Another One Down

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:33 pm

Handle: FloYd
Team: European Unknown Soldiers
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:1358854
Start Date: Apr 15 2013
End Date: Apr 15 2014
Rule Violation: 7.4
Reason: Cheating in a TPG Match

stin · Post by **stin** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:40 pm

rippeR · Post by **rippeR** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:42 pm

demo/hltv/video please :-\

nik · Post by **nik** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:45 pm

back in your ED admin days you couldn't even ban blatant noobs ripper.

What will you do with these demo's? This guy is good, and if he cheated it probably won't be blatant.
Out of your league. Will be a pain to watch anyway.

Bibop_^ · Post by **Bibop_^** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:46 pm

We want evidence, and more information plz.

milo · Post by **milo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:47 pm

nhoj wrote:Handle: FloYd
Team: European Unknown Soldiers
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:1358854
Start Date: Apr 15 2013
End Date: Apr 15 2014
Rule Violation: 7.4
Reason: Cheating in a TPG Match

motive · Post by **motive** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:50 pm

Idiot has been blatantly cheating in every scrim lately, not surprised to find out he's too stupid to toggle off in matches. pzl8

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:50 pm

Bibop, the admins are not required to give evidence, nor will they I think. The AC admins will have reviewed the demo and they have decided he is cheating, end of discussion.

The below is something that I made on my own, and has no affiliation with TPG (I am not an AC admin), just my own thoughts.

My opinion: He plays very strange in general. Sometimes he will rush blindly when he cannot possibly know it is clear. If you turn around, he will rush you. Other times, you think, OK I will sit and wait for him and make no sound. Then he will walk towards you, stop randomly and prime a nade, and you just know the nade will hit you in the face if you stay still.

Some of the clips can be put down to sound, or teamspeak, or luck. But there is too much tracing through walls, too many weird decisions, and too much footage from ONE SINGLE MATCH. You could watch somebody like jaunty and get hardly any dodgy footage, but i managed to find 8 mins with this guy. There are many times when he looks directly at people through walls though the person is miles away, so I think most likely he's using an ESP. Perhaps toggling, because sometimes he ignores some people. Other sprees, he has 100% knowledge of everybody's positions, and he perfectly prepares his aim on them.

Anyway, video:

http://stin.pp.fi/an1/

accompanying text with some explanation (also found in rar):

Spoiler: show

mike · Post by **mike** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:00 pm

nhoj wrote:Handle: FloYd
Team: European Unknown Soldiers
Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:1358854
Start Date: Apr 15 2013
End Date: Apr 15 2014
Rule Violation: 7.4
Reason: Cheating in a TPG Match

nik · Post by **nik** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:05 pm

An1maL wrote:Bibop, the admins are not required to give evidence, nor will they I think. The AC admins will have reviewed the demo and they have decided he is cheating, end of discussion.

The below is something that I made on my own, and has no affiliation with TPG (I am not an AC admin), just my own thoughts.

My opinion: He plays very strange in general. Sometimes he will rush blindly when he cannot possibly know it is clear. If you turn around, he will rush you. Other times, you think, OK I will sit and wait for him and make no sound. Then he will walk towards you, stop randomly and prime a nade, and you just know the nade will hit you in the face if you stay still.

Some of the clips can be put down to sound, or teamspeak, or luck. But there is too much tracing through walls, too many weird decisions, and too much footage from ONE SINGLE MATCH. You could watch somebody like jaunty and get hardly any dodgy footage, but i managed to find 8 mins with this guy. There are many times when he looks directly at people through walls though the person is miles away, so I think most likely he's using an ESP. Perhaps toggling, because sometimes he ignores some people. Other sprees, he has 100% knowledge of everybody's positions, and he perfectly prepares his aim on them.

Anyway, video:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fw4f6bbgh79c ... rar?v=0mcn

edit: oh dear, that link is dead. somebody who has it please host it somewhere

accompanying text with some explanation (also found in rar):

Spoiler: show
0:03 - perfectly follows the heavy to the window

0:09 - watches heavy through wall

0:12 - very strange - aims perfectly at two models that are way across the map. it happens fast, but fairly obvious.
very unlikely to be a coiincidence.
- preaims ding. waits for heavy to come out. preaims ding again.

0:40 - some nice preaiming on evil

0:59 - nicely aimed on flowers

1:07 - preaiming to ticket, then falls for a cheater peak (may have seen model?)

1:20 - fairly absurd & impossible shot on ding who made no noise.

1:30 - aims at stin through wall. knows it is safe to pop out and hit him

1:40 - more blatant tracing, then aims perfectly at evil in the window (again)

2:05 - shooting ding through door, may have been luck

2:18 - looks perfectly at wallu, then someone else to the right.

2:25 - preaims somebody he thinks is in lower apartments, turns out to be someone miles away. oops

2:40 - watching ding through the wall, relucatant to push forward as he knows alex is there.

2:57 - looks directly at stin through wall, primes a nade. knows stin is there, decides to shoot at spawn instead.
looks towards stin again, who has made no noise. keeps shooting at spawn, then insanely fast reaction shot to stin

3:20 - fairly blatant tracing of ding

3:30 - more blatant tracing and nading

3:45 - some pretty weird recoil control, and tracing. very quickly flicks to lower apartments.
oops - that guy is across the other side of the map.

3:55 - preaims an1mal nicely, then seems fairly confident that its safe to push hole. perfect nade.
more bullshit on ding at long.

4:30 - traces evil all the way through apartments to the window...oops! he's through the wall.
traces him through the next wall.

4:50 - perfect trace on an1mal

4:55 - more tracing on ding, perfectly expects wallu's position.

5:15 - tracing shenanigans, falls back all the way to lower apartments, insane preaim on wallu.

5:40 - anticipates an1 at long, primes a nade. randomly rushes carelessly through about
3 corners at the perfect moment.

6:10 - watches evil walk up the stairs then preaims him. neglects to jump out of double windows as he's seen ding crouching there.
proceeds to do the most blatant preaims on wallu and an1, neither of whom made much sound

6:50 - spends a while shooting the wrong guy through door (thats somebody at crossroads, model to the right is the guy close to door)

7:15 - a lot of tracing on wallu. could be down to sound.

7:32 - great nade, 3 man take down, perfectly preaim to ding.

7:55 - looks right at ding through wall at underpass. is perfectly ready when ding walks out.

8:10 - more nading and tracing through wall

8:15 - "et cest le gg" - indeed!

Too much to read. But initial text sounds familiar. I was sure he cheated in the group stage of alive vs eus 2 seasons ago. Didn't dispute because alive won. In the rematch he wasnt that weird, anyway not more dodgy than ryanemo who was playing for alive. Been in doubt on whether he really cheated or not since.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:07 pm

edited my post with new link. dropbox fail. he's been cheating in every mix and match for months, I'm sure. this is the only demo i've actually gone through with a hack.

badnewspanda · Post by **badnewspanda** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:09 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:We want evidence, and more information plz.

Look at dis nigga thinkin dis be a court of law or some shit yo

milo · Post by **milo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:14 pm

An1maL wrote:edited my post with new link. dropbox fail. he's been cheating in every mix and match for months, I'm sure. this is the only demo i've actually gone through with a hack.

Nice one lad. How dare he cheat against my Glaswegian m8, ding. What a fooking bellend and how shite must be you be to cheat at this game? Surely he's taking the mickey like...

senCe · Post by **senCe** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:15 pm

l0ker · Post by **l0ker** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:22 pm

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:25 pm

rippeR · Post by **rippeR** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:31 pm

@nik: I already have explained the case which you're refering at a thousand times and I won't do that again. I don't know why you keep bitching me. Maybe because you are dumb or forgetful or both.. dunno.
Have a nice week.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:34 pm

milo wrote:
An1maL wrote:edited my post with new link. dropbox fail. he's been cheating in every mix and match for months, I'm sure. this is the only demo i've actually gone through with a hack.
Nice one lad. How dare he cheat against my Glaswegian m8, ding. What a fooking bellend and how shite must be you be to cheat at this game? Surely he's taking the mickey like...

STAHP IT YOU WANNABE.

Bibop_^ · Post by **Bibop_^** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:34 pm

Just a big conspiracy with admin...
Just i want know who have take the final decision.
Just go open esl and put aqueatas !

Demo :

http://media.eus-dod.eu/Demos/Floyid/tpg31week2-2.dem
http://media.eus-dod.eu/Demos/Floyid/tpg31week2.dem

mike · Post by **mike** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:38 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:Just a big conspiracy with admin...
Just i want know who have take the final decision.
Just go open esl and put aqueatas !

Demo :

http://media.eus-dod.eu/Demos/Floyid/tpg31week2-2.dem
http://media.eus-dod.eu/Demos/Floyid/tpg31week2.dem

Opening an AC client made by ESL won't prove he's innocent.. The cheats he was probably using can bypass anti cheat clients such as CleanDoD and whatever ESL uses. The only sure fire way to know if someone is cheating is to watch the demo which i'm sure TPG AC has done and reviewed the demo multiple times to make sure everyone was on the same page. Hell you can even bypass ESEA's client if you're crafty enough.. Bypassing AC clients is not as hard as you think it to be.

DinG · Post by **DinG** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:38 pm

You do realise it is meant to be his main gun in the screenshot? Why is he showing spade and knife?

milo · Post by **milo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:47 pm

k4b00m wrote:
milo wrote:
An1maL wrote:edited my post with new link. dropbox fail. he's been cheating in every mix and match for months, I'm sure. this is the only demo i've actually gone through with a hack.
Nice one lad. How dare he cheat against my Glaswegian m8, ding. What a fooking bellend and how shite must be you be to cheat at this game? Surely he's taking the mickey like...

STAHP IT YOU WANNABE.

Fyi, you can bypass any client. Dustin Young blatantly cheated in ESEA for a month before he was caught. It wasn't their client that caught him lolz.

Bibop_^ · Post by **Bibop_^** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:52 pm

DinG wrote:You do realise it is meant to be his main gun in the screenshot? Why is he showing spade and knife?

Just lol lol lol !!! You are crazy. To say this, shut up it's better. Too ridiculous.
If we had lost yesterday, No one would have said anything.
Floyid does'nt cheat. A big mistake...

EuS stop TPG. You can remove the team.

BIG BIG CONSPIRACY

l0ker · Post by **l0ker** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:00 pm

can i have sex with you an1mal ?

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:04 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:
DinG wrote:You do realise it is meant to be his main gun in the screenshot? Why is he showing spade and knife?
Just lol lol lol !!! You are crazy. To say this, shut up it's better. Too ridiculous.
If we had lost yesterday, No one would have said anything.
Floyid does'nt cheat. A big mistake...

EuS stop TPG. You can remove the team.

BIG BIG CONSPIRACY

Your boyfriend got banned so IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY.....or ALIENS!

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:10 pm

AlopeX · Post by **AlopeX** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:11 pm

DinG wrote:You do realise it is meant to be his main gun in the screenshot? Why is he showing spade and knife?

those are my main guns in matches.

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:18 pm

k4b00m wrote:

+rep. I'm on my phone so its a pain in the ass to post gifs

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:22 pm

Bibop_^ wrote: EuS stop TPG. You can remove the team.

boo-fucking-hoo, we will miss you so much. this ban just makes it so much sweeter beating you in the past with floyd. bye now!

Bibop_^ wrote: BIG BIG CONSPIRACY

from who? the decision was made by impartial american AC admins.

Bibop_^ wrote: If we had lost yesterday, No one would have said anything.

erm, we WON against you on solitude, and we disputed floyd then too, so this is stupid.

Bibop_^ wrote: Floyid does'nt cheat. A big mistake...

did you watch the amount of tracing in that video? from one match? he's been even more blatant in every scrim for the last 6 months. I think if you played against an opponent who had that much pre-aim, you would be pretty fucking angry too.

p.s have fun playing enemydown

Relaxennnnnnn · Post by **Relaxennnnnnn** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:33 pm

well I'm not convinced can't see shit...would have been better with the models not only these green dots u cant see anything on this low quality hltv video :/

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:39 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:Floyid does'nt cheat. A big mistake...

EuS stop TPG. You can remove the team.

BIG BIG CONSPIRACY

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:44 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:Just lol lol lol !!! You are crazy. To say this, shut up it's better. Too ridiculous.
If we had lost yesterday, No one would have said anything.
Floyid does'nt cheat. A big mistake...

EuS stop TPG. You can remove the team.

BIG BIG CONSPIRACY

Fucking frenchies. Heard sooooooooooooooo many bad stories about you guys, and now I know that I can believe some of them.

CharlieGiteau · Post by **CharlieGiteau** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:45 pm

See, the French aren't only dirty in DoD!

nik · Post by **nik** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:54 pm

rippeR wrote:

@nik: I already have explained the case which you're refering at a thousand times and I won't do that again. I don't know why you keep bitching me. Maybe because you are dumb or forgetful or both.. dunno.
Have a nice week.

Tragic. That image is as old as this out of sync mess.
http://archives.nineteeneleven.org/Movi ... mydown.wmv

Relaxennnnnnn · Post by **Relaxennnnnnn** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:14 pm

**Censored**

u don't even know where france is

senCe · Post by **senCe** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:16 pm

nik wrote:
rippeR wrote:

@nik: I already have explained the case which you're refering at a thousand times and I won't do that again. I don't know why you keep bitching me. Maybe because you are dumb or forgetful or both.. dunno.
Have a nice week.

Tragic. That image is as old as this out of sync mess.
http://archives.nineteeneleven.org/Movi ... mydown.wmv

That video is like... really?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:19 pm

This guy is probably the most blatant cheater outside of Pb to actually think he was fooling people. I mean, people have cheated harder, but that's only because they didn't expect anyone to believe they weren't cheating. And Bibop, I'm sure nobody cares that you and your cheating team is leaving TPG.

Bibop_^ · Post by **Bibop_^** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:20 pm

Just with one ban , you kill the european community...
Floyid is in EuS since 2006.
GG cali.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:22 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:Just with one ban , you kill the european community...
Floyid is in EuS since 2006.
GG cali.

....so to sum up your arguments:

crying and denial

nik · Post by **nik** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:25 pm

If I remember correctly FLoyd was not one of the original members and the first time I ever saw him you introduced him as your best rifle and he was fragging 30+ from start. What was he? Ex cs pro?

Maybe he really was a pro. Or maybe cheating all along. It is not unlikely that players have been cheating since 2006. I remember 2006-2009 as being a period without any AC in europe at all. Ripper in ED, calli accusing blatant chriseh on 1.3.org while 90% of the community was saying. Nothing going on here.. perfectly normal scenes. ALso the time where previously unknown german and french people destroy entire teams on their own.

After that there was the Stinge period where people where being caught and banned by le Stinge. But how many people can 1 person ban? And then came the "people critisizing le stinge" period. Which is probbaly still better than no stinge at all. And now there is tpg. If I'm correct AC is no longer 1 person so it should be more reliable than any AC of the past 5 years (in theory).

freQ · Post by **freQ** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:36 pm

I don´t know but i he is good guy, so i hope we see you back <3

Nik:

I hear from all on LAN! Blank1 was very bad ... so he was good after the LAN!

calli · Post by **calli** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:39 pm

Bibop_^ wrote:Just with one ban , you kill the european community...
Floyid is in EuS since 2006.
GG cali.

Bibop, I would just tell Floyd to give you his demos and watch it. There you will find your answers. Like we did. Though An1mals "cheater-vid" is good, for me those green boxes confused me a bit until I understood how to read them. You will see magic just by watching his demos without any cheat.
And it's not just me that is behind this ban. We were about 6 or 7 admins watching his demos.
First of all, it's no consipiricy. We didn't tell friends to dispute you. Neither did we ban him the first time they disputed him, cause we didnt feel that evidence was enough to ban him from the demos on your solitude war. This time, it was different.

Just cause Floyd has been in EuS since 2006 it doesnt mean he aint cheating. It says more about how long you have been looking the other way. If I were you Bibop I would scan through his demos before you start defending him.

And no, I dont think WE killed the European DoD community by banning Floyd. Probably saved it.

Tin Bad · Post by **Tin Bad** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:41 pm

An1maL wrote:
Bibop_^ wrote: BIG BIG CONSPIRACY
from who? the decision was made by impartial american AC admins.

All TPG Euro decisions/bans are made by the Euro Admins and their AC team.

joeledmunds · Post by **joeledmunds** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:37 pm

Another cheater thread, another teammate calling conspiracy and threatening to leave the league.

PERHAPS WE ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT

greetz · Post by **greetz** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:47 pm

man it blows dick we ruined our chance with esl . client would be fun.

l0ker · Post by **l0ker** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:49 pm

HAHAHA how can we ban a player with just this shitty movie ?xD

For me, this ban is just a big joke.

I have some questions unanswered :

Where is the neutral judgment?

Who make this movie ? player from is my friends.
Who make the complain ? players from is my friends.
Who play on this game ? players from is my friends.

Its not neutral, and then no value, no credibility.
You are all bad loser and realy hard gay i guess sorry.

ward · Post by **ward** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:00 pm

The judgement was made based off the demo. The avi was not considered whatsoever. Any team can dispute another that they have played against. I am drowning in badplayertears right now bro.

Relaxennnnnnn · Post by **Relaxennnnnnn** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:04 pm

Judgment in less than 12 hours after the tpg match :/ never saw that before

"We were about 6 or 7 admins watching his demos."

...this kind of ridiculous...so 7 admins have consulted the hltv, well they did that really fast then ... this seems really strange and unprofessional.

Admins should be totally neutral this begins with Admins shouldn't be playing in the same league or division.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:06 pm

l0ker wrote:HAHAHA how can we ban a player with just this shitty movie ?xD

For me, this ban is just a big joke.

I have some questions unanswered :

Where is the neutral judgment?

Who make this movie ? player from is my friends.
Who make the complain ? players from is my friends.
Who play on this game ? players from is my friends.

Its not neutral, and then no value, no credibility.
You are all bad loser and realy hard gay i guess sorry.

Bad joke or didn't read 97% of the thread? Can't possibly be that stupid.

Although there is quite a lot of stupid in this thread.

badnewspanda · Post by **badnewspanda** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:11 pm

l0ker wrote:HAHAHA how can we ban a player with just this shitty movie ?xD

For me, this ban is just a big joke.

I have some questions unanswered :

Where is the neutral judgment?

Who make this movie ? player from is my friends.
Who make the complain ? players from is my friends.
Who play on this game ? players from is my friends.

Its not neutral, and then no value, no credibility.
You are all bad loser and realy hard gay i guess sorry.

And who banned floyd from tpg? NOBODY from is my friends.

In fact, nobody from best friends were involved with this decision in anyway besides the fact that they chose to dispute, which any team can do. I see what you're trying to get at but you are going about it like a kid with down syndrome that just got his pokemon cards taken away.

Relaxennnnnnn wrote:Judgment in less than 12 hours after the tpg match :/ never saw that before

"We were about 6 or 7 admins watching his demos."

...this kind of ridiculous...so 7 admins have consulted the hltv, well they did that really fast then ... this seems really strange and unprofessional.

Admins should be totally neutral this begins with Admins shouldn't be playing in the same league or division.

How long do you think it takes to watch a demo?