WORLD CUP 2014

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:16 am

Any of you care about soccer? who's gonna win?

USA have arguably the toughest group (germany, portugal, ghana), any americans remotely optimistic?

edit:sp

nik · Post by **nik** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:24 am

Brasil

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:56 am

nik wrote:Brasil

That's the spirit Nik!

OP - The english team has a tough group too, specially because the players are not used with our unorthodox weather conditions and long flight distance for their group play matches if compared to Premier League matches. I do think that Belgium will surprise everyone and either Spain or Argentina will be the runner ups.

Bring it!

jigsawww · Post by **jigsawww** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:30 am

mexico

Shoolta · Post by **Shoolta** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:07 am

1 name "Lionel Messi" for everything else there masterd card, go home neymar, cr7 and others, argentina champs

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:08 am

cassinoroyale wrote:
OP - The english team has a tough group too, specially because the players are not used with our unorthodox weather conditions and long flight distance for their group play matches if compared to Premier League matches.

heh, will be really surprised to exit the group. every cup the english media gets excited. but they have the shortest memories.... last world cup group stage this was our results:

england 1 - 1 USA
england 0 - 0 algeria
england 1 - 0 slovenia

terrible results in a far easier group than we have this time, and it was with a better team than we have now as well

it's hard to look past argentina and brazil to win but I kinda fancy germany for some reason

avenger · Post by **avenger** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:50 am

Sorry, I'm too busy watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmamoNP8DRY

milo · Post by **milo** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:02 am

I hope my Germans win it, but it doesn't look likely after a shit load of injuries :/

I can't wait for the World Cup to start, I think Croatia might get a result against Brasil today. VAMOS

ralle · Post by **ralle** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:55 am

This will be great!

http://termite.apcdn.com/full/122308.png

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:40 pm

If we can beat Ghana, I'm optimistic, and think we have a chance to move out of the knockout stage. The strikers by committee that replaced Donovan have scored 4-5 goals collectively in the warmup matches going into the WC. So that right there is something to be happy about it.

Everyone said Portugal would roll over us in 2010 and they didn't. If we can beat Ghana, I think we have a good shot.

dogfire · Post by **dogfire** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:35 pm

tenks wrote:If we can beat Ghana, I'm optimistic, and think we have a chance to move out of the knockout stage. The strikers by committee that replaced Donovan have scored 4-5 goals collectively in the warmup matches going into the WC. So that right there is something to be happy about it.

Everyone said Portugal would roll over us in 2010 and they didn't. If we can beat Ghana, I think we have a good shot.

lol

tugger · Post by **tugger** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:54 pm

go netherlands! (im actually from there)

onax · Post by **onax** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:09 pm

Spain.

k4b00m · Post by **k4b00m** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:15 pm

I'm rooting for england, but secretly I don't give a shit about soccer futbol

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:24 pm

milo wrote:I think Croatia might get a result against Brasil today. VAMOS

WRONG!

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:33 pm

That Japanese ref was the same one that had some bad calls in 2010 too right? he looks so fucking familiar.

He gave that game to brazil btw. ugly play.

Pr0n · Post by **Pr0n** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:45 pm

milo wrote:I hope my Germans win it, but it doesn't look likely after a shit load of injuries :/

i hope for that also very much, but tbh anything less then half-finals would be a real disappointment. In my opinion the injury situation isn't as bad as displayed by media, even though the loss of Reuss really hurts, but still a world class team :p

milo · Post by **milo** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:23 pm

cassinoroyale wrote:
milo wrote:I think Croatia might get a result against Brasil today. VAMOS
WRONG!

Dat Fred dive doe???

rymoz · Post by **rymoz** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:29 pm

What a fucking joke. I don't know what was worse, Brazil's diving or the terrible referees.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:35 am

that was a dissapointing game from the ref, but the goalie cost croatia the match! he should have been stronger to save that penalty, and the last goal was a shitty toepoke where he kinda just flopped to the floor at a glacial pace

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:09 am

An1maL wrote:that was a dissapointing game from the ref, but the goalie cost croatia the match! he should have been stronger to save that penalty, and the last goal was a shitty toepoke where he kinda just flopped to the floor at a glacial pace

I agree with the penalty (Nishimura's mistake but you should blame Fifa picking up referees from football backwaters, not Brazil), he should have defended. For the third goal, no. If you look at the replay the ball was really well placed and I don't think many goalkeepers would be able to save it. Maybe E. Van der Sar on his prime lol. The first goal was defensible though. Pletikosa jump save attempt was really delayed, costing him the chance of defense.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:34 am

cassinoroyale wrote: For the third goal, no. If you look at the replay the ball was really well placed and I don't think many goalkeepers would be able to save it. Maybe E. Van der Sar on his prime lol. The first goal was defensible though. Pletikosa jump save attempt was really delayed, costing him the chance of defense.

we're reading that differently, for the first goal at least he properly dived horizontally and still couldn't get it. for the third goal all he had to do was just get down since it was not even a body length away from him, plus the shot wasn't very powerful and from way outside the box! but you're right that his reaction speed was the problem too

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:32 am

rymoz wrote:What a fucking joke. I don't know what was worse, Brazil's diving or the terrible referees.

Take a deep breath. Everything is going to be ok.

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:52 am

Brazil won this match thanks to the ref. A player who weighs 90kg does not fall that easy from a hand on his shoulder. I actually think Croatia deserved to win this match, because Brazil had periods when they was just playing awful. The trio Modric/Rakitic/Kovacic easily controlled the middle against Paulinho/Luis Gustavo/Hulk(expected more from him).
I had love to see Mandzukic play, to bad he was suspended.

An1maL wrote:that was a dissapointing game from the ref, but the goalie cost croatia the match! he should have been stronger to save that penalty, and the last goal was a shitty toepoke where he kinda just flopped to the floor at a glacial pace

Stipe Pletikosa is 35 years old, at that age your speed is not that good anymore. You can't really blame him for the 3rd goal.(Didn't watch the 2nd goal, can't argue about that one). The toepoke from Oscar had a really good precision considering he shot while running and not many goalkeepers expect that. Never underestimate a toepoke, it's actually very effective =)

Pletikosa performance was better than Júlio César.

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:23 am

Really? I thought the 3rd goal was good. Oscar struck the ball at a time when most goalies wouldn't expect a shot. Even I was surprised when he put it on goal. The 1st goal I thought he needed to do better on... it was so slow that he had time to take another step before diving but he just went to the ground and didn't make it far enough to get a touch.

The penalty was whatever... FIFA needs to suspend Fred (and all players that do that shit) for a game for that, because it's really fucking hard to tell if these professional actors are acting. To expect the refs to get every call right when the players are flopping around like fish is too much. I thought the goalie interference call against croatia was very light considering the penalty brasil was given though.

All sports should adopt hockey's way of calling dives. Call a penalty against the other team, but then also call them for embellishment to offset it. The way it's called now actually doesn't discourage diving at all.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:43 am

You're right that it's too hard for refs to spot diving, sometimes based on the angle it's physically impossible for a ref to judge if there's contact. The punishment needs to be reassessed, people get yellow carded a lot for diving in the UK premiership, not seen much of that in international games though. IMO retrospective banning would put a stop to it the fastest, imagine if fred was awarded a one game ban now, he'd cut that shit right out

Watching the Mexico - Cameroon game, we've really gotta get video analysis for important calls - mexico just had two legit goals disallowed. First one was kinda close, offside decisions are hard to judge as linesmen literally have to look in two places at once so they deserve some sympathy. But the second one is an absolute joke, it clearly came off a cameroon head on the way through, 5 seconds of video analysis would see justice done. Frankly if these errors continue it's embarrassing for the sport

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:12 am

I agree that the Croatian goalie should have done a better job. If he's too old and slow, then it's the Coach's fault for picking him to play in a World Cup. Stupidest argument ever.

Even tho the play was poor, I'm glad Brazil won. Could you imagine if they lost the opening match of the World Cup in their own homeland? The whole f'n country would erupt and riot and probably prevent any more matches from being played, lol

edit: Animal I thought FIFA implemented goal line cameras/replay last cup?

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:46 am

tenks wrote:I agree that the Croatian goalie should have done a better job. If he's too old and slow, then it's the Coach's fault for picking him to play in a World Cup. Stupidest argument ever.

Even tho the play was poor, I'm glad Brazil won. Could you imagine if they lost the opening match of the World Cup in their own homeland? The whole f'n country would erupt and riot and probably prevent any more matches from being played, lol

edit: Animal I thought FIFA implemented goal line cameras/replay last cup?

Old experienced goalie who have lost some speed > young unexperied goalie with barely any experience [not the best comparisons, but w/e]
Puting a goalkeeper with experience even if he's old and slow have never a bad thing, because he bring experience to the field which is needed. No matter how good a team is. You can't pick 3 goalskeepers with barely any experience of being in the squad for previous World Cup/*Insert name of region cup(e.g European Championship) or main goalie for a team in the big 5(Premier League, Liga BBVA, Bundesliga, Lique 1 & Serie A). There's one thing if the club haven't participated for a long time or if it's the first time.
I'm not that familiar with Croatia and goalkeepers beside Pletikosa, so don't know how good his backups are.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:54 am

tenks wrote:Even tho the play was poor, I'm glad Brazil won. Could you imagine if they lost the opening match of the World Cup in their own homeland?

lol I was thinking the same, imagine if they didn't qualify from the group, given that there's already mass protests against the world cup and over HALF the country didn't want it in the first place ( comical summary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I )

tenks wrote:edit: Animal I thought FIFA implemented goal line cameras/replay last cup?

yeh we have the technology that tells us whether or not the ball has crossed the line almost instantly, but that's it so far. that's pretty rarely useful and doesn't help for calls like offside decisions, penalty decisions or diving etc. the main argument against having replay analysis is that it will slow down the game stopping every minute to analyse something, and football is supposed to be a free flowing spectacle. I think they should do something like wimbledon where you get 3 challenges per game (& correct challenge doesn't use up one)

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:36 am

Lineups for Spain - Netherlands. Starting in 20 minutes

Spain: 4-3-2-1
Casillas
Azplicueta, Piqué, Sergio Ramos, Jordi Alba
Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Xavi
Silva, Iniesta
Diego Costa.

Netherlands: 5-3-2
Cillessen
Janmaat, Vlaar, De Vrij, Martins Indi, Blind
De Guzman, Sneijder, De Jong
Robben, Van Persie.

I'm looking forward for this match, will be interesting how well Oranjes' defense can stop Diego Costa & Co. Van Gaal made the decision to play with 5-3-2 instead for 4-3-3 is a interesting choice. However, Spain should have no problems to defeat Netherlands.

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:57 am

Only way to beat possession football is to park the bus/counter attack. Smart choice

Red--- · Post by **Red---** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:43 pm

nhoj wrote:However, Spain should have no problems to defeat Netherlands.

lots of problems it seems.
best game ive seen in a while, i thought the ref was great. he let them play the game. I did think spain would take it but not 20mins into the match i knew i made a wrong choice.

milo · Post by **milo** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:53 pm

Netherlands 5 Spain 1

tenks · Post by **tenks** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:55 pm

i think Spain drank whatever the Miami Heat are drinking...Current champs looking terrible these days. TERRIBLLLL

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:55 pm

wow, don't think anybody expected that. robben made the likes of ramos and pique and cassillas look slow as fuck

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:10 pm

Red--- wrote:
nhoj wrote:However, Spain should have no problems to defeat Netherlands.
lots of problems it seems.
best game ive seen in a while, i thought the ref was great. he let them play the game. I did think spain would take it but not 20mins into the match i knew i made a wrong choice.

Hahaha, I guess my predictions for this game was wrong.
I wonder how Del Bosque & Co. will come back after this. But I think they can do it. #spain#brazil

Cage · Post by **Cage** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:43 pm

I don't watch football, but I saw this on reddit and figured you would get a chuckle out of it.

EDIT: Americans call it soccer, fuck it you know what I meant.

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:26 pm

lol John one thing is discuss whether Fred dove for the penalty or not and a totally different thing is put the final score under the refeere's account. Don't forget that Croatia actually didn't exactly scored, it was a own goal and ultimately bad luck. Modric/Rakitic controlled the game? u srs?

On a side note the Dutch squad revenge along with Robben's redemptive play was amazing. The top 1 goal up to now was Van Persie's head dive. Wish Falcao Garcia wasn't injured and Ibrahimovic qualified. Fuck Ribery.

Great games thus far, anyone watching Chile vs Aussies? Dat Bravo save. He would've saved both Oscar and Neymar's goals, An1. LoL

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:21 pm

cassinoroyale wrote:lol John one thing is discuss whether Fred dove for the penalty or not and a totally different thing is put the final score under the refeere's account. Don't forget that Croatia actually didn't exactly scored, it was a own goal and ultimately bad luck. Modric/Rakitic controlled the game? u srs?

On a side note the Dutch squad revenge along with Robben's redemptive play was amazing. The top 1 goal up to now was Van Persie's head dive. Wish Falcao Garcia wasn't injured and Ibrahimovic qualified. Fuck Ribery.

Great games thus far, anyone watching Chile vs Aussies? Dat Bravo save. He would've saved both Oscar and Neymar's goals, An1. LoL

haha cass, i knew you would react to that

. Fred Isn't a bad player and I'm sure he did not dive just for a penalty. But he's pretty large(185cm/85kg) and a big player does not dive that easy. Modric/Raktic did not control it the whole game, but for most time of the game they had control over it. Overall I think Croatia performed better than Brazil, but they did not score when they had the chance(that 50/50 situation with Julio Cesar and Olic was a close call)which Brazil managed to do(with a small help from the ref).

Van Persie's goal has to be one of the most beautiful headers I have seen. What a ball from Daley Blind(the leftback) who also assisted to Robben's goal. Blind's leftfoot is dangerous.

I watched Chile - Australia and really enjoyed Chile's game the first 30 minutes. Aussies was not able to hunt the ball all the time. Wonderful teamplay for Chile's first 2 goals.

Anyone else who saw Mexico - Cameroon?
I expected a good game from both team, but only Mexico was playing well today. Giovani Dos Santos had a great evening/day(whenever it was played local brazil time) and unfortunately the ref made awful calls. Rafael Marquez, jesus this guy can still make phenomenal key passes. Always enjoyed watching mexicans play football from the day my old football team played some youth team for one of the top tier teams in Mexico. Their football is fun to watch, but not to play against.

DinG · Post by **DinG** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:27 am

cassinoroyale wrote:lol John one thing is discuss whether Fred dove for the penalty or not and a totally different thing is put the final score under the refeere's account. Don't forget that Croatia actually didn't exactly scored, it was a own goal and ultimately bad luck. Modric/Rakitic controlled the game? u srs?

I think you can put a lot of blame on the referee for the result of that match. Up until that penalty Croatia had played every bit as well as Brazil had and Brazil did not look like scoring at any point(the 3rd goal came because Croatia were chasing). That is not to say that Brazil would not have scored because no one could predict that but he changed the entire context of the match by awarding that penalty, it was a shocking decision. Let's not even mention the contentious free kick that Cesar was given where Croatia ended up with the ball in the net, it was extremely soft and the keeper should have been stronger, they get way too much protection imo. On a sidenote I thought Oscar was the best player on the pitch that night.

Last night was hilarious, it looks like Mourinho was right to drop Casillas after all!

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:55 am

Not sure we watched the same match then DinG coz at that point Brazil already had tied the score and was playing better than Croatia. Let alone the fact that the penalty came when Brazil was pressing for the 2nd goal.The bit you talked about wasn't even argued by Croatia...

nhoj · Post by **nhoj** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:01 am

Anyone going to watch Uruguay v Costa Rica?

Uruguay (Possible, 4-4-2): Muslera; Pereira, Lugano, Godin, Caceres; Rios, Lodeiro, Stuani, Rodriguez; Forlan, Cavani.
Test: Suárez (knee).
Costa Rica (Possible, 5-4-1): Navas; Gamboa, Umana, Gonzalez, Acosta, Diaz; Bolanos, Borges, Tejeda; Campbell, Ruiz.

I hope Suárez will be able to play today, even without him they have put up a strong line up. Strong defense, Diego Godin have been a key player for Atletico Madrid last season and Maxi Pereira will be offensive on this rightside.
I had like to see Gastón Ramirez to start instead for Christian Stuani.
I'm not that familar with Costa Rica's squad, beside Celso Borges who play for the Swedish club AIK, Bryan Ruiz, Fulham and Joel Campbell, Arsenal FC.

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:35 am

Cass, i dunno what ur banging on about bro cos croatia were just as good as brazil if not better for most of the game, neymar was lucky to be still on the pitch after that cynical elbow, croatia had a fair goal disallowed and a dodgy pen conceded! the croat wingers looked dangerous all game and their defence looked solid with the exception of a bad goalie who cost them. dunno what match u were watching m8 but u defo had brazil-tinted glasses on

I'm gonna watch a bit of uruguay vs costa rica to scope out the opposition

hildebrand · Post by **hildebrand** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:52 am

Robben acting like he's a god. LOL.

hildebrand · Post by **hildebrand** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:53 am

ENGLAND ITALY 5:30 EST

LETS GO ENGLAND

cassinoroyale · Post by **cassinoroyale** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:45 pm

I'm not banging anything An1 I just begged to differ in about almost everything DinG said lol. I follow football throughout the calendar and it just lame seeing people who seems to watch football once in a while or when it's WC bashing or complaining about the match. Not saying that to you directly as England passion for football is as great as ours, that's why I am not even quoting a specific post. IMHO Croatia was superior the first 20 minutes of 1st half and after that the dominance alternated till the end. I'd say that a tie would've been more fair as the penalty was clearly dubius (I am sure we haven't seen other occasions like that right?! ehhh) but it's pointless to discuss. I'm not into Brazil's bandwagon locally I just hate seeing unilateral ignorance, be it based under media or not. I got your opinion since your first post so let's just agree to disagree, there are plenty of interesting matches going forward ie Costa Rica beating Uruguay for 3-1 lulz

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:50 pm

hahaha yeh man no worries ;D

mentally preparing myself now for england to be raped

An1maL · Post by **An1maL** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:00 pm

hildebrand wrote:Robben playing like he's a god. LOL.

FTFY

DinG · Post by **DinG** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:02 pm

cassinoroyale wrote:I'm not banging anything An1 I just begged to differ in about almost everything DinG said lol. I follow football throughout the calendar and it just lame seeing people who seems to watch football once in a while or when it's WC bashing or complaining about the match. Not saying that to you directly as England passion for football is as great as ours, that's why I am not even quoting a specific post. IMHO Croatia was superior the first 20 minutes of 1st half and after that the dominance alternated till the end. I'd say that a tie would've been more fair as the penalty was clearly dubius (I am sure we haven't seen other occasions like that right?! ehhh) but it's pointless to discuss. I'm not into Brazil's bandwagon locally I just hate seeing unilateral ignorance, be it based under media or not. I got your opinion since your first post so let's just agree to disagree, there are plenty of interesting matches going forward ie Costa Rica beating Uruguay for 3-1 lulz

I hope that was not aimed at me, someone that actually attends about 50 matches a season and has had a season ticket at Rangers since I was 4 years old, not to mention the fact that I watch nearly any game of football on the tv...

It is fine having a differing opinion, loads of people do in football. I just think you will find most of the world thought that Croatia were robbed that night if you ask anyone not from Brazil or read any actual reports on the match.

On a sidenote, I just lost 100 quid on Uruguay, good times!

Theworst · Post by **Theworst** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:44 pm

hildebrand wrote:Robben acting like he's a god. LOL.

Robert 'RobbaN' Dahlström is a god.

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