Dear Defiance

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:12 pm

Sears wrote:Everyone needs to take the sand out of their respective vaginas (no offense jaz/sapphire/softersin/laura/pat).

In my opinion, I think defiance means well, and deserves credit for stepping up and running the league when Narc had to take a hiatus due to RL issues. However, when he made the decision to not allow Narc to come back, and furthermore to fire the rest of the admins and unban players, and the way that he went about making those decisions, he took a huge risk. Those were pretty bold moves by a new admin who didn't have a lot of credibility with some of the older players and that's resulted in a fair share of backlash. But lets be real, he could have gone about all of that a lot better and spared himself a lot of misery. "Hiatus." Thats a funny word, and shows whom you have been talking to and continue to believe. Narc was supposed to be gone 1 month, not 10. After that, the hiatus was over and he was done. Narc didn't even come back on his own, only at the request of Tox. I told Narc he could come back and we could run it together. He refused because he wanted total control of everything, including letting Tox do whatever the fuck he wants. He went behind my back without even talking to me, to get bullet to delete me. After that, of course I am going to get rid of Tox. Do you want me to not fire an admin who tried to have me deleted? Yeah, I am sure you would do the same thing. Pat stopped watching demos, his job was to watch demos, as far as I am concerned he quit, and was asked to come back whenever he was ready, so don't give me that. No other admin was "fired" besides Tox.

Reacting in the way that defiance has to the backlash, in my opinion, has been much more damaging than the decisions themselves. The backlash has been day in and day out for almost 3 weeks now. You think that is not going to start to upset someone? There has literally been no break from the constant bullshit. I considered alot of these people my friends, and was truly hurt by their actions.

In some of the posts that he has made, in this thread and others, I've gotten the impression that defiance takes his responsibility of being a tpg admin a little too seriously, that he genuinely feels that he is in a position of power, and that he has reacted in a way that is often out of anger and paranoia over losing that perceived power. Which is really stupid. If you take every bit of criticism that you get from the community personally, and make decisions based on that criticism, you're going to have a really bad time. When you react the way that he has at times publicly, it just comes of as an angry server admin getting pissed at everyone in your pub for quick-switching. Except, since we have talked maybe 3-4 times in our lives, you would know nothing about me or what I feel or perceive. I didn't even want this want Narc first left, but the only alternatives were letting Tox or Pat do it, and that sure as hell wasn't going to happen. If I care about "being in power" why the hell am i voluntarily quitting? It is not in my personality to be a leader or in charge of anything. I did it out of a feeling of responsibility of keeping dod going.

To me personally, it's been frustrating at times because I've tried to be as helpful to tpg/defiance as I can be, but I've heard nothing but drama and shit talking about me/1911 through the grapevine, but he's never had the balls to say anything to me when I've actually talked to him. I'm not sure how much of what I've heard is true, but it's pretty moronic and weak regardless.You've tried to be helpful to me? How so? You didn't come to me either. We've literally never talked, and all i heard through that same grapevine was that you hate me, want to kill TPG, want to start your own league so that you can let the people you like run it. How do you expect me to react to that? Don't act like I didn't come to you on Steam to try to get it all sorted out. But instead, you just played dumb in our conversation and treated me like an idiot.

I am not going to let you control the narrative, so either drop the subject/lock the post like it was, or I will keep telling my side of the story, because clearly, you've only heard one, or only care to hear one. Edit: And yea, I do care what you think, because A) You run this site and have a lot of influence, and B) Are one of the few people capable of running a league.

poizoned · Post by **poizoned** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:21 pm

milo wrote:I would like to say I'm disappointed with the standard of gifs recently. [insert you think this is a motherfucking game?.gif] A gif is a work of art, not some awful gif you take from tumblr. I, for one, take pride in the gif I post and you should too. With that being said, can a brother get an amen or even some good effing gifs?

AlopeX · Post by **AlopeX** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:24 pm

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:28 pm

Tue Apr 09, 2013 05:14 pm

defiance wrote:im done with 1911 from here on out. i can be reached on steam if someone wants to talk about this garbage.

Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:12 pm

defiance wrote:
Sears wrote:Everyone needs to take the sand out of their respective vaginas (no offense jaz/sapphire/softersin/laura/pat)....

In my opinion, I think defiance means well, and deserves credit for stepping up and running the league when Narc had to take a hiatus due to RL issues. However, when he made the decision to not allow Narc to come back, and furthermore to fire the rest of the admins and unban players, and the way that he went about making those decisions, he took a huge risk. Those were pretty bold moves by a new admin who didn't have a lot of credibility with some of the older players and that's resulted in a fair share of backlash. But lets be real, he could have gone about all of that a lot better and spared himself a lot of misery. "Hiatus." Thats a funny word, and shows whom you have been talking to and continue to believe. Narc was supposed to be gone 1 month, not 10. After that, the hiatus was over and he was done. Narc didn't even come back on his own, only at the request of Tox. I told Narc he could come back and we could run it together. He refused because he wanted total control of everything, including letting Tox do whatever the fuck he wants. He went behind my back without even talking to me, to get bullet to delete me. After that, of course I am going to get rid of Tox. Do you want me to not fire an admin who tried to have me deleted? Yeah, I am sure you would do the same thing. Pat stopped watching demos, his job was to watch demos, as far as I am concerned he quit, and was asked to come back whenever he was ready, so don't give me that. No other admin was "fired" besides Tox.

Reacting in the way that defiance has to the backlash, in my opinion, has been much more damaging than the decisions themselves. The backlash has been day in and day out for almost 3 weeks now. You think that is not going to start to upset someone? There has literally been no break from the constant bullshit. I considered alot of these people my friends, and was truly hurt by their actions.

In some of the posts that he has made, in this thread and others, I've gotten the impression that defiance takes his responsibility of being a tpg admin a little too seriously, that he genuinely feels that he is in a position of power, and that he has reacted in a way that is often out of anger and paranoia over losing that perceived power. Which is really stupid. If you take every bit of criticism that you get from the community personally, and make decisions based on that criticism, you're going to have a really bad time. When you react the way that he has at times publicly, it just comes of as an angry server admin getting pissed at everyone in your pub for quick-switching. Except, since we have talked maybe 3-4 times in our lives, you would know nothing about me or what I feel or perceive. I didn't even want this want Narc first left, but the only alternatives were letting Tox or Pat do it, and that sure as hell wasn't going to happen. If I care about "being in power" why the hell am i voluntarily quitting? It is not in my personality to be a leader or in charge of anything. I did it out of a feeling of responsibility of keeping dod going.

To me personally, it's been frustrating at times because I've tried to be as helpful to tpg/defiance as I can be, but I've heard nothing but drama and shit talking about me/1911 through the grapevine, but he's never had the balls to say anything to me when I've actually talked to him. I'm not sure how much of what I've heard is true, but it's pretty moronic and weak regardless.You've tried to be helpful to me? How so? You didn't come to me either. We've literally never talked, and all i heard through that same grapevine was that you hate me, want to kill TPG, want to start your own league so that you can let the people you like run it. How do you expect me to react to that? Don't act like I didn't come to you on Steam to try to get it all sorted out. But instead, you just played dumb in our conversation and treated me like an idiot.

I am not going to let you control the narrative, so either drop the subject/lock the post like it was, or I will keep telling my side of the story, because clearly, you've only heard one, or only care to hear one.

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:54 pm

milo wrote:
knockout wrote:
milo wrote:I really don't see the issue here...
you're clearly not mad enough. get pissed off, faggot.
I can't. KiD CuDi's album leaked and I've been listening to it all day

"leaked"

hahahahahahhahhahahaaha

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:09 pm

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:12 pm

vpaz wrote: Why not just tell the truth about why you are angry. #1 - Ryan got banned: You won't even admit that he was cheating even though he clearly was, some admin you are. #2 - Biggie crashed a server or whatever, he served a decent amount of time, he didn't cheat and get banned. This was another huge problem for you and the only reason you are against it is because you knew Taylor would leave to make a team with Biggie. So now you lost Ryan & Taylor, of course you would be against that.If i remember correctly Narc did remove bans off of players when he took over as head admin, gave them a fresh start. I don't see what the big deal is about Defiance doing the same thing.
Some people like to play other maps instead of the same old shit, there is nothing wrong with Aleutian.
You have done nothing as an admin, you are biased and got narc to do whatever you wanted him to, if narc was going to do anything that you didn't like, you got your way, he was a puppet, simple as that. You can neg me all ya want Tox.

Wow TPG|nugz in on the case. Were you posting and reading the tickets on ryanemos demo? Or are you just swallowing whatever jizz defiance sends down your throat?

#1 I was mad that ryan got banned? or that defiance insinuated that myself and narc "protected" him. Which was absolutely false and why I demonstrated "anger" in the ticket. If you were able to read the tickets you would clearly be able to read me post "ryan could easily be cheating im not denying that.. but hes also very good if not the best at hiding it."

"Biggie crashed a server or whatever, he served a decent amount of time, he didn't cheat and get banned."

Handle: biggie
Team: druGskiLL
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:2131097, STEAM_0:1:10468563, STEAM_0:1:4748898
Start Date: May 13 2012
End Date: May 13 2032
Rule Violation: 7.2
Reason: Crashing Servers

Handle: biggie
Team: FLAWLESS
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:2131097, STEAM_0:1:4748898
Start Date: Jul 17 2010
End Date: Jul 14 2011
Rule Violation: 7
Reason: Playing while under suspension.

Handle: biggiE-
Team: Team Fusion
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:10468563
Start Date: Jul 14 2008
End Date: Jul 14 2011
Rule Violation: 7
Reason: re entering league on a prior ban

Handle: biggiE-
Team: nicelifekid
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:15575076
Start Date: Jul 06 2008
End Date: Jul 06 2009
Rule Violation: 7
Reason: Cheating outside of a TPG Match

He clearly was given many chances ^^ and its not even like I was against unbanning biggie.. I felt he should have atleast served a year and should have been a group decision NOT just his decision..

"you knew Taylor would leave to make a team with Biggie. So now you lost Ryan & Taylor, of course you would be against that.

We knew taylor would leave and play with biggie all I asked him was to give us ample notice to make other moves. We must be so mad over him leaving that we still play TPG EU Together....

If i remember correctly Narc did remove bans off of players when he took over as head admin, gave them a fresh start. I don't see what the big deal is about Defiance doing the same thing.

Some people like to play other maps instead of the same old shit, there is nothing wrong with Aleutian.

You have done nothing as an admin, you are biased and got narc to do whatever you wanted him to, if narc was going to do anything that you didn't like, you got your way, he was a puppet, simple as that.

- Narc did remove bans and external biggie dustyoung and caliban were all rebanned since... Aka a bad move?
- Aleutian has never worked if you wanted to play new maps why didnt you sign up for TPG2?
-I have done nothing as an admin..hmm Im sorry I forgot you were part of TPG staff... All i know you as some banned idiot from 1911 who does nothing but bitch and moan and complain about playing in invite. You seem to think you know a lot about TPG being no where near part of it.... AKA defiance's jizz.
- I never told narc what to do.. He was a stubborn guy. He talked to fellow admins that was the difference. And any admin besides BAM defiance knows that..

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:42 pm

defiance wrote:yeah i am sure you had a lot to do with players coming back to dod. were you the one who convinced my entire crew of people to come back to dod? hell no. we came back cause we like dod, just like everyone else. get off your high fucking horse. i was the one going to pub clan forums actively asking them to join tpg, not you. you are literally worthless as an admin unless all it involves is giving and opinion, and look what happens when you dont get your own way.

Yes Because I stated I convinced everyone to come back and play. Im pointing out that you took over when dod was at its highest point in years. Something that shouldn't be overlooked is how narc and myself went from 2 divisions to 4. We clearly must have done something right. (what a good puppet narc is.) And yes, get all those pub clans for TPG they're what bring us to 1911 and our upcoming LAN event.

i gave a long list of reasons on why i unbanned biggie and all you circle back to is "wah you're biases against thunder ". Thunder is not the center of the Dod universe. When Ryan was banned you immediately went crying to narc to get him to cone back. The ac team agreed he was cheating deal with it.

I read the convo with taylor, you can list all other various reasons which are surely good ones. But the fact remains you still have a hard on for 5.5 / thunder... And always did there is no denying it so stop already. And I went to narc because you said we protected ryan. Not because you were banning him as i clearly said he could have been cheating..

Narc listened to other Admins? You picked the map rotatio every season and no one elsea opinion mattered. Well guess what I'm not natc. Cass bullet tin calli all do more for tpg in a week than you do in a year. The past 2 seasons their input matters no t yours. You expect to get the final say on every thing while doing no work.

All admins submitted a map rotation to narc in a spreadsheet so I don't see how I "picked the maps".. All I made sure we didn't play idiotic pub maps like muhle aleautian northbound avalanche etc.. Its 2013 we know what maps work and what maps don't... If you're looking for variety when you play dod then stop playing a fucking 13 year old game. And yeah I didn't do much once narc left because you just went ahead and made all decisions without consulting with anyone so I just floated along the past season. And I at no point said I want or needed final say.. All I said is people should be able to voice their opinions and we should make "group decisions."

bottom line is i made what i think is the right call in regards to t2w and biggie and ive earned the right to make thake that call just like the admins did 2 years ago when people were unbanned. i dont need a group of idiots acting like some kind oof dod mafia threatening to start a new league just so they can be back in charge and ban the people they dont like while protecting their friends.

Im not sure how many times I have to say it.. I felt that they should have all served their suspensions atleast a year before we came to a group decision on t2w and biggie.. You were going and unbanning people narc banned when I was under the impression you were just "filling" in for him.. You Made your decision like halfway into last season which I found odd. Why wouldn't I go to narc when you're sitting there saying hes protecting players and unbanning people HE life banned.... And as far as a group of dod idiots starting a new league.. on what grounds could we ban anyone from joining a new league? without any prior bans suspensions etc.. The state of paranoia you are in is insane.. You truly need to just step down and go back to pubbing avalanche.. maybe smoke a few cigarettes and chill out a bit

im done with 1911 from here on out. i can be reached on steam if someone wants to talk about this garbage.

i cant because you deleted me

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:56 pm

dorraj · Post by **dorraj** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:07 pm

ward · Post by **ward** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:10 pm

I don't think there could possibly be any more derp in this thread. Buncha idiots arguing like children. As for biggie, he's lucky he didn't get charged with a felony. There's a law against DoSing servers bro. And it's a felony. But I still love you, even if you're retarded.

Jakimo · Post by **Jakimo** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:20 pm

milo wrote:I would like to say I'm disappointed with the standard of gifs recently. [insert you think this is a motherfucking game?.gif] A gif is a work of art, not some awful gif you take from tumblr. I, for one, take pride in the gif I post and you should too. With that being said, can a brother get an amen or even some good effing gifs?

i got u bro, been feeling the same way from day 1

see u guys in IM, its technically like pre season anyways, the teams were bound to bounce around a bit... who caresss

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:28 pm

milo wrote:I would like to say I'm disappointed with the standard of gifs recently. [insert you think this is a motherfucking game?.gif] A gif is a work of art, not some awful gif you take from tumblr. I, for one, take pride in the gif I post and you should too. With that being said, can a brother get an amen or even some good effing gifs?

... or you could just stop posting gifs altogether because they're fucking inane.

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:33 pm

ANDY ARE YOU REALLY CALLING ME OUT ON 1911??? SAY GOOD BYE TO ME LINKING YOU GOOD BHANGRA SONGS LIKE THIS

6x-8ERsN2VA

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:41 pm

milo wrote:ANDY ARE YOU REALLY CALLING ME OUT ON 1911??? SAY GOOD BYE TO ME LINKING YOU GOOD BHANGRA SONGS LIKE THIS

6x-8ERsN2VA

I didn't mean you specifically, but rather everyone who thinks 90% of that shit is remotely funny. Some people are actually witty using them, but most people are just retarded and spamming pictures. If that includes you, then... step it up, son-DEEEEEEER.

Btw, you still haven't uploaded that shit yet.

Main
NoGo > illuminati

FUCK YOU, MILOOOOOOOOOO?!?!?!

EDIT: I'm glad the last three minutes of this youtube video is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

stile · Post by **stile** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:32 pm

maybe if you stopped reposting old shit milo..

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:37 pm

defiance wrote:Hiatus." Thats a funny word, and shows whom you have been talking to and continue to believe. Narc was supposed to be gone 1 month, not 10. After that, the hiatus was over and he was done. Narc didn't even come back on his own, only at the request of Tox. I told Narc he could come back and we could run it together. He refused because he wanted total control of everything, including letting Tox do whatever the fuck he wants. He went behind my back without even talking to me, to get bullet to delete me. After that, of course I am going to get rid of Tox. Do you want me to not fire an admin who tried to have me deleted? Yeah, I am sure you would do the same thing. Pat stopped watching demos, his job was to watch demos, as far as I am concerned he quit, and was asked to come back whenever he was ready, so don't give me that. No other admin was "fired" besides Tox.

Like I said, my advice to you would be to not take this stuff so seriously. This is a bunch of middle school drama and I don't care about any of this. All I was saying was that it was easy to predict that there would be people pissed at you from what happened, and so you probably should have expected that. This is weird...

defiance wrote:The backlash has been day in and day out for almost 3 weeks now. You think that is not going to start to upset someone? There has literally been no break from the constant bullshit. I considered alot of these people my friends, and was truly hurt by their actions.

Once again, I don't think such an emotional response is warranted. I'm sorry that you've been having a hard time, but from my perspective that could have been predicted and expected from what went down. It shouldn't be a surprise to you that you pissed people off and that now they are giving you a hard time, that's all I was saying. My advice would once again be to relax and not take this stuff so seriously. You made some decisions that really pissed people off and now you have to deal with that. It sucks but that's how it works most of the time.

defiance wrote:Except, since we have talked maybe 3-4 times in our lives, you would know nothing about me or what I feel or perceive. I didn't even want this want Narc first left, but the only alternatives were letting Tox or Pat do it, and that sure as hell wasn't going to happen. If I care about "being in power" why the hell am i voluntarily quitting? It is not in my personality to be a leader or in charge of anything. I did it out of a feeling of responsibility of keeping dod going.

All I know of your "feelings and perceptions" is what you've told me personally and what you've posted here publicly. And all I've been able to glean from that is that you're really worked up about this stuff, and I don't feel like that is necessary. That's all I'm really trying to say.

defiance wrote:You've tried to be helpful to me? How so? You didn't come to me either. We've literally never talked, and all i heard through that same grapevine was that you hate me, want to kill TPG, want to start your own league so that you can let the people you like run it. How do you expect me to react to that? Don't act like I didn't come to you on Steam to try to get it all sorted out. But instead, you just played dumb in our conversation and treated me like an idiot.

Are you for real? Every time I've talked to you it's always been really positive. I mean, I've hosted the TPG demo ftp for you and helped you fix it when people have broken it, for free, with no issues. I didn't know we had any beef at all and I thought that conversation we had was really positive. I have no interest in "killing tpg" and have no desire to "run my own league" and I think if you re-read our last conversation you'd hopefully see that I was just trying to give you some advice and help out in any way that I could, still am...

defiance wrote:I am not going to let you control the narrative, so either drop the subject/lock the post like it was, or I will keep telling my side of the story, because clearly, you've only heard one, or only care to hear one. Edit: And yea, I do care what you think, because A) You run this site and have a lot of influence, and B) Are one of the few people capable of running a league.

Why are you so paranoid? Control the narrative? Are we trapped in the movie Mean Girls or something?
This is all very strange to me and I don't quite understand where you are coming from. I locked the thread because it was getting out of hand because of your posts and I wanted to have the chance to post without it spiraling further out of control. It will be unlocked so the madness can continue, but I don't understand why you are behaving the way you are, it's very puzzling to me and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Like I said in our last conversation, you're always welcome to hit me up via steam if you've got any questions or concerns. Whether or not you believe what I tell you or think that "I'm just playing dumb" is entirely up to you. But all of this is totally unnecessary and just weird...

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:01 pm

Airnick15 wrote:
stile wrote:I wouldn't say I'm on the best terms with Defiance, but I'm thankful to anyone who takes the time out of their day to run the league. It's shitty that all a lot of the people do is just sit around and bitch and moan about every little thing.

You know who you are.
+44

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:22 pm

milo wrote:I would like to say I'm disappointed with the standard of gifs recently. [insert you think this is a motherfucking game?.gif] A gif is a work of art, not some awful gif you take from tumblr. I, for one, take pride in the gif I post and you should too. With that being said, can a brother get an amen or even some good effing gifs?

i think milo has a very valid point. all of the talk about admins, bans, biggie, nerds, virgins, chubs........i think its gotten in the way of the real issues at stake here in our community and 1911. i believe everyone needs to step back and reevaluate their attempts at humor. ive been talking with fellow members on my friends list and have heard through the grapevine that there has been a lack of satisfaction regarding the declining quality of posts on 1911, most of which has been fueled by poor gif usage. i applaud milo (and andy) for publicly coming forward to bring up these issues.

for everyone's sake, think before you gif.

lerfooled · Post by **lerfooled** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:55 pm

biggie · Post by **biggie** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:12 am

I never post or read nineteeneleven this is my first time logging in for a long time. First of all I admit to wrong doing crashing that scrim a while ago and haven't done so since. And it was a key bind that crashed the server not a ddos which is completely different. In response to Tox and my previous bans, my very first TPG ban was for apparently "cheating" in a cal match which I did not, and I think at the time if you get cal banned tpg would ban you as well. I even had rampage who was the cal admin at the time admit to Dustin that he didn't even watch the demo and just banned me out right. The other re-ban was from element aliasing as me in a TPG match and without the admins checking steam ids or IP addresses, I got my ban extended... I only have one steam id anyway. I only play for fun and there's seemingly alot of butt hurt coming from tox

greetz · Post by **greetz** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:12 am

I still laugh at that team fusion ban cause it was literally just element using biggie's handle and bigs got banned for it. hahaha

aLpha.cn-[tang] · Post by **aLpha.cn-[tang]** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:32 am

greetz wrote:I still laugh at that team fusion ban cause it was literally just element using biggie's handle and bigs got banned for it. hahaha

Check your fucking inbox... holy shit.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:06 am

I think if we try hard enough, we can all get a little more pissed off. Let's fucking do this.

milo · Post by **milo** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:45 am

Swiss wrote:
milo wrote:I would like to say I'm disappointed with the standard of gifs recently. [insert you think this is a motherfucking game?.gif] A gif is a work of art, not some awful gif you take from tumblr. I, for one, take pride in the gif I post and you should too. With that being said, can a brother get an amen or even some good effing gifs?
i think milo has a very valid point. all of the talk about admins, bans, biggie, nerds, virgins, chubs........i think its gotten in the way of the real issues at stake here in our community and 1911. i believe everyone needs to step back and reevaluate their attempts at humor. ive been talking with fellow members on my friends list and have heard through the grapevine that there has been a lack of satisfaction regarding the declining quality of posts on 1911, most of which has been fueled by poor gif usage. i applaud milo (and andy) for publicly coming forward to bring up these issues.

for everyone's sake, think before you gif.

Amen brother, amen.

Also, how does one pronounce "gif". I've always went with pronouning the letter sound g, while other has gone in pronouncing with the letter sound j. #help

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:48 am

milo wrote:#help

jJb1d7KS-es

ryanemo · Post by **ryanemo** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:31 am

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taylor · Post by **taylor** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:54 am

ryanemo wrote:rack city bitch rack rack city bitch

milo · Post by **milo** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:55 am

taylu_b wrote:
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mogers · Post by **mogers** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:03 am

knockout wrote:I think if we try hard enough, we can all get a little more pissed off. Let's fucking do this.

FUCK U SCOTT, U DNT NO N E THING

rolyat · Post by **rolyat** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:32 am

i'm surprised someone thinks biggie is smart enough to know how to DoS a server.. what he did wasn't illegal in any way (under tpgs rules at the time of the event even).. he is a fuckin' idiot for doing what he did though.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:41 am

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:01 am

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:09 am

milo wrote:
Swiss wrote:Also, how does one pronounce "gif". I've always went with pronouning the letter sound g, while other has gone in pronouncing with the letter sound j. #help

I've always pronounced it with a "g" because otherwise I would always think about peanut butter.

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:57 am

biggie wrote:I never post or read nineteeneleven this is my first time logging in for a long time. First of all I admit to wrong doing crashing that scrim a while ago and haven't done so since. And it was a key bind that crashed the server not a ddos which is completely different. In response to Tox and my previous bans, my very first TPG ban was for apparently "cheating" in a cal match which I did not, and I think at the time if you get cal banned tpg would ban you as well. I even had rampage who was the cal admin at the time admit to Dustin that he didn't even watch the demo and just banned me out right. The other re-ban was from element aliasing as me in a TPG match and without the admins checking steam ids or IP addresses, I got my ban extended... I only have one steam id anyway. I only play for fun and there's seemingly alot of butt hurt coming from tox

Well then I didn't know that you were sooooo innocent all this time.

And if you think this is all about us losing taylor you're mistaken.. If taylors not in troll mode already he will let you know that we expected him to leave once ryan was banned. Most of this is directed at defiance not you biggie. As I previously stated I wasn't against the unbanning I just believed it should have been handled differently.

CraftyDus · Post by **CraftyDus** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:58 am

Swiss wrote:
milo wrote:
Swiss wrote:Also, how does one pronounce "gif". I've always went with pronouning the letter sound g, while other has gone in pronouncing with the letter sound j. #help
I've always pronounced it with a "g" because otherwise I would always think about peanut butter.

AlopeX · Post by **AlopeX** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:32 am

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ward · Post by **ward** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:22 pm

rolyat wrote:i'm surprised someone thinks biggie is smart enough to know how to DoS a server.. what he did wasn't illegal in any way (under tpgs rules at the time of the event even).. he is a fuckin' idiot for doing what he did though.

Crashing a server is denial of service, and yes it is illegal (maybe not specifically defined in the TPG rules, but definitely covered by big boy federal laws)

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:01 pm

ward wrote:
rolyat wrote:i'm surprised someone thinks biggie is smart enough to know how to DoS a server.. what he did wasn't illegal in any way (under tpgs rules at the time of the event even).. he is a fuckin' idiot for doing what he did though.
Crashing a server is denial of service, and yes it is illegal (maybe not specifically defined in the TPG rules, but definitely covered by big boy federal laws)

I highly doubt anybody would charge biggie with crashing a ventrilo server full of nerds who play a 10 year old game. It would probably be more of a laugh than anything.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:15 pm

nunz wrote:
ward wrote:
rolyat wrote:i'm surprised someone thinks biggie is smart enough to know how to DoS a server.. what he did wasn't illegal in any way (under tpgs rules at the time of the event even).. he is a fuckin' idiot for doing what he did though.
Crashing a server is denial of service, and yes it is illegal (maybe not specifically defined in the TPG rules, but definitely covered by big boy federal laws)
I highly doubt anybody would charge biggie with crashing a ventrilo server full of nerds who play a 10 year old game. It would probably be more of a laugh than anything.

if they met biggie, they may reconsider.

SKiNnTo · Post by **SKiNnTo** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:34 pm

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stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:43 pm

Swiss wrote:
milo wrote:
Swiss wrote:Also, how does one pronounce "gif". I've always went with pronouning the letter sound g, while other has gone in pronouncing with the letter sound j. #help
I've always pronounced it with a "g" because otherwise I would always think about peanut butter.

Is that such a bad thing?

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:45 pm

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rolyat · Post by **rolyat** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:04 pm

ward wrote:
rolyat wrote:i'm surprised someone thinks biggie is smart enough to know how to DoS a server.. what he did wasn't illegal in any way (under tpgs rules at the time of the event even).. he is a fuckin' idiot for doing what he did though.
Crashing a server is denial of service, and yes it is illegal (maybe not specifically defined in the TPG rules, but definitely covered by big boy federal laws)

yea crashing a server is denial of service.. but what biggie did is just a glitch in the half life engine.. i don't think he actually sent packets to the server provider lol

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:13 pm

stealthlol wrote:
Swiss wrote:
milo wrote:
I've always pronounced it with a "g" because otherwise I would always think about peanut butter.
Is that such a bad thing?

makes me hungry and i dont want to end up as big as chuck....so yeah

AlopeX · Post by **AlopeX** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:48 pm

Swiss wrote:
stealthlol wrote:
Swiss wrote: I've always pronounced it with a "g" because otherwise I would always think about peanut butter.
Is that such a bad thing?
makes me hungry and i dont want to end up as big as chuck....so yeah

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:48 pm

lerfooled · Post by **lerfooled** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:54 pm

i haven't actually played in more than a few matches the past couple seasons but i think that defiance is doing a good job. he may not make decisions that take into account the opinions of the other admins in tpg but i don't blame him. dod is very much dominated by cliques and which one you belong to and the perceived power that goes along with being part of a certain clique. he does things his own way and doesn't apologize for it... i think that is a good quality in an admin. has he made some mistakes? sure, we all do. has he put my maps in the rotation? yes and that is why i will blindly stand by him!!! at the end of the day it's just a game. if you are unhappy about some of the decisions then kindly suggest to defiance that he be more democratic in making decisions for the league. i'm just glad that we have someone fairly mature running the league and we don't have to deal with some of the other issues we've had to deal with the previous head admin, who did a great job as well! anyway, if this is such a rift that can not be healed i suggest another league on a wednesday or thursday.

K#jag · Post by **K#jag** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:23 pm

Mogers is this your therapy group? why u allways come here crying about something?