again...and pour it into the 3 gallon jug...leaving you 4 gallons!

chrysler commercials with eminem, solid tool for proving points.

I just like the commercial. However, like I said, Detroit was known as the Paris of the Midwest. You can do your own research on the music talent that's from there, the DIA, Maceys department store, ect ect. It was the symbol of the American middle class; the highest living standards in the history of the world. There really isn't any doubting that Detroit WAS a world class city. It wasn't "always a shithole".

It wasn't until the 70's with stagflation and the "oil shocks" while we transitioned to the dollar standard that Detroit fell into total hell. Suddenly, American manufactering was a crime, and we had to "globalize" ie dollarize the world. 40 years later, and America has been gutted. The ONLY thing keeping it standing is the role as the reserve currency and financial asset bubbles---oh and wars of aggression.


Michigan is having a resurgence in manufactering because the dollar is being devalued to fix imbalances in the world economy. Of course, these types of devaluations are harsh on a society....as the daily American is finding out now. Energy, food, education, healthcare prices through the roof.....living standards dropping deliberately at a slow pace. The only thing keeping this from being a full blown great depression is the U.s government injecting 1 trillion+ of newly printed money into the economy every year via treasuries. Money is debt and debt is money. If there was no debt, there would be no money.