ruthLess down

sloth · Post by **sloth** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:28 pm

sloth wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:what a fuckin load of shit, been using the same config for years havent touched it. now apparently suspended

milo · Post by **milo** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:31 pm

motive · Post by **motive** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:13 pm

yeah there wasn't this whole client thing to catch people cheating before so now that exists

Theworst · Post by **Theworst** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:59 pm

mike · Post by **mike** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:52 pm

Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..

Jakimo · Post by **Jakimo** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:15 pm

i just found out that u cant bind crouch to mouse wheel up, like 2 mins ago. ive read the rules in the past, and ive been reading the new rules. guess i must have missed it.

ide be pissed to if i got that ban. specially after he started this seasons roster nice and early.

bullgooselooney · Post by **bullgooselooney** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:23 pm

mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..

It could have been a lot worse. Ditch your team cause of 3 matches is sad. I bet people also think jump scripts are legal

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shoguNtw · Post by **shoguNtw** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:55 pm

mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..

It's time to hang it up for a while, as much as I didn't like the suspension it's not the biggest reason I left. Working a lot nowadays and the time away from work I need to be spending with my son and little family I have, I'll be turning the team over to Austin/ Bewton for the remainder of this season

bullgooselooney wrote:
mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..
It could have been a lot worse. Ditch your team cause of 3 matches is sad. I bet people also think jump scripts are legal .

I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:05 pm

Better see you around here and there, brah.

mistadobalina · Post by **mistadobalina** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:32 pm

wait.... what? you can't bind mwheel to crouch? uhhhhh.............................

and kobe i know we've had our differences in the past but best of luck man... didn't know you were a father, that shit can't be easy. maybe one day we can get those DoD championship rings that we so obviously deserve.

dogfire · Post by **dogfire** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

shoguNtw wrote:I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

There's clearly something wrong with your life then.

mike · Post by **mike** » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:49 pm

shoguNtw wrote:
mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..
It's time to hang it up for a while, as much as I didn't like the suspension it's not the biggest reason I left. Working a lot nowadays and the time away from work I need to be spending with my son and little family I have, I'll be turning the team over to Austin/ Bewton for the remainder of this season
bullgooselooney wrote:
mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..
It could have been a lot worse. Ditch your team cause of 3 matches is sad. I bet people also think jump scripts are legal .
I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

Ah okay. Hope everything is good with your new family

nomis · Post by **nomis** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:30 am

It's a god damn conspiracy, I say.

Post by **D-bo** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:08 am

nomis wrote:It's a god damn conspiracy, I say.

inb4 dullumis

shoguNtw · Post by **shoguNtw** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am

I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:38 am

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

TPG corrupt.

Post by **BoxeR** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:47 am

I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.

shoguNtw · Post by **shoguNtw** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:55 am

kirk wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin
TPG corrupt.

You think I deserved longer? :'(

BoxeR wrote:I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.

gonna be super hard to get used to I've used it forever

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:58 am

shoguNtw wrote:You think I deserved longer? :'(

Yeah bro, because what you did was horrific and gave you an insurmountable edge over every team you played. There's a special place in hell for people who bind crouch to their mousewheel.

shoguNtw · Post by **shoguNtw** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:12 pm

kirk wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:You think I deserved longer? :'(
Yeah bro, because what you did was horrific and gave you an insurmountable edge over every team you played. There's a special place in hell for people who bind crouch to their mousewheel.

absolutely, and considering my history i shouldve got a-rod time. thank god cleandod doesnt detect PEDs

toxinatoR · Post by **toxinatoR** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:16 pm

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:31 pm

shoguNtw wrote:
BoxeR wrote:I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.
gonna be super hard to get used to I've used it forever

poor stile has this same issue. I made him remove it before our match and he was like fish out of water.

shoguNtw · Post by **shoguNtw** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:32 pm

k4b00m wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:
BoxeR wrote:I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.
gonna be super hard to get used to I've used it forever
poor stile has this same issue. I made him remove it before our match and he was like fish out of water.

shouldve told me to. you guys probably wouldve won

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:37 pm

I thought you knew. I don't know if it was mentioned in the news post but everyone else seemed to know it was illegal. shrugs. Good to hear you're sticking around!

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:41 pm

k4b00m wrote:I thought you knew. I don't know if it was mentioned in the news post but everyone else seemed to know it was illegal. shrugs. Good to hear you're sticking around!

I'm assuming we're going to make quickswitching illegal now as well? What with the unfair advantage one has by being able to bind a key via the GUI and all.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:51 pm

crawtona wrote:
k4b00m wrote:I thought you knew. I don't know if it was mentioned in the news post but everyone else seemed to know it was illegal. shrugs. Good to hear you're sticking around!
I'm assuming we're going to make quickswitching illegal now as well? What with the unfair advantage one has by being able to bind a key via the GUI and all.

Most of the pubs already have that in their rules, it's only a matter of time before TPG follows suit.

stile · Post by **stile** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:52 pm

kirk wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:You think I deserved longer? :'(
Yeah bro, because what you did was horrific and gave you an insurmountable edge over every team you played. There's a special place in hell for people who bind crouch to their mousewheel.

are you being sarcastic? it actually makes a big difference

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:58 pm

k4b00m wrote:
crawtona wrote:
k4b00m wrote:I thought you knew. I don't know if it was mentioned in the news post but everyone else seemed to know it was illegal. shrugs. Good to hear you're sticking around!
I'm assuming we're going to make quickswitching illegal now as well? What with the unfair advantage one has by being able to bind a key via the GUI and all.

Most of the pubs already have that in their rules, it's only a matter of time before TPG follows suit.

Exactly. TPG needs to get with the times and eliminate all these nonsensical, and just plain unfair, advantages that anyone, even with a disabled console, can use to their completely unfair advantage (unfairly).

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:15 pm

stile wrote:
kirk wrote:
shoguNtw wrote:You think I deserved longer? :'(
Yeah bro, because what you did was horrific and gave you an insurmountable edge over every team you played. There's a special place in hell for people who bind crouch to their mousewheel.
are you being sarcastic? it actually makes a big difference

There's a fine line between "a difference" and "an insurmountable edge." Impossible to quantify, but I somehow doubt iwa won a single match in the history of their syndicate due to shogun's bind.

stile · Post by **stile** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:37 pm

do you even write what you read before you type it

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:44 pm

stile wrote:do you even write what you read before you type it

Do you even read what I post before you respond?

Hint: I didn't say that bind doesn't make a difference, but I was sarcastically alluding to the fact that it did not make an "insurmountable" difference. Goodness it was a hyperbolic statement, you should have been able to see I was being sarcastic.

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:54 pm

stile wrote:do you even write what you read before you type it

Hudson` · Post by **Hudson`** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:04 pm

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:08 pm

Hudson` wrote:

Wint0 · Post by **Wint0** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:08 pm

Holy fuck. Are you people serious? I realize I havent played this game at all serious in the last 5 years, but wow. I could be COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT, did anyone that played invite when coL/x6 ran the show use mwheelup as a crouch bind?

I feel like back then I would have noticed it or had at least known about it? I realize there is also a progression of play from then to now. Seems to me that binding something KNOWN to break your hitbox to mousewheel(something a LOT of natural selection players did in the day, also frowned upon/banned) should be banned.

Not sure where the argument is in this thread, but fuck. wow. mind blown.

akiro · Post by **akiro** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:36 pm

the natural selection thing is why everyone in the game never called cheats on anyone, just scripts. it was horrible and obnoxious to have to deal with the talentless shits who had to resort to that.

as far as comparing quickswitch to easy moding crouch hopping to the point it almost requires no thought is ridiculous. one offers an advantage, and the other is just THOUGHT to offer an advantage by idiots who run pubs.

i've long believed scripting is way more of an issue than actual cheats. wallhacking and bullshit like that can be detected through demo views. you can't find a script through a demo if the person knows how to script well. m_pitch, and other shit like that has been HUGE in dod forever. i mean who wouldnt want to make their bar/garand have barely any upwards recoil ?

it's not surprising cleanDOD is getting a shit load of objections.

pyrite · Post by **pyrite** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:35 pm

Wint0 wrote:Holy fuck. Are you people serious? I realize I havent played this game at all serious in the last 5 years, but wow. I could be COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT, did anyone that played invite when coL/x6 ran the show use mwheelup as a crouch bind?

I feel like back then I would have noticed it or had at least known about it? I realize there is also a progression of play from then to now. Seems to me that binding something KNOWN to break your hitbox to mousewheel(something a LOT of natural selection players did in the day, also frowned upon/banned) should be banned.

Not sure where the argument is in this thread, but fuck. wow. mind blown.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:09 pm

crawtona wrote:
k4b00m wrote:I thought you knew. I don't know if it was mentioned in the news post but everyone else seemed to know it was illegal. shrugs. Good to hear you're sticking around!
I'm assuming we're going to make quickswitching illegal now as well? What with the unfair advantage one has by being able to bind a key via the GUI and all.

Quickswitching has never been illegal. Binding mousewheel to duck has always been illegal. That is a poor assumption.

DanJhonson · Post by **DanJhonson** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:45 pm

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

sloth · Post by **sloth** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:13 pm

from this:

shoguNtw wrote:
mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..
It's time to hang it up for a while, as much as I didn't like the suspension it's not the biggest reason I left. Working a lot nowadays and the time away from work I need to be spending with my son and little family I have, I'll be turning the team over to Austin/ Bewton for the remainder of this season

bullgooselooney wrote:
mike wrote:Still don't understand why he left iwa roster. It's only a 3 week suspension.. it's not the end of the world lol..
It could have been a lot worse. Ditch your team cause of 3 matches is sad. I bet people also think jump scripts are legal .

I'm sorry dod isn't the #1 priority in my life

to this:

shoguNtw wrote:I've changed my mind already because my serious suspension was shortened to 2 weeks and because I believe we can win this season. Even though apparently some admins wanted me banned longer for my harmless bind. Let the rustling begin

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:28 pm

do it on LAN ya filthy cheaters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKsXwlM4yA&t=6m18s

zbeec · Post by **zbeec** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:32 am

akiro wrote:the natural selection thing is why everyone in the game never called cheats on anyone, just scripts. it was horrible and obnoxious to have to deal with the talentless shits who had to resort to that.

as far as comparing quickswitch to easy moding crouch hopping to the point it almost requires no thought is ridiculous. one offers an advantage, and the other is just THOUGHT to offer an advantage by idiots who run pubs.

i've long believed scripting is way more of an issue than actual cheats. wallhacking and bullshit like that can be detected through demo views. you can't find a script through a demo if the person knows how to script well. m_pitch, and other shit like that has been HUGE in dod forever. i mean who wouldnt want to make their bar/garand have barely any upwards recoil ?

it's not surprising cleanDOD is getting a shit load of objections.

who no recoils? that shit is over rated

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:38 am

akiro wrote:the natural selection thing is why everyone in the game never called cheats on anyone, just scripts. it was horrible and obnoxious to have to deal with the talentless shits who had to resort to that.

as far as comparing quickswitch to easy moding crouch hopping to the point it almost requires no thought is ridiculous. one offers an advantage, and the other is just THOUGHT to offer an advantage by idiots who run pubs.

i've long believed scripting is way more of an issue than actual cheats. wallhacking and bullshit like that can be detected through demo views. you can't find a script through a demo if the person knows how to script well. m_pitch, and other shit like that has been HUGE in dod forever. i mean who wouldnt want to make their bar/garand have barely any upwards recoil ?

it's not surprising cleanDOD is getting a shit load of objections.

You're comparing a script (aka a set of commands setup through the config/console in order to perform multiple actions with a single click of a button) to binding a single key to a single command. Something that can be done by anybody simply through the GUI. No "scripting" or even use of the console is necessary. Literally built into the game, just like quickswitching.

Your entire argument is predicated on the belief that a mechanic built into the game should have X amount of difficulty to achieve, where X is some arbitrary value you have created in your mind. It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

knockout wrote: Quickswitching has never been illegal. Binding mousewheel to duck has always been illegal. That is a poor assumption.

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

It's not the biggest deal in the world, just take a little bit of getting used to tapping crouch instead of...tapping crouch with a different button. It's just a dumb rule, imo.

motive · Post by **motive** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:54 am

This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with fucked up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

crawtona wrote:It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.

Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:06 am

motive wrote:This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with fucked up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

crawtona wrote:It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.
Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's being used to some great advantage. I've used it to occasionally hop around a corner (incredibly easy to do with CTRL as well) and also to sprint run more efficiently (sprint, crouch hop into a crouch, also go a tick faster down hill, both completely achievable without mousewheel). How would spamming it be used to an advantage? Seems that would fuck you up more than help you.

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:59 am

BoxeR wrote:I had always used crouch bound to mwheel only for regaining stamina after running or for flutter peeking as a sniper. Was pretty hard when I found out it was illegal to get use to not using it.

I have always played with my crouch bound to ctrl and C so I can tap C while strafing left and ctrl when strafing right. Just a suggestion.

naz · Post by **naz** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:40 am

crawtona wrote:
motive wrote:This has always been illegal, and for a good reason: you break a broken game's broken hitboxes even more when you do this shit. It's the same reason spamming hand-signals was banned in CAL/TPG, because your character is flailing around with fucked up hitboxes. That doesn't require any effort either, but it's illegal nonetheless.

There's lots of shit that's "built into the game" that you aren't allowed to do. Illegal spots, boosting, duck spamming, hand signal spamming, 16-bitting if you're a CS player at least... list goes on.

crawtona wrote:It is not impossible in the least to use CTRL (or shift, or any other key on your keyboard) to achieve the same "advantage" that using mousewheel down/up does, it's just a bit more difficult/requires a bit more practice.
Do you really think that you can press a key with your pinky/ring finger faster that the mousescroll event gets fired? I'll write the code for you to test that theory out and prove me wrong.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's being used to some great advantage. I've used it to occasionally hop around a corner (incredibly easy to do with CTRL as well) and also to sprint run more efficiently (sprint, crouch hop into a crouch, also go a tick faster down hill, both completely achievable without mousewheel). How would spamming it be used to an advantage? Seems that would fuck you up more than help you.

This has nothing to do with just a simple hop around a corner. Duck running (originally called the Russian Walk in cs after the guy who discovered it) is where you use mouse wheel to crouch rapidly. One of the things it does it is screws with your hitboxes, making you noticeably hard to hit. The reason it is illegal to bind crouch to mousewheel is that the mousewheel allows you to execute crouches very quickly in rapid succession. It's much harder to abuse this hitting ctrl (or other key) with your pinky.

akiro · Post by **akiro** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:49 am

First off i wasnt referring to quickswitch and crouch hopping via mosewheel as scripts, i was talking no recoil and other binds people use to change recoil/mechanics of the game based on current weapon being used.

Secondly once again i said quickswitching does absolutely nothing besides eliminating the need to hit more than one button yo perform a function that does not alter the games mechanics in an unfair way. Crouch hopping via mousewheel takes advantage of the severely broken dod/hl hitboxes and makes you crouch hop to further break said hitboxes. If you have to manually hot ctrl repeatedly or whatever button you choose to do it everytime i gurantee it will be way less effective than jist being able to roll your finger quickly. Yes everyone can do it, but does it make it right?

But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

crawtona · Post by **crawtona** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:01 pm

akiro wrote:But who knows maybe the issue is now people have to learn to adjust and are mad?

I don't know. I'm still not convinced it would actually make sense to use it in the way that it supposedly causes an unfair advantage, but either way, they aren't going to reverse the rule or anything so I guess the only thing to do is remember to unbind it (and then get stuck on small ledges while scrolling through my weapons like an idiot for a week or two).

knockout · Post by **knockout** » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:05 pm

Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it should be. Plus, I was being sarcastic to make a point. The point being, you are banning a mechanic of the game based on your belief that said mechanic should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve or gives some unfair advantage (even though everybody is just as capable of using it). Just like pubs want you to mash your number keys instead of the quickswitch button.

I know you were being sarcastic. I was just pointing out how weak your point was.

First off, this was banned years ago when it was discovered. And guess what? There was no outrage against it, because it is obvious how it ruins the game. When a player model is constantly going between duck and standing, their hitboxes are constantly switching from duck hitboxes to standing hitboxes. There is no fluid movement for these, so you're basically playing hitbox roulette when you try to shoot a player who is doing this. This is why this bind has been, is, and will remain illegal.

Secondly, it absolutely should require a higher amount of difficulty to achieve this. This is breaking the fundamentals of a FPS game, and making yourself very hard to hit should not be as easy as tweaking a bind. Doesn't that seem a little bit like making your recoil easier to control by tweaking a command? Just because everyone is capable of doing it doesn't mean it should be done. Everyone is capable of aimbotting, but I don't think it's a good idea to allow that.