Dear TPG

poizoned · Post by **poizoned** » Fri May 03, 2013 10:55 pm

thanks to the corrupted admins that banned me i am now label a cheater instead of a decent player.

Theworst · Post by **Theworst** » Fri May 03, 2013 11:17 pm

You need to hire myself, ryanemo and Jordan "big_guy" Fenton on to the ac team if you want non-corrupt admins with a lot of history in the field of "to catch a cheater"

I can say tho, since Ive been back playing the last couple weeks, I can say Aimtek hasn't cheated in any scrims or 12mans I've played against him but that's not to say he wasn't at other times. Oh well.

stile · Post by **stile** » Fri May 03, 2013 11:33 pm

ward wrote: And you are implying that the current admins are corrupted. Why else would you bring up such stupidity. I'm waiting for the evidence of actual admin corruption bro. Panel of AC admins bans aimtek for CHEATING, all his butt buddy friends cry corruption. There's a reason we have a panel and evidence is kept private. There are too many retarded idiots who would suck his dick ten ways from sunday before admitting he was cheating. You've seen the cliquies in this game, you know how it is. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not affiliated with jack shit in this game. I hate everyone equally. So if I vote you to be banned because you were cheating: sit down, shut the fuck up, and get banned idiot. See you in a year.

No one is implying current admins are corrupt. Polak is merely pointing out that the POSSIBILITY exists with the current rules. The fact that evidence is withheld is the reason people SUSPECT corruption. Releasing demos with a clear reasoning/explanation would be pretty easy with demo times/whatnot. TPG decisions aren't expected to be overturned, but they are expected to be fair.

Swiss wrote: not sure why this has to keep being explained....if every time there is a ban and afterwards the demo is then released to the entire community, its going to open up a can of worms. all that this is going to lead to is second-guessing by people not on the AC team. Then bans (and the AC team) are going to be perpetually challenged after decisions are made. not a good way to run a league.

What is wrong with that? TPG isn't going to crumble into dust if demos are released. Decisions should be challenged and looked at with scrutiny. If someone is going to be banned for a YEAR, I expect the evidence to prove beyond a doubt that the person was cheating.

Obviously if demos were released and the majority of the public didn't think the player was cheating, I'd expect TPG to review their decision. I don't even know if this happens.

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Fri May 03, 2013 11:50 pm

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Sat May 04, 2013 12:15 am

stile wrote:
Swiss wrote: not sure why this has to keep being explained....if every time there is a ban and afterwards the demo is then released to the entire community, its going to open up a can of worms. all that this is going to lead to is second-guessing by people not on the AC team. Then bans (and the AC team) are going to be perpetually challenged after decisions are made. not a good way to run a league.
What is wrong with that? TPG isn't going to crumble into dust if demos are released. Decisions should be challenged and looked at with scrutiny. If someone is going to be banned for a YEAR, I expect the evidence to prove beyond a doubt that the person was cheating.

Obviously if demos were released and the majority of the public didn't think the player was cheating, I'd expect TPG to review their decision. I don't even know if this happens.

then why select an AC team if there decisions are potentially always challenged. (maybe that selection process needs to be examined though but thats another question). there has to be some places of authority for decisions to go through and hold. otherwise, arguments back and forth are never settled. i understand the desire for accountability but releasing all the evidence for the community to decide is not a wise way to do it.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 12:32 am

Like I said, releasing the demos wouldn't force TPG to reverse their decision.

Blrsm · Post by **Blrsm** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:03 am

surprisingly, i agree with ward on this one. (kill me now), but if every action they make is rofl'd upon, and scrutinized by the entire community; things actually could go south, and people that do cheat, maybe not so blantatly would end up not getting banned because the community threw a hissy fit.
deal with it. It's an old game that is still somehow being played competitively. Everyone's always screamed corruption for rules like this, and always will. If you get banned, while not cheating, how about you talk to the admins 1 on 1 and walk them through the demo, how you knew they where there, why you knew, ect. ect. ect. Doesn't need to be made into a public matter for everyone to flame, start arguments, and really just create drama on dod.

Thanks Polak for starting the thread and pointing out a few rules that could be reworded or whatever. Next time, I'd suggest talking to the admins?

or how about a ticket if you can't get ahold of them? (It's what the "OTHER" category is for?)

Todo · Post by **Todo** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:08 am

stile wrote:Like I said, releasing the demos wouldn't force TPG to reverse their decision.

You asked for scrutiny, and that's what the AC team provides on its own. Courts don't look to the public for vindication because, in part, the public is dumb as shit. This thread has gone 40+ posts too long, and that's without any concrete complaint. Imagine what these idiots would do each and every time a suspension is handed down.

Seriously, it's not that hard to avoid being banned. If someone is caught, go ahead and feel pretty secure in thinking that they cheated.

**Edit: If I had waited a couple minutes and seen the post above mine, I probably woulda sat pretty. Appreciate the well-reasoned response. PREACH.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 7:37 am

There are court transcripts and in some cases evidence is released the the public. The USSC always include a reasoning in their decisions...

greetz · Post by **greetz** » Sat May 04, 2013 7:45 am

chuck told me this last night and my mind was blown:

If tpg releases evidence of a player on the verge of being banned for cheating, other cheaters can be like oh this is what he did, I'll just be careful not to do this anymore.

verge

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:08 am

Jb_ wrote:I think my ban is pretty fucking silly.

yea it is, pretty funny too.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:32 am

greetz wrote:chuck told me this last night and my mine was blown:

If tpg releases evidence of a player on the verge of being banned for cheating, other cheaters can be like oh this is what he did, I'll just be careful not to do this anymore.

Lol wtf.

greetz · Post by **greetz** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:42 am

stile wrote:
greetz wrote:chuck told me this last night and my mind was blown:

If tpg releases evidence of a player on the verge of being banned for cheating, other cheaters can be like oh this is what he did, I'll just be careful not to do this anymore.
Lol wtf.

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Sat May 04, 2013 9:22 am

taylor · Post by **taylor** » Sat May 04, 2013 9:27 am

moosh wrote: There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.

milo · Post by **milo** » Sat May 04, 2013 9:45 am

moosh wrote:There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.

I don't speak for the rest of my team mates but the only talking I'll do is on Sunday @ 9 eastern.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 10:11 am

moosh wrote:Been a rule for over 10 years that whatever league doesn't release evidence. Why start complaining now? The people i see complaining i'm pretty sure have never been staff to any league.

There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.

You have to be on the staff to complain?

Please call me a 15 year old idiot in front of me and my high school friends. Oh wait, you won't.

Arachnid · Post by **Arachnid** » Sat May 04, 2013 10:27 am

poizoned wrote:thanks to the corrupted admins that banned me i am now label a cheater instead of a decent player.

true.

blech · Post by **blech** » Sat May 04, 2013 12:04 pm

poizoned wrote:thanks to the corrupted admins that banned me i am now label a cheater instead of a decent player.

Honestly, I think you were labeled a cheater before you were banned.

<3

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Sat May 04, 2013 12:28 pm

inb4 cK- tells us all how he's never cheated too

purikura · Post by **purikura** » Sat May 04, 2013 12:59 pm

Even if they change the rules to make it so there's no possible way the admins can be corrupt... the admins have control of the league and if they want to be corrupt they can just change the rules or do it against the rules anyways. Who's going to stop them?

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:10 pm

Not really sure how anything I have typed is confusing.

Yeah, I'm in high school. So what?

cody1g · Post by **cody1g** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:21 pm

moosh wrote:Been a rule for over 10 years that whatever league doesn't release evidence. Why start complaining now? The people i see complaining i'm pretty sure have never been staff to any league.

There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.

15yr old idiots that have an easy win against a 2-2 team that lost to virginz and nogo. See you at lan

sevEN · Post by **sevEN** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:23 pm

Post by **BoxeR** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:34 pm

Moosh. I don't even know who you are or why you talk so much shit about my team. I just find it funny how serious all of you take Day of Defeat.

purikura · Post by **purikura** » Sat May 04, 2013 1:39 pm

cody1g wrote:
moosh wrote:Been a rule for over 10 years that whatever league doesn't release evidence. Why start complaining now? The people i see complaining i'm pretty sure have never been staff to any league.

There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.
15yr old idiots that have an easy win against a 2-2 team that lost to virginz and nogo. See you at lan

Ok see you there : )!

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 2:18 pm

He only cares enough to dispute an mm1 violation. Brah, really brah?

cody1g · Post by **cody1g** » Sat May 04, 2013 2:21 pm

moosh wrote:
cody1g wrote:
moosh wrote:Been a rule for over 10 years that whatever league doesn't release evidence. Why start complaining now? The people i see complaining i'm pretty sure have never been staff to any league.

There IS a DOD Illuminati, but it's not in TPG, it's a bunch of 15yr old idiots in main.
15yr old idiots that have an easy win against a 2-2 team that lost to virginz and nogo. See you at lan
Already setting up the dodge, i like it!

Maybe I am 15 because I have no idea what I'm dodging...

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 2:27 pm

moosh wrote:
stile wrote:He only cares enough to dispute an mm1 violation. Brah, really brah?

Yup, i'm the only one playing.

you need at least 5 to play...

purikura · Post by **purikura** » Sat May 04, 2013 2:31 pm

Don't worry moosh I'll play with you

Hudson` · Post by **Hudson`** » Sat May 04, 2013 3:22 pm

TonyMontana wrote:There should be a players union. every OTHER professional league has one that accompanied by the establishment governed the league. If that wasn't possible, you could always choose an admin, and its division admins and such, like every 4 or 5 seasons, by voting them in. then AT LEAST when people bitch about the admins abusing their power, there will the point that well, he was voted in so..... And they wouldn't be around forever to continue to be dicks. And I'm sure theres alot of ppl out there that not only would make good admins, but have fantasized about what they would do, if in charge to better TPG.

if there was voting on rules, and admins by the players it would be way better. just sayin. Everyone in TPG should matter equally.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 3:24 pm

pro union hear

ward · Post by **ward** » Sat May 04, 2013 3:25 pm

TonyMontana wrote:There should be a players union. every OTHER professional league has one that accompanied by the establishment governed the league. If that wasn't possible, you could always choose an admin, and its division admins and such, like every 4 or 5 seasons, by voting them in. then AT LEAST when people bitch about the admins abusing their power, there will the point that well, he was voted in so..... And they wouldn't be around forever to continue to be dicks. And I'm sure theres alot of ppl out there that not only would make good admins, but have fantasized about what they would do, if in charge to better TPG.

if there was voting on rules, and admins by the players it would be way better. just sayin. Everyone in TPG should matter equally.

You know, they have countries for people like you. They are called North Korea and China.

Beast · Post by **Beast** » Sat May 04, 2013 4:01 pm

What are you jerks complaining about. I'm the one that's banned cause a couple chodes thought I was cheating. My demos were also passed out to people that wernt even part of the tpg ac.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sat May 04, 2013 4:12 pm

just dont cheat and ull never get disputed nor would u need to worry if u were disputed.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat May 04, 2013 5:41 pm

Beast wrote:What are you jerks complaining about. I'm the one that's banned cause a couple chodes thought I was cheating. My demos were also passed out to people that wernt even part of the tpg ac.

free beast

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Sat May 04, 2013 6:03 pm

stile wrote:
Beast wrote:What are you jerks complaining about. I'm the one that's banned cause a couple chodes thought I was cheating. My demos were also passed out to people that wernt even part of the tpg ac.
free beast

you forgot the # sign

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sat May 04, 2013 7:35 pm

Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sat May 04, 2013 7:40 pm

Jb_ wrote:Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.

u forgot that half of cheating is trying to hide it.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:01 pm

nunz wrote:
Jb_ wrote:Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.
u forgot that half of cheating is trying to hide it.

I didn't hide it, I made it pretty obvious.

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:29 pm

Jb_ wrote:
nunz wrote:
Jb_ wrote:Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.
u forgot that half of cheating is trying to hide it.
I didn't hide it, I made it pretty obvious.

i wasnt implying u were. tis was a crack at ur lack of cheating experience.

Swiss · Post by **Swiss** » Sat May 04, 2013 8:46 pm

Jb_ wrote:Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.

are you indirectly asking us to return to your ban thread?

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sat May 04, 2013 10:14 pm

Swiss wrote:
Jb_ wrote:Its ok to cheat in cs outside of a tpg match but if you cheat in dod one fucking time in 10 years outside of a tpg match then your banned and labeled a dirty rotten cheater! God I love this stupid sick twisted fucking community.
are you indirectly asking us to return to your ban thread?

God dammit swiss, why are you the only one who gets this???

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Sun May 05, 2013 1:34 am

TonyMontana wrote:There should be a players union. every OTHER professional league has one that accompanied by the establishment governed the league. If that wasn't possible, you could always choose an admin, and its division admins and such, like every 4 or 5 seasons, by voting them in. then AT LEAST when people bitch about the admins abusing their power, there will the point that well, he was voted in so..... And they wouldn't be around forever to continue to be dicks. And I'm sure theres alot of ppl out there that not only would make good admins, but have fantasized about what they would do, if in charge to better TPG.

if there was voting on rules, and admins by the players it would be way better. just sayin. Everyone in TPG should matter equally.

Who the fuck let this guy in?