Another 1 Down?

nik · Post by **nik** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:19 am

btw thx for negging me with your awesome 1milion rep sears.

Now I won't have to worry about my rep for months. Who knows, if I was on green I might be tempted to kiss ass on this forum just for this overglorified e-meter.

ps your story earlier in the thread was amusing.

Sp|dEr · Post by **Sp|dEr** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:46 am

ward · Post by **ward** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:18 pm

Why is this kid still playing in the GSR server?

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:41 pm

I guess they're still reviewing the demo....
MFW when I join the server and he's there, still not banned

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:22 pm

moosh wrote:Because its a cheater safe haven, according to reddog.

Then someone please give me a wallhack, going for that rank one.

Jakimo · Post by **Jakimo** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:01 pm

motive wrote:

o hay

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:06 pm

Dear Eric,

Have not seen the Forever Alone video hit the Archives yet.

Please advise.

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:10 pm

Oh, and if he sends you any more of those corny ass letters, you should ask him why he stole pictures from my Facebook, and uploaded them onto his dodmovies.net bullshit like they are his.

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:58 pm

mogers wrote:Dear Eric,

Have not seen the Forever Alone video hit the Archives yet.

Please advise.

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:44 am

CraftyDus wrote:
Manner wrote:
Anything special with those clips? All I see is random footage.
Watch in HD, In the first one hes shooting directly at a crouched player through 2 mountain tunnel corners.

In the second what appears at first to be random minor adjustments to his camped position on bridge looking trip, is actually him reacting tit-for-cheating-tat toward the player carefully making his way out of "L"

The third has him squeezing a few rounds directly at a player through bridge-house corner and the mound between spawn and trip. This is coming off of his spawn ramp.

Watch the hltv 3-side posted to get a better idea of what he's hearing in those three spots (or rather, not hearing)

1st clip: Nothing really special from my view, after he missed the shot on the guy who ran from ladder to what I also had think to sewer/mountain steps, I had also prefire around the corner 1/3 of the times. When he wait after he prefired around the corner, around 99% wait after he have shoot and no one is there, because many people are going to see if his still there(rws in this case).

2nd clip : Nothing really special here, I don't know if this is a beginning of the round/after capout or if he just wait for his partner to spawn, so someone of them can move up and have someone behind to hold the one if he gets killed. Many people are sitting there at bridge, because it's gives a good luck if someone is at trip/ladder.

3rd clip : I don't know if this happend because it's no damn sound (GG), but if you look at the minimap you see a nade coming to the one and you will hear it. So he know it will come some to the one from trip(if the guy don't go to ladder). Also, around the corner where he shot at, there's many people who stand/crouch there, because it gives you a good view when someone come out from spawn/coming from double door.
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Upload clips WITH SOUND ffs, it's to say without any sound .(+ vent recordings had also been good, but I also I dont see a point of recording it unless it's a tpg match)

It's like a watching a review/movie of something and it's no sound

carpenter · Post by **carpenter** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:46 am

moosh wrote:
ward wrote:Why is this kid still playing in the GSR server?
Because its a cheater safe haven, according to reddog.

You're severely misinformed if you think we condone cheating. We don't ban people because we can like Jakimo advocated earlier. (<3 jakiiks) From what I understand, I am fairly new, we ban people based on evidence on our servers. We are currently reviewing demos of rws "cheating" on our server. If our AC determines he's cheating, he will be banned. I know he was tpg banned. Does that mean he is cheating on our server? Probably. We are in the process of making that decision ourselves.

Note - This is my opinion. Not GSR's official take, so if you want to hate on this post, hate on me; not GSR.

akiro · Post by **akiro** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:41 am

Jesus as soon as that vid started i was like god nicks voice is so distinguishable.

Sp3c-BuLLeT · Post by **Sp3c-BuLLeT** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:23 am

Sears wrote:
mogers wrote:Dear Eric,

Have not seen the Forever Alone video hit the Archives yet.

Please advise.

Ouch

ward · Post by **ward** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:40 am

carpenter wrote:
moosh wrote:
ward wrote:Why is this kid still playing in the GSR server?
Because its a cheater safe haven, according to reddog.
You're severely misinformed if you think we condone cheating. We don't ban people because we can like Jakimo advocated earlier. (<3 jakiiks) From what I understand, I am fairly new, we ban people based on evidence on our servers. We are currently reviewing demos of rws "cheating" on our server. If our AC determines he's cheating, he will be banned. I know he was tpg banned. Does that mean he is cheating on our server? Probably. We are in the process of making that decision ourselves.

Note - This is my opinion. Not GSR's official take, so if you want to hate on this post, hate on me; not GSR.

Well it would certainly piss off a lot of frequent players there if your sophisticated anti cheat team failed to ban a kid who's clearly a cheating idiot. I mean....its been over a week...shouldn't take that long.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:31 am

siXten wrote: 1st clip: Nothing really special from my view, after he missed the shot on the guy who ran from ladder to what I also had think to sewer/mountain steps, I had also prefire around the corner 1/3 of the times. When he wait after he prefired around the corner, around 99% wait after he have shoot and no one is there, because many people are going to see if his still there(rws in this case).

Spoiler: show

siXten wrote: 2nd clip : Nothing really special here, I don't know if this is a beginning of the round/after capout or if he just wait for his partner to spawn, so someone of them can move up and have someone behind to hold the one if he gets killed. Many people are sitting there at bridge, because it's gives a good luck if someone is at trip/ladder.

Spoiler: show

siXten wrote: 3rd clip : I don't know if this happend because it's no damn sound (GG), but if you look at the minimap you see a nade coming to the one and you will hear it. So he know it will come some to the one from trip(if the guy don't go to ladder). Also, around the corner where he shot at, there's many people who stand/crouch there, because it gives you a good view when someone come out from spawn/coming from double door.

Spoiler: show

siXten wrote: Upload clips WITH SOUND ffs, it's to say without any sound .(+ vent recordings had also been good, but I also I dont see a point of recording it unless it's a tpg match)
It's like a watching a review/movie of something and it's no sound

I hate to repeat myself yet again, but like I said a couple times before, this isn't a proper cheater movie, I was simply dicking around with wireframe in hlae which you can download here http://archives.nineteeneleven.org/

I didn't record this hltv, 3-Sided Quarter did. Which is why I like playing 12 mans on his server.

I can understand the subtle nuance is difficult to perceive.

Please stop captaining 12 mans. Ability to no-scope ≠ Ability to pick decent team.

.......................................

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:13 am

CraftyDus wrote:Ability to no-scope ≠ Ability to pick decent team.

Wait... playing bad isn't an indication that you understand the game?

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:14 am

I have to agree with nik that the videos really don't show much in such short clips, BUT, as you have explained Crafty, there's more to the story than just simply watching the clips. Its one thing to scrim/12 man believing that everyone is playing honest, but its another when you have a feeling and are baiting the suspected cheater into revealing it(I did it to the Dr_House_CZ guy I just got perm banned on GSR). Think of the video they made of that one idiot on harrington, when the opposing team members were doing only hand signals prone, and getting shot through walls on long. I think he was french-canadian?

I talked to rws lastnight when he messaged me, saying to him I'm no AC, that the clips were condemning, but don't honestly know if he's cheating or not. He asked me to watch his demos, but I refused, and I told him there are far more experienced people that review them. Just watching those few clips, I'm not sold either way, but I do trust the TPG-AC to the extent that I feel they made a correct call. Watching kills, nades on minimaps, thinking of vent calls, watching recoil/xhair control...way too much goes into determining cheating for me to make a clear distinction when people are trying very hard to hide it.

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:21 am

The fact that so many people aren't banned from TPG seems to indicate that they are very cautious with their bans. My guess is that you have to be pretty blatant for the TPG-AC to be convinced you're cheating.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:22 am

scorch- wrote:The fact that so many people aren't banned from TPG seems to indicate that they are very cautious with their bans. My guess is that you have to be pretty blatant for the TPG-AC to be convinced you're cheating.

I agree with you there.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:31 am

scorch- wrote: Wait... playing bad isn't an indication that you understand the game?

Dude he picks me 4th. He shouldn't captain.
I understand I'm terribad. Thanks.

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:02 am

CraftyDus wrote:
Please stop captaining 12 mans. Ability to no-scope ≠ Ability to pick decent team.

Do you know that I(and other people from europe and SA) got a delay(I have like 5ms delay) when I(we) play on american servers, so 65%% of the time I have to guess where the other guy is going to move? ( + I got 120-150 ping if you didnt know that, idiot)

I only play with the people who are in my teams (my tpg euro team, my ED/TPG nightcup team and tpg2 team + just a few others). So it's like 1/5 (or 1/6)of this(american) community I pretty much know.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:17 am

To be perfectly clear I will re-phrase.
Your ability to no-scope (which is good) is not equal to your ability to pick teams in a 12 man (which is not good).
It's like 40 minutes of frustration. Be a good guy and let someone who recognizes everybody give it a go.
FYI I'm a last pick in most xm pugs. Best day maybe 5th.

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:03 am

Crafty, you're always my #1 pick in 12mans.

#1craftyfanboyhere

ward · Post by **ward** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:47 am

CharlieGiteau wrote:He asked me to watch his demos,

It would be pretty fucking pointless to watch the demos that he just recorded AFTER he got caught.....he's in defensive mode right now trying to maintain his e-presence in GSR.

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:25 pm

ward wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:He asked me to watch his demos,
It would be pretty fucking pointless to watch the demos that he just recorded AFTER he got caught.....he's in defensive mode right now trying to maintain his e-presence in GSR.

Sadly, he does some pretty fishy shit to me in there... and... it's... me...

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:45 pm

ward wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:He asked me to watch his demos,
It would be pretty fucking pointless to watch the demos that he just recorded AFTER he got caught.....he's in defensive mode right now trying to maintain his e-presence in GSR.

I'm suspecting he wanted me to watch the HLTV, not his current demos that he's been recording here recently. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:50 pm

Sears wrote:
mogers wrote:Dear Eric,

Have not seen the Forever Alone video hit the Archives yet.

Please advise.

Eric I feel like plus repping you doesn't make a difference, but god damnit, I'm gonna do it anyway.

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:57 pm

siXten wrote:I have to guess where the other guy is going to move? ( + I got 120-150 ping if you didnt know that, idiot)

That's not true at all, you don't have to guess where the players are gonna move, it just takes longer for your shots to register on the guy. OH HOW DO I KNOW!?!?!??!

siXten wrote:I only play with the people who are in my teams (my tpg euro team, my ED/TPG nightcup team and tpg2 team + just a few others). So it's like 1/5 (or 1/6)of this(american) community I pretty much know.

Then why do you captain? Idiot.

Also. Don't call crafty and idiot since your 16year old ass can't understand that you should be in spec waiting to be the fat kid.

SKiNnTo · Post by **SKiNnTo** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:35 pm

Seems like Cage has done some work on some jimmies! High 5 crafty as well. This thread might outlast the steroid era in MLB!

DinG · Post by **DinG** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:38 pm

moosh wrote:He's obviously cheating in the videos. Picks terrible spots but has a reaction time of instant. Cheating.

Sshh Moosh! His reactions are terrible based on those movies! I don't know where I stand in this scenario, when he is playing on GSR I have the suspicion he cheats but after playing him on a 12 man I thought he was awful. Who knows?!

nomis · Post by **nomis** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:43 pm

I always thought he was awful, but if he's using some jump script stuff at the very least, still a cheater. Dunno about walls, I'd have to watch through the demo myself

acetamino · Post by **acetamino** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:49 pm

While engaging in play on the server, a player proceeded to call cheats on me (nothing new) and talk out of his ass to make himself look like a moron. After continually taking a dump all over him, he out of nowhere "got much better." After pulling a couple juke moves on him I was able to determine that he had toggled on in his rage of fury of being bad at this game.

http://www.gsrangers.com/forums/viewtop ... =66&t=6358

Sp3c-BuLLeT · Post by **Sp3c-BuLLeT** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:02 pm

moosh wrote:So just pubbed with him. Apparently he can hear me make a tiny noise while all talk is going fucking crazy.

I turn in game voice off. Pubbing with in game chat on is always a nightmare imho. And if Voldemort was talking in game I wouldn't put it past him to turn the receive all the way down, because he doesn't planning on hearing you. He just wants to talk non-stop the entire time.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:45 pm

ward · Post by **ward** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:05 pm

k4b00m wrote:

About time. <IDIOT DOWN>

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:21 pm

He still couldn't stop, wow. That's pretty dense. Is there a post on the GSR forums yet?

nomis · Post by **nomis** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:29 pm

k4b00m wrote:

JUSTICE!

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:33 pm

Kind of disappointed I never got a chance to pub on there with him, just to see what all this commotion was about.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:54 pm

stealthlol wrote:Kind of disappointed I never got a chance to pub on there with him, just to see what all this commotion was about.

His play style seemed to become a lot more passive on GSR once he was banned from TPG. Especially when he had to play against some of the upper tier players. Honestly, you didn't miss a whole lot.

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:07 pm

I can't believe there has even been a debate. We are talking about the WORST league player in DoD history. That's 10+ years of shitty dorks, and no one was ever worse than this idiot. If he was able to frag at even a 1:4 ratio, he was obviously cheating.

ward · Post by **ward** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:36 pm

Sears wrote:I can't believe there has even been a debate. We are talking about the WORST league player in DoD history. That's 10+ years of shitty dorks, and no one was ever worse than this idiot. If he was able to frag at even a 1:4 ratio, he was obviously cheating.

GSR refused to ban him from their server until they screened demos recorded there.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:42 pm

ward wrote:
Sears wrote:I can't believe there has even been a debate. We are talking about the WORST league player in DoD history. That's 10+ years of shitty dorks, and no one was ever worse than this idiot. If he was able to frag at even a 1:4 ratio, he was obviously cheating.
GSR refused to ban him from their server until they screened demos recorded there.

No, it wasn't that they refused the demo because it wasn't recorded there.
They just took several days to review 3-Sided's hltv and discuss it.
There are those that don't play in the league and those that prefer to err on the side of caution.

joeledmunds · Post by **joeledmunds** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:47 am

Wow people should really ease up on the GSR pub here. Just because they have one of the only decent pubs left does not mean that they are affiliated with the league at all. It's still their server and their right to police it as they see fit. They took what people were saying under consideration, but they don't have to blindly follow anything our completely seperate league says.

Good to see them ban that idiot though.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:47 am

joeledmunds wrote:Wow people should really ease up on the GSR pub here. Just because they have one of the only decent pubs left does not mean that they are affiliated with the league at all. It's still their server and their right to police it as they see fit. They took what people were saying under consideration, but they don't have to blindly follow anything our completely seperate league says.

Good to see them ban that idiot though.

GSR is the official TPG pub.

nik · Post by **nik** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:53 am

CraftyDus wrote:When I said "someone needs to make a proper cheater video" & "I found these real quick"

http://archives.nineteeneleven.org/Movies/rws.wmv

This should be better. Not sure if it's proof though.