Help Stop Bullying Plz RIP Amanda Todd

DD-aftershock · Post by **DD-aftershock** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:41 am

i know from personal experience about bullying because i was bullied and almost killed a few times by a bully
and i want everyone to help me stop bullying in Real life because it is a crime to bully some one no matter who it is it must be stopped plz watch this and help me stop this crime thankyou

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/ ... story.html

RIP Amanda Todd

Port Coquitlam teen driven to death by cyber-bullying (with video) http://shar.es/59ZTI

this is the article from the Vancouver Sun newspaper in Vancouver BC

seanality · Post by **seanality** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:35 am

Wow Canada has a real bullying problem. We don't have such a problem in America.

but in all seriousness...

I was bullied. But then I realized I was 6'2" and then so the tables had turned.

motive · Post by **motive** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 am

fucking hell that was sad

motive · Post by **motive** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 am

that jimmy eat world song reminds me of a friend i lost too fuck

taylor · Post by **taylor** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:59 am

i bet NOBODY fucks with this guy
[youtube]OYWGF8Hrkg8[/youtube]

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:25 am

taylu_b wrote:i bet NOBODY fucks with this guy
[youtube]OYWGF8Hrkg8[/youtube]

I always wondered what biggie did when he wasn't online on steam. Now I know.

tugger · Post by **tugger** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:29 am

damn that guy went way too far with her pic ;x

Sp|dEr · Post by **Sp|dEr** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:55 am

taylu_b wrote:i bet NOBODY fucks with this guy
[youtube]OYWGF8Hrkg8[/youtube]

I hope big boy recycles!

james- · Post by **james-** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:01 pm

Did he get fatter and grow longer hair? Or do we have an imposter?

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:03 pm

I think the important question here is, does anyone actually have the said boob pic?

Quikey · Post by **Quikey** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:45 pm

Rambizzle wrote:I think the important question here is, does anyone actually have the said boob pic?

I wish I could give you +rep.

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:49 pm

Rambizzle wrote:I think the important question here is, does anyone actually have the said boob pic?

Haha. Yeah someone give us pics.

But honestly it's quite sad that it went that far.

SKiNnTo · Post by **SKiNnTo** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:17 pm

Moral of the story; Don't put your boobs on the internet, you never know who's watching. Some people are crazier now than ever before. If the internet aka facebook keeps killing your life, stay off the internet.

Pretty simple right? The "bullies" were absolutly wrong in what they did but she couldn't fight her internet addiction and that was ultimately her ending.

motive · Post by **motive** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:22 pm

SKiNnTo wrote:Moral of the story; Don't put your boobs on the internet, you never know who's watching.

How is that the moral of the fucking story? Idiot.

tugger · Post by **tugger** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:47 pm

everyone in what happened in that story was wrong at some point even amanda sadly

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:37 pm

SKiNnTo wrote:Moral of the story; Don't put your boobs on the internet, you never know who's watching. Some people are crazier now than ever before. If the internet aka facebook keeps killing your life, stay off the internet.

Pretty simple right? The "bullies" were absolutly wrong in what they did but she couldn't fight her internet addiction and that was ultimately her ending.

You realize we are talking about a child right?

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:00 pm

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:46 pm

sometimes i feel bad about laughing.

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:52 pm

4chan: probably most reliable source of information evar.

Amanda Todd

Ok, well let's just get this all out of the way so you all can stop your bitching about this dead girl. A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4. She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. FUCK YOU! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

We should be talking about the ones who were bullied and managed to survive through it all. The success stories. Because that's what gives kids hope, the ones who know what it's like to be in their shoes. The ones who have walked that road before and came out ok.

What kind of message does it send to impressionable teens that if you go ahead and kill yourself that you will get thousands of likes on a facebook page and everyone will feel sorry for you and give you attention? If you have any self respect for the future then you'd stop and think about where your morals are. If you're too confused with your emotions and common sense, then just get off the internet entirely. No one wants to read your idiotic comments and your emotion filled rage tantrums.

tl;dr Stop giving pity to a dead girl. Give it to the ones who deserve it.

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:19 pm

lolinus wrote:

james- · Post by **james-** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:38 pm

It's an awful story, but I agree with Skinto 100%

She chose to send someone n00dz.
She was open about her personal information on the internet and with strangers.
Also, wtf is with her cutting herself and taking pictures of it? I've known a few suicidal people, and none of them wanted attention that badly, in fact most of them tried to avoid any sort of attention.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:50 pm

james- wrote:It's an awful story, but I agree with Skinto 100%

She chose to send someone n00dz.
She was open about her personal information on the internet and with strangers.
Also, wtf is with her cutting herself and taking pictures of it? I've known a few suicidal people, and none of them wanted attention that badly, in fact most of them tried to avoid any sort of attention.

While bullying can get out of hand, kids need not be sheltered from it 100% of the time. They better get used to it; the world is a cruel place, with zero sympathy. Good parents have enough communication with their kids to understand what problems they may have, and then help them overcome it, or deal with it.

Personally, I've told my son that if anyone lays their hands on him first, lay em the fuck out. He will not be punished at home for simply sticking up or defending himself when the situation was not initiated by him. As a matter of fact, he was at the water park, waiting his turn like all the rest, when this kid shoved by him and cut in front of a bunch of others. Next time that kid touched my son, my son shoved him down the steps and back into the pool of shallow water. He told him to stop shoving and wait his turn like everyone else. What do you know, the damn hooligan complied.

While its unfortunate what happened to this girl, a lot of things that happened, didn't really have to. There's more than just the bullies to blame. In my opinion, the bullying wasn't really over the top.

mike · Post by **mike** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:20 pm

CharlieGiteau wrote:
james- wrote:It's an awful story, but I agree with Skinto 100%

She chose to send someone n00dz.
She was open about her personal information on the internet and with strangers.
Also, wtf is with her cutting herself and taking pictures of it? I've known a few suicidal people, and none of them wanted attention that badly, in fact most of them tried to avoid any sort of attention.
While bullying can get out of hand, kids need not be sheltered from it 100% of the time. They better get used to it; the world is a cruel place, with zero sympathy. Good parents have enough communication with their kids to understand what problems they may have, and then help them overcome it, or deal with it.

Personally, I've told my son that if anyone lays their hands on him first, lay em the fuck out. He will not be punished at home for simply sticking up or defending himself when the situation was not initiated by him. As a matter of fact, he was at the water park, waiting his turn like all the rest, when this kid shoved by him and cut in front of a bunch of others. Next time that kid touched my son, my son shoved him down the steps and back into the pool of shallow water. He told him to stop shoving and wait his turn like everyone else. What do you know, the damn hooligan complied.

While its unfortunate what happened to this girl, a lot of things that happened, didn't really have to. There's more than just the bullies to blame. In my opinion, the bullying wasn't really over the top.

Your son is a fucking champion

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:47 pm

CharlieGiteau wrote: As a matter of fact, he was at the water park, waiting his turn like all the rest, when this kid shoved by him and cut in front of a bunch of others. Next time that kid touched my son, my son shoved him down the steps and back into the pool of shallow water. He told him to stop shoving and wait his turn like everyone else. What do you know, the damn hooligan complied.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:49 am

What's funny is he was 5 at the time, and we didn't intervene or coach him. He manned up and did it on his own, lol.

lolinus · Post by **lolinus** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:52 am

In West Vancouver born and raised
On the tinychat rooms I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all showing some tits to see old men drool
When a couple of guys, who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom held a speech
And said "You're going up yo room now and drink some more bleach"

I started doing drugs while slitting my wrist
while people texted "be an hero, it's all that we insist"
If anything I felt the razor gave me pleasure
But I couldn't carry on, I couldn't stand the pressure

I got fed up of one little hater
And I yelled to the bullies "Yo, cunts smell you later!"
I sighed to myself, I had nowhere to go
so I pulled out some clorox and became an hero.

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:34 am

lolinus wrote:In West Vancouver born and raised
On the tinychat rooms I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all showing some tits to see old men drool
When a couple of guys, who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom held a speech
And said "You're going up yo room now and drink some more bleach"

I started doing drugs while slitting my wrist
while people texted "be an hero, it's all that we insist"
If anything I felt the razor gave me pleasure
But I couldn't carry on, I couldn't stand the pressure

I got fed up of one little hater
And I yelled to the bullies "Yo, cunts smell you later!"
I sighed to myself, I had nowhere to go
so I pulled out some clorox and became an hero.

/b/tard detected.

SKiNnTo · Post by **SKiNnTo** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:00 am

Yup she was a child which means, she put child porn on the web. Is it a crime if a minor sends nudes to a minor?

sloth · Post by **sloth** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:04 pm

rest in peace

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:06 pm

'Bout to drop the bombs in here.

SKiNnTo wrote:Moral of the story; Don't put your boobs on the internet, you never know who's watching. Some people are crazier now than ever before. If the internet aka facebook keeps killing your life, stay off the internet.

Pretty simple right? The "bullies" were absolutly wrong in what they did but she couldn't fight her internet addiction and that was ultimately her ending.

The moral of the story is: don't relentlessly torment a teenage girl for years on end to the point of turning her into a social outcast and subsequent suicide. I don't know where you got your moral from, but it's wrong.

aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:4chan: probably most reliable source of information evar.

I hope you don't agree with this, Andy.

james- wrote:It's an awful story, but I agree with Skinto 100%

She chose to send someone n00dz.
She was open about her personal information on the internet and with strangers.
Also, wtf is with her cutting herself and taking pictures of it? I've known a few suicidal people, and none of them wanted attention that badly, in fact most of them tried to avoid any sort of attention.

I don't know if this deserves a response, but regarding everything you said you are either A) wrong, B) misinformed, or C) not depicting the truth in its entirety.

CharlieGiteau wrote:While bullying can get out of hand, kids need not be sheltered from it 100% of the time. They better get used to it; the world is a cruel place, with zero sympathy. Good parents have enough communication with their kids to understand what problems they may have, and then help them overcome it, or deal with it.

Personally, I've told my son that if anyone lays their hands on him first, lay em the fuck out. He will not be punished at home for simply sticking up or defending himself when the situation was not initiated by him. As a matter of fact, he was at the water park, waiting his turn like all the rest, when this kid shoved by him and cut in front of a bunch of others. Next time that kid touched my son, my son shoved him down the steps and back into the pool of shallow water. He told him to stop shoving and wait his turn like everyone else. What do you know, the damn hooligan complied.

While its unfortunate what happened to this girl, a lot of things that happened, didn't really have to. There's more than just the bullies to blame. In my opinion, the bullying wasn't really over the top.

Congratulations on teaching your child that violence is an acceptable response to bullying. Seriously, that always bodes well. The whole traditional notion of "just respond with violence" leads to...well...more violence. This is on par with people who think hitting their kids is a legitimate form of behavior modification. Truth is, it's not.

SKiNnTo wrote:Yup she was a child which means, she put child porn on the web. Is it a crime if a minor sends nudes to a minor?

Nope, I don't think so, actually.

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:55 pm

alex kirk wrote:
aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:4chan: probably most reliable source of information evar.
I hope you don't agree with this, Andy.

Agree with what? 4chan being the most reliable source of information "evar" or the content of what was posted?

If the former, obviously not and I hope you can detect the sarcasm.
If the latter, I just copypasted what was on 4chan. Obviously, what that says may not and probably doesn't reflect the reality of the situation, but that post has a point and I do agree with parts of it. I won't delve too deep into this debate since I don't know to which you were referring.

alex kirk wrote:
SKiNnTo wrote:Yup she was a child which means, she put child porn on the web. Is it a crime if a minor sends nudes to a minor?
Nope, I don't think so, actually.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it is a crime--or at least can be interpreted as one. Children taking pictures of themselves nude and sending them to others can be construed as producing and distributing child pornography and I'm pretty sure some kids are actually registered sex offenders as a result, sadly. There's a lot of debate about the sex offender registry as there isn't really a distinction between the severity of offenses.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/us/21 ... d=all&_r=0
First Google search result. Research further if you're remotely interested.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:12 pm

aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:There's a lot of debate about the sex offender registry as there isn't really a distinction between the severity of offenses.

Andy knows a thing or two about the sex offender registry.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:26 pm

alex kirk wrote: Congratulations on teaching your child that violence is an acceptable response to bullying. Seriously, that always bodes well. The whole traditional notion of "just respond with violence" leads to...well...more violence. This is on par with people who think hitting their kids is a legitimate form of behavior modification. Truth is, it's not.

Sticking up for yourself isn't always defined as violence. I take it you would let people beat on you instead of defending yourself? I didn't think so.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:28 pm

CharlieGiteau wrote:
alex kirk wrote: Congratulations on teaching your child that violence is an acceptable response to bullying. Seriously, that always bodes well. The whole traditional notion of "just respond with violence" leads to...well...more violence. This is on par with people who think hitting their kids is a legitimate form of behavior modification. Truth is, it's not.
Sticking up for yourself isn't always defined as violence. I take it you would let people beat on you instead of defending yourself? I didn't think so.

Alex lets people beat on him on a daily basis.

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:54 pm

stealthlol wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:
alex kirk wrote: Congratulations on teaching your child that violence is an acceptable response to bullying. Seriously, that always bodes well. The whole traditional notion of "just respond with violence" leads to...well...more violence. This is on par with people who think hitting their kids is a legitimate form of behavior modification. Truth is, it's not.
Sticking up for yourself isn't always defined as violence. I take it you would let people beat on you instead of defending yourself? I didn't think so.
Alex lets people beat on him on a daily basis.

More like...

Alex lets people beat off on him on a daily basis. NAMSAAAAYYINNNNNNN?!

stile · Post by **stile** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:30 pm

http://am.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/06/figh ... t-bullies/

i'm not saying violence is the immediate answer, but when it's necessary, sometimes you have to lay it down. kids can't rely on teachers to do anything.

nik · Post by **nik** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:40 pm

SKiNnTo · Post by **SKiNnTo** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:56 pm

From what I've read, it seemed she constantly got herself back into the sh*t that kept her problems around. Stay off the net if that's what keeps bringing the problems back into your life. Social media seemed to be her worst enemy and yet she kept going back to it and to top it off, she made a youtube video. Typical media makes it go viral after shes gone. And now we are talking about it, to bad its too late.

RIP Amanda Todd.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:07 pm

aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:Actually, I'm pretty sure it is a crime--or at least can be interpreted as one. Children taking pictures of themselves nude and sending them to others can be construed as producing and distributing child pornography and I'm pretty sure some kids are actually registered sex offenders as a result, sadly. There's a lot of debate about the sex offender registry as there isn't really a distinction between the severity of offenses.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/us/21 ... d=all&_r=0
First Google search result. Research further if you're remotely interested.

A minor sending topless photos to another minor =/= an adult sending nude photos to a minor.

CharlieGiteau wrote:Sticking up for yourself isn't always defined as violence. I take it you would let people beat on you instead of defending yourself? I didn't think so.

Was your son being threatened because someone cut him in line for a water slide? I didn't think so.

SKiNnTo wrote:From what I've read, it seemed she constantly got herself back into the sh*t that kept her problems around. Stay off the net if that's what keeps bringing the problems back into your life. Social media seemed to be her worst enemy and yet she kept going back to it and to top it off, she made a youtube video. Typical media makes it go viral after shes gone. And now we are talking about it, to bad its too late.

RIP Amanda Todd.

I think you're mistaken. She sent topless photos to some dude when she was 12, and that incident kept coming back to her. I think she hooked up with a guy that had a girlfriend, too, and she received all the blame for that incident (not the guy).

Ultimately the point is: she did not deserve the treatment she received. Even if her actions which led to that treatment was ill-guided (she was 12, must I remind you), it was not deserved. Therefore, the bullying is at fault.

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:07 pm

If I didn't know any better, I'd swear kirk had a vagina.

Do you even pedal?

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:15 pm

alex kirk wrote: Was your son being threatened because someone cut him in line for a water slide? I didn't think so.

He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.

james- · Post by **james-** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:24 pm

I don't know if this deserves a response, but regarding everything you said you are either A) wrong, B) misinformed, or C) not depicting the truth in its entirety.

Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed me

She was way too open with her personal information and it bit her in the ass.

It reminds me of those retarded stories on bb.com where guys troll girls on facebook/pof, except this time it's not funny because you hear the other side of the story.

I really don't care about this situation at all, but I'm downloading the walking dead right now and have nothing to do until it's done.

Todo · Post by **Todo** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:42 pm

I don't have a lot to add here, except that I agree with almost all of what Kirk said. The one deviation is that, as far as I can tell, it's a crime under the US code to send a nudie from minor to minor. But that's the US, and we're talking about Canada. Sandusky got 30-60 for double digit counts. Graham James, in Canada, got 2+ years for hundreds -- HUNDREDS -- of counts charged. The Canadian system is thoroughly flawed, and it doesn't stop at this.

*Edit: here's the quick comparison I was looking for https://twitter.com/EricOnSportsLaw/sta ... 5302731777

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:28 am

aLpha.cn-[tang] wrote:Actually, I'm pretty sure it is a crime--or at least can be interpreted as one. Children taking pictures of themselves nude and sending them to others can be construed as producing and distributing child pornography and I'm pretty sure some kids are actually registered sex offenders as a result, sadly. There's a lot of debate about the sex offender registry as there isn't really a distinction between the severity of offenses.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/us/21 ... d=all&_r=0
First Google search result. Research further if you're remotely interested.
A minor sending topless photos to another minor =/= an adult sending nude photos to a minor.

Yes, I understand. If you read the whole article, you would've caught this:

Last year, a 14-year-old New Jersey girl was arrested and charged with possession and distribution of child pornography after posting dozens of sexually explicit photographs of herself on MySpace.

Yes, it isn't specifically sending it to another minor (this is the very first article found after a Google search), but the act of simply sending it can be interpreted as distribution and I assume strictly minor-to-minor cases can be and has been dealt with similarly. As it says later in the article, some states have amended their child pornography laws to take into account certain situations and specifically punish those who circulate photos to people for which they weren't intended instead of just the blanket federal laws enforced now. Again, I'm not absolutely clear and just speaking from what I understand. Do more research if you're interested.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:38 am

CharlieGiteau wrote:He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.

That is advocating violence whether you like it or not. There's a reason we look up to people who do the exact opposite and have gone down in history as some of the most admirable men (and women). Violence is a last resort sort of thing. You're telling your child it isn't.

Your son now believes violence is an appropriate response even if his safety is not in immediate danger. Rather, it is appropriate simply due to some kid having shitty parents (and subsequent manners) who did not teach him/her respect.

james- wrote:Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed me

She was way too open with her personal information and it bit her in the ass.

It reminds me of those retarded stories on bb.com where guys troll girls on facebook/pof, except this time it's not funny because you hear the other side of the story.

I really don't care about this situation at all, but I'm downloading the walking dead right now and have nothing to do until it's done.

Bro, she was 12 years-old. Since when do 12 year-olds have the same kind of understanding regarding the long-term implications of their actions? You are taking your adult mentality and applying it to a child as though it holds constant. It doesn't. She has no fucking clue what she's doing.

And I agree about bb.com - I think the people who do that are pieces of shit. And if one of those girls killed themselves for incessant harassment over the course of years, guess who I would blame?

Tell me: was the bullying justified? Did she deserve that kind of reaction? If so: elaborate. If not: the fault lies in the bullying. Try to tell me otherwise. The second you acknowledge the bullies took it too far is the second you are admitting they are in the wrong, and the reason for her suicide. If you can prove otherwise, I would love to hear it.

Todo wrote:I don't have a lot to add here, except that I agree with almost all of what Kirk said. The one deviation is that, as far as I can tell, it's a crime under the US code to send a nudie from minor to minor. But that's the US, and we're talking about Canada. Sandusky got 30-60 for double digit counts. Graham James, in Canada, got 2+ years for hundreds -- HUNDREDS -- of counts charged. The Canadian system is thoroughly flawed, and it doesn't stop at this.

*Edit: here's the quick comparison I was looking for https://twitter.com/EricOnSportsLaw/sta ... 5302731777

Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: fuck you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.

I did not realize a minor would get in trouble - thanks for clearing it up. All the same, that, to me, is kind of a non-issue in that her sending nudes to another minor/minors does not justify what people did to her, and subsequently they deserve the blame as that was the motivation leading up to her suicide.

Girl sends nudes --> people harass her for years --> suicide

If the middle portion of that chain is unjustified, then the suicide lies on those people. If they were "right" in how they treated her for the years following her incident as a 12 year-old, then I guess it's all her fault. But good luck convincing anyone that reaction was justified (not directed at you, Todo, just rambling here).

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:58 am

alex kirk wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:He was shoved. He stuck up for himself and shoved back. Either way, the other kid quit, no one was hurt, and all was well on the pirate ship water slide attraction. You're assuming I'm an advocate for violence among children, which I'm obviously not.
That is advocating violence whether you like it or not. There's a reason we look up to people who do the exact opposite and have gone down in history as some of the most admirable men (and women). Violence is a last resort sort of thing. You're telling your child it isn't.

Your son now believes violence is an appropriate response even if his safety is not in immediate danger. Rather, it is appropriate simply due to some kid having shitty parents (and subsequent manners) who did not teach him/her respect.

james- wrote:Did you watch her little video? She pretty much holds up 3 cards saying A) I was looking for attention on the internet B) Guys told me I was cute and they asked for nudes C) I sent them nudes and they blackmailed me

She was way too open with her personal information and it bit her in the ass.

It reminds me of those retarded stories on bb.com where guys troll girls on facebook/pof, except this time it's not funny because you hear the other side of the story.

I really don't care about this situation at all, but I'm downloading the walking dead right now and have nothing to do until it's done.
Bro, she was 12 years-old. Since when do 12 year-olds have the same kind of understanding regarding the long-term implications of their actions? You are taking your adult mentality and applying it to a child as though it holds constant. It doesn't. She has no fucking clue what she's doing.

And I agree about bb.com - I think the people who do that are pieces of shit. And if one of those girls killed themselves for incessant harassment over the course of years, guess who I would blame?

Tell me: was the bullying justified? Did she deserve that kind of reaction? If so: elaborate. If not: the fault lies in the bullying. Try to tell me otherwise. The second you acknowledge the bullies took it too far is the second you are admitting they are in the wrong, and the reason for her suicide. If you can prove otherwise, I would love to hear it.

Todo wrote:I don't have a lot to add here, except that I agree with almost all of what Kirk said. The one deviation is that, as far as I can tell, it's a crime under the US code to send a nudie from minor to minor. But that's the US, and we're talking about Canada. Sandusky got 30-60 for double digit counts. Graham James, in Canada, got 2+ years for hundreds -- HUNDREDS -- of counts charged. The Canadian system is thoroughly flawed, and it doesn't stop at this.

*Edit: here's the quick comparison I was looking for https://twitter.com/EricOnSportsLaw/sta ... 5302731777
Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: fuck you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.

I did not realize a minor would get in trouble - thanks for clearing it up. All the same, that, to me, is kind of a non-issue in that her sending nudes to another minor/minors does not justify what people did to her, and subsequently they deserve the blame as that was the motivation leading up to her suicide.

Girl sends nudes --> people harass her for years --> suicide

If the middle portion of that chain is unjustified, then the suicide lies on those people. If they were "right" in how they treated her for the years following her incident as a 12 year-old, then I guess it's all her fault. But good luck convincing anyone that reaction was justified (not directed at you, Todo, just rambling here).

this is why i miss you, alex. waiting for a reference to nietzsche

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:55 am

Swiss wrote:this is why i miss you, alex. waiting for a reference to nietzsche

Bullies = birds of prey
Amanda Todd = lamb

Nietzsche, being the piece of shit he was, would probably be okay with this. Something about power struggle and what not. Maybe sloth in his ignorant bliss regarding Nietzsche's morality can chime in, though.

Thread: complete.

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:59 am

another victim of bullying:

Polak · Post by **Polak** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:54 am

Rambizzle wrote:another victim of bullying:

I peed myself. Thumbs up.

Todo · Post by **Todo** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:40 pm

alex kirk wrote: Is this THE Todo? Or some knock-off Todo? If the former: good to see your name! If the latter: fuck you kid change your username. And apologize for breaking my heart.

Haha, yeah, it's me. Nice to see old names again.