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reddogg · Post by **reddogg** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:25 pm

not sure if something like this is in the works or not but could we possibly have the pub division in tpg instead of dcn considering none of the pub teams are playing in dcn?

as it would stand right now the divisions might look something like this(rough sketch)

Upper

Thunder
Winnfield
Risk
dpk
slow loris
99
dgf
LcM
GSR

Lower

WR
fM
1080p
Teamless
MVPZ
HH

Pub
BtH
BIO
KS
BAW
HK
475

this might spead it out more to where an 6-8 week schedule vs. a 10 week schedule would be needed but i think this would balance the talent levels out a bit and make each week have better match ups for all, any1 else think this might work or comments on how to make it better?

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:41 pm

Not really enough teams for this. You would need to recruit at least 2 more teams in each of the lower divisions for that to work out and not be terrible.

JaGGoNdd · Post by **JaGGoNdd** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:53 pm

at least 2 teams in upper are likely going to be dying as well. possibility for a new team to form under some circumstances/ one of those two teams dying to stay alive. either way i think the idea for a pub division might be a good one.

rwc8thc · Post by **rwc8thc** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:16 pm

This idea is already in the works and has been all season. I'm trying to find a way around to the team shortage problem. If that means mixing in a couple of South American teams then that's probably what I'll do. I will stress a couple though. If we have, say, 8 teams, I don't want any more than 2 SA teams.. if we have 10, then no more than 3. I think the pub clans are more accepting when it comes to playing Brazis so I hope it wont be an issue.

I'm also confident that once the other pub teams out there get word that TPG has a dedicated pub division, that they will come back to the league. And I think they would be open to the idea of playing a few rematches during the season if it means they can play close, fun, and competitive games. The days of people like ceebz dropping 65 kills per half on the inexperienced players needs to stop.

TPG would likely be reorganized as Lower, Middle, and Upper.. just like the old days

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:24 pm

^ This

And when rwc says a couple it is almost literally two teams from each "division"... as far as activity in SA concerns we have only dW, Wildi, Argento, Reines.Ei and wAL playing and scriming often... So, that's pretty much what it is.

reddogg · Post by **reddogg** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:27 pm

rwc8thc wrote:And I think they would be open to the idea of playing a few rematches during the season if it means they can play close, fun, and competitive games.

this

Post by **ceebz** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:37 pm

rwc8thc wrote:This idea is already in the works and has been all season. I'm trying to find a way around to the team shortage problem. If that means mixing in a couple of South American teams then that's probably what I'll do. I will stress a couple though. If we have, say, 8 teams, I don't want any more than 2 SA teams.. if we have 10, then no more than 3. I think the pub clans are more accepting when it comes to playing Brazis so I hope it wont be an issue.

I'm also confident that once the other pub teams out there get word that TPG has a dedicated pub division, that they will come back to the league. And I think they would be open to the idea of playing a few rematches during the season if it means they can play close, fun, and competitive games. The days of people like ceebz dropping 65 kills per half on the inexperienced players needs to stop.

TPG would likely be reorganized as Lower, Middle, and Upper.. just like the old days

good.. its sucks to play pubbers, its so boring -_-

james- · Post by **james-** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:51 pm

Boring, lol. I'm sure you put some serious wear into those trypants of yours to drop that 65.

Regardless it's a really good idea to give the pub clans their own division. It's fun to be wrecking ball, but when a team gets shit on constantly they're eventually going to say fuck it and stop playing in leagues, or dod altogether.

`NG · Post by **`NG** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:20 pm

team Boner Jamz will pick up the slack.

Post by **Black Hawk** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:36 am

Middle and Lower Lower = Pubs you know half of them will be pissed that there called pubbers
Can GSR start a second team and play in the pubber division?
And take 1 team from that upper stack, Maybe GSR or another low ranking team. 2 Lowest win/lose teams move to middle, WR and GSR unless a new team starts in upper or LCM dies

Wint0 · Post by **Wint0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:02 am

WHY are we in upper? not nearly good enough? We didn't want to be there anyways...

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:19 am

Wint0 wrote:WHY are we in upper? not nearly good enough? We didn't want to be there anyways...

This exactly. That Ivan kid is only good on LAN, terrible online.

rymoz · Post by **rymoz** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:51 am

Black Hawk wrote:Middle and Lower Lower = Pubs you know half of them will be pissed that there called pubbers
Can GSR start a second team and play in the pubber division?
And take 1 team from that upper stack, Maybe GSR or another low ranking team. 2 Lowest win/lose teams move to middle, WR and GSR unless a new team starts in upper or LCM dies

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:46 pm

YEA A DIVISION WITH ONLY 5 TEAMS IN IT, WIN.

The division of the teams should be the least of worries nowadays, i mean come on.

The best idea would be to take the teams with 10+ people on the roster, and get the people that want to play make a new team. The only problem with this is that alot of people dont read 1911, and no way to get ahold of each other. TOO BAD IRC ISN'T AROUND.

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:16 pm

honestly, at this point, just combine the "upper" and "middle" division into one division. I have no problems getting destroyed by thunder. I've played all the teams in the middle division and i know they can compete with the middle to lower half of upper and It will only force us teams to get better. Besides, when i see a league with 10 teams and then 8 of them make the playoffs, its kinda dumb and makes the regular season meaningless if just about everyone makes the playoffs anyway.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:18 pm

rymoz wrote:
Black Hawk wrote:Middle and Lower Lower = Pubs you know half of them will be pissed that there called pubbers
Can GSR start a second team and play in the pubber division?
And take 1 team from that upper stack, Maybe GSR or another low ranking team. 2 Lowest win/lose teams move to middle, WR and GSR unless a new team starts in upper or LCM dies

lmao

Wint0 · Post by **Wint0** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:16 pm

defiance wrote:honestly, at this point, just combine the "upper" and "middle" division into one division. I have no problems getting destroyed by thunder. I've played all the teams in the middle division and i know they can compete with the middle to lower half of upper and It will only force us teams to get better. Besides, when i see a league with 10 teams and then 8 of them make the playoffs, its kinda dumb and makes the regular season meaningless if just about everyone makes the playoffs anyway.

What he said, and then put the "pub clans" in the pub division. If i'm reading his post correctly.

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:26 pm

you sir are correct, wint0

Post by **Black Hawk** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:49 am

No No No senor. Look why would you have HH or Bth go against Thunder? Just make a middle. Look TPG has always been about the better your are the more your team advances. Good Team with good players are upper
Ok teams with good players go to middle.
And pub clans to lower.
Upper and middle have the same amount of teams.
I think who ever wins Middle Championships goes to upper, and who ever has the least wins or Most loses goes to Middle. Why would you have everyone in the same division? We have DCN you can go there if you want to play EVERY team. But I dont think some of these middle teams want to be playing winnfield or Thunder or even any upper team for that matter.
WR doesnt want to play upper again and If we went to lower we may win or Almost win it like last year. Maybe FM and another team could swap places if Nick wants to play upper still.

Upper
Thunder
Winnfield
99
LCM
Risk
Slow Loris
Dgf
Dpk
Middle
FM
WR
GSR(maybe in upper if 1 team joins upper)
HH
Bth
Mvps
1080p
TeamLess
Lower
KS
BAW
475th
BIO
GSR2 if they want to play again, I know they didn't like playing against good teams like BAW when they had miller Kaboom and Mix

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:05 am

You have to look at the teams that you put in upper, though.

Black Hawk wrote: Thunder
Winnfield
99
LCM
Risk
Slow Loris
Dgf
Dpk

How many of those teams are playing next season? Winnfield wants to only play dcn (if that still stands true), 99 is going to die (but in its place will be a secret, awesome team), LCM, dpk maybe? That has to be taken into account. :/

linuslolz · Post by **linuslolz** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:21 am

Since swiss is back after the summer i suppose he can keep lcm together.

Post by **Black Hawk** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:09 am

Give or take a couple teams stealth. I mean I know for sure if LCM dies along with Winnfield there will be atleast 1 team coming from that group. And I think NG will start Boner Jamz back so FM could play upper. Different scenarios

mogers · Post by **mogers** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:13 am

Move dgf to lower please. I want in on this secret awesome team Kevin.

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:41 am

If there are three divisions, my team would not belong in the top division as currently constructed.

Narc · Post by **Narc** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:05 am

Airnick15 wrote:If there are three divisions, my team would not belong in the top division as currently constructed.

No anyteam you are on will be in upper, I think its time for you and your team to get a taste of its own medicine. No more crying about roster issues, then shit stomping lower. Just my thought

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:33 am

Did you miss the part where we lost to three different teams? NEWFLASH, we aren't in finals!

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:59 am

Airnick15 wrote:Did you miss the part where we lost to three different teams? NEWFLASH, we aren't in finals!

Sand baggin on purpose, like this hasnt been done in professional sports before.

Expunge · Post by **Expunge** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:08 am

mvpz hh 1080p and teamless should be moved up also and maybe bio

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:29 am

Jb_ wrote:
Airnick15 wrote:Did you miss the part where we lost to three different teams? NEWFLASH, we aren't in finals!
Sand baggin on purpose, like this hasnt been done in professional sports before.

It's true, I told our heavies to let ceebz drop 50 on them so we could squeak out another lower season.

stile · Post by **stile** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:57 am

dpk will not be playing in TPG next season. TPG killed us. I'm not sure about DCN, but I'd hardly call that dpk anyways

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:04 am

yeah, both of our teams are pretty much dead now lol....

I've done enough to keep it alive as long as it was..

TPG likes to ban our players that still know how to play the game, and DCN isn't the same roster so it's not fun!

stile · Post by **stile** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:11 am

I'm sure we will still scrim, right kaboom? We gotta practice for those big LANs coming up so hellfire will leave us alone.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:14 pm

I already went to a LAN ;(

They're a greasy sausage fest, so I'll pass on anymore LANs.

SCRIMMING FOR SURE THOUGH!!

nunz · Post by **nunz** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:53 pm

why not have 2 divisions.

Upper with the top 10

Lower with the rest.

Then come playoff time have two sets of playoffs for lower. Top 8 for upper move into the upper bracket and then the best 6 lower teams plus the bottom 2 upper teams create the lower final bracket. Then you can have the finalist move up and if one of the two upper teams fail to win they move down to lower or become the next team if an upper team dies.

Then another lower bracket with the 7-14 place teams for a consolation bracket.

I think it keep that bottom teams in lower interested cause there is always a chance to make the playoffs for the pub teams. I just dont see a middle division working at this point. we have no more than 20 solid teams atm that should only be enough for two divisions for now.

milo · Post by **milo** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:53 pm

team #LANmemories coming soon!

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:35 pm

k4b00m wrote:...and DCN isn't the same roster so it's not fun!

The only people that WERE dpk in dcn didn't even want to play...and then just whined before every match. It could have been lots of fun =/

Post by **Black Hawk** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:01 am

I don't know if this is hard for some of you to understand. Some Lower pepople/ captains DON'T want to play in upper but don't want to play in lower. If they want to play in upper they can join another team. HAVE A MIDDLE Division, is that not better? Everyone gets what they want. Good teams in lower play in middle Least wins / more losses in upper move down to middle. How it's been forever. the lower will be pub teams. Middle wil be teams who aren't good enough to play with thunder but will win or do great in lower. If theres a pub division more pub clans will come to play. No pub teams wants to play against FM or Teamless and get butt fucked. But if we have a middle division they will get a chance to play with people at there own skil level. I know WR can't play in upper, I don't think HH, Teamless or 1080p could match up against some of the best upper teams, they might want to but it's alot diffrent from a scrim. Just make an Upper and Move the two least winning teams from upper to middle and the top teams from upper. Lower will be 475th, BAW, BIO, and Convince GSR2 to make a team or they can just have bye weeks. It all makes since, having just a bunch of upper teams and pub lower teams wil jsut make teams want to quit playing and then the cummunity will decrease again. Fucking spell check won't work. But it's alot better to have 3 divisions.

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:14 am

So you want the same 4 teams to play each other over and over for 6-8 weeks?

Thats why there is no middle, there simply are not enough people playing this game to make it a very viable option

Expunge · Post by **Expunge** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:18 am

we only played 6 teams this season in lower anyway

i'd rather play against every team in my division than only half of the teams

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:35 am

If you consider some south american teams in this new division mix, like it was a couple of years ago, yeah, in fact you can have a good solid three divisions according to teams level. Unfortunately after 5 seasons mixing sa teams within one division not considering their skill level just killed the majority of teams that, just like USA pub teams, don't like to be spanked by +800 points spread.

We can have ping issues but as most of you read it in here, it isn't actually hard to hit us, maybe until we sprint like schmiggs once said, but believe in us when we say that is very hard to play laggy against people with good ms, its a huge disadvantage but we gladly accept playing under these conditions simply because its always fun and competitive playing against someone different from your country or skill level. However I think the main feature of the average SA players is that we don't cheat (well, some of the wildi guys did rated but after get two matches reversed I think they have their lesson acknowledged).

Just for instance, reines, argento, wal, fireyes would fit pub division perfectly... pub teams just want have fun with their friends and this is the same objective of the previously mentioned.

Fire, rehab/weakmind are mid level teams and for upper, dw and wild ineters could figure among them.

Peharps this could help a brand new division formula.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:43 am

Black Hawk wrote:I don't know if this is hard for some of you to understand. Some Lower pepople/ captains DON'T want to play in upper but don't want to play in lower. If they want to play in upper they can join another team. HAVE A MIDDLE Division, is that not better?

No need to get antsy. From what I've read, everybody more or less agrees with you. You must just be ignoring all the others posts like this that explain it to you:

unpro wrote:So you want the same 4 teams to play each other over and over for 6-8 weeks?

Thats why there is no middle, there simply are not enough people playing this game to make it a very viable option

The only way to make this work properly is to put the South Americans back into groups with everybody else, but of course that will send half the players into a blind frenzy.

ohhhhbeeee · Post by **ohhhhbeeee** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:46 am

but all the south americans would play in lower since they're awful.

stealthlol · Post by **stealthlol** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:47 am

Which would solve the "4 teams in lower" debate. Look at you go, Leroy.

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:52 am

Not half stealth... nowadays you guys are a way more friendly towards than you ever were. Well, as far as I'm concerned only a few still have cons against SA people because they probably got spanked by one of us at some point of their e-thug gaming experience...

Airnick15 · Post by **Airnick15** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:56 am

Combine w SA so the pub teams can play each other only

defiance · Post by **defiance** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:24 am

Upper
Thunder
dreamworks
99
risk
slow loris
dgf
Wild Ineters
GSR

Variables: dpk, winnfield, LcM

Middle:
WR
HH
1080p
fM
MVPz
Teamless
weakmind
rehab
argento
reines.el
wal
fireeyes

Pub:
BIO*
KS
BtH
BAW
475
HK

Are any of those south american teams, "pub" teams. It would be highly annoying to pretty much have to play a south american team every other week.

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:30 am

Last four (reines, argento, wal and fireyes) can be considered as pubbers - play against any of these and see for yourself! Haven't any of you played against |Reines.Ei| * CaP. WinTerS or [-Argento-] Infiltrado squads on a scrim or maybe in TPG 3v3?

Schmiggs · Post by **Schmiggs** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:49 am

Morsa from argentina was one of my favorite SA players and 5.o players of all time.

reddogg · Post by **reddogg** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:35 pm

defiance wrote:Upper
Thunder
dreamworks
99
risk
slow loris
dgf
Wild Ineters
GSR

Variables: dpk, winnfield, LcM

Middle:
WR
HH
1080p
fM
MVPz
Teamless
weakmind
rehab
argento
reines.el
wal
fireeyes

Pub:
BIO*
KS
BtH
BAW
475
HK

Are any of those south american teams, "pub" teams. It would be highly annoying to pretty much have to play a south american team every other week.

move reines.el, argento and fireeyes to the pub division and this should work fine

unpro · Post by **unpro** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:49 pm

No ones hates the SAs personally, we just have had pretty much universal shit experiences with them. Rates being the biggest. Its already a bitch to hit people with 200+ ping in dod, let alone when people with 200 ping are using rates like 35/20. It was a constant issue in cal, one of the largest reasons people dislike playing with SAs is the seemingly universal attitude to play with shit rates, atleast in the lower tiers. The cal-m+ guys where the only ones who seemed willing to play with correct rates, and they got a lot of playtime from the american players for it without the complaints associated with most SA teams.

its a bitch to hit people in dod period sometimes, dont make it more of a shitty experience with bad rates is all i think anyone really wants and then playing with you guys wont ever be an issue, maybe even enjoyable.