What Guy?

seanality · Post by **seanality** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:55 am

I think I want to play again. Message me on here.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:08 am

Still doing a 5/6-day split by muscle group?

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:15 am

Backs and bi's bro.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:20 am

Sears wrote:Backs and bi's bro.

Day 1: Chest and biceps
Day 2: Abs
Day 3: Chest and biceps
Day 4: Abs
Day 5 : Chest
Day 6: Biceps
Day 7: Abs

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:13 am

alex kirk wrote:
Sears wrote:Backs and bi's bro.
Day 1: Chest and biceps
Day 2: Abs
Day 3: Chest and biceps
Day 4: Abs
Day 5 : Chest
Day 6: Biceps
Day 7: Abs

So, I'm starting the SS program on Sunday. Wish me luck.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:25 am

scorch- wrote:So, I'm starting the SS program on Sunday. Wish me luck.

Rippetoe's?

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:12 am

scorch- wrote: So, I'm starting the SS program on Sunday. Wish me luck.

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:20 am

alex kirk wrote:
scorch- wrote:So, I'm starting the SS program on Sunday. Wish me luck.
Rippetoe's?

That one.

Rambizzle · Post by **Rambizzle** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:23 am

scorch- wrote:
alex kirk wrote:
scorch- wrote:So, I'm starting the SS program on Sunday. Wish me luck.
Rippetoe's?
That one.

It's pretty good. I like Madcow 5x5 also

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:28 am

I actually bought Rippetoe's SS book and it's fascinating. There's so much information in there, totally worth reading the 300 pages.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:13 am

I think Rippetoe's is the quintessential starting strength program. I think it's just the most well-revered for getting the initial, linear gains. Just stick with it as long as you're still gaining strength. Once you stop gaining, time for something else.

5x5 like Ricky mentioned, 5/3/1, Smolov, etc. More advanced training routines, higher frequency, a little more volume. You'll look like Kai Greene within 12 months, bro.

joeledmunds · Post by **joeledmunds** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:28 am

I'm so good at 1911, my threads have successful spinoffs.

Good luck, good player.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:33 am

Also: I haven't read the entire text, just the basics of the routine. But if Rip talks about nutrition at all, just ignore that shit. He's brilliant when it comes to training, but admits that his understanding of nutrition is crazy limited.

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:30 pm

http://scoobysworkshop.com/ any opinions on this dude? I don't know shit about routines, but I set up a custom routine through his website that I might start. I've been doing 400 pushups daily, with pullups mixed in every few days.

yay or nay on this? http://184.168.115.109/~oscar/wp.php?ag ... XzuY.email

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:42 pm

tr4gik wrote:http://scoobysworkshop.com/ any opinions on this dude? I don't know shit about routines, but I set up a custom routine through his website that I might start. I've been doing 400 pushups daily, with pullups mixed in every few days.

yay or nay on this? http://184.168.115.109/~oscar/wp.php?ag ... XzuY.email

No disrespect intended, but are you trolling?

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:47 pm

no not at all I've been doing pushups every day, and i figured i'd get some type of routine going, and i spotted this dudes website. I don't know anything about working besides the few things i googled which happen to bring me to this dudes site... :O

edit: I've never worked out my entire life minus playing sports in high school, but thats close to 9 years ago or so. even with what I've been doing, I noticed great results so I'm hooked.

british · Post by **british** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:48 pm

wb sean

get in touch with me soon

great rifle too

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:51 pm

tr4gik wrote:no not at all I've been doing pushups every day, and i figured i'd get some type of routine going, and i spotted this dudes website. I don't know anything about working besides the few things i googled which happen to bring me to this dudes site... :O

Scooby is a nice guy who legitimately tries to help people, but he spews so much misinformation it hurts. I mean, the fact that he's referring to DB rows as an exercise for lats hurts already, and that isn't even that big of a deal.

Do you have any equipment at your disposal or no? Dumbbells, gym, home workout set, bands, etc.? Or absolutely nothing?

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:52 pm

http://scoobysworkshop.com/nutrition/

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:54 pm

Dumbbells, and a pull up bar is all I have at my disposal atm.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:55 pm

Sears wrote:http://scoobysworkshop.com/nutrition/

Carb cycling on a bulk?

Lulz k.

tr4gik wrote:Dumbbells, and a pull up bar is all I have at my disposal atm.

How many? What weights?

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:57 pm

I have a bowflex dumbbell set that goes up to 52.5

scorch- · Post by **scorch-** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:57 pm

alex kirk wrote:Also: I haven't read the entire text, just the basics of the routine. But if Rip talks about nutrition at all, just ignore that shit. He's brilliant when it comes to training, but admits that his understanding of nutrition is crazy limited.

His nutrition advice is basically to eat more and sleep more and that if you're not getting stronger after X months, you're not doing the program. He doesn't go into macro breakdowns or anything like that other than the gram protein per pound bodyweight, so it's not all that helpful on what to eat.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:04 pm

tr4gik wrote:I have a bowflex dumbbell set that goes up to 52.5

Never listen to someone who has you hitting abs 2x per week and every other muscle group 1x per week. The routines that have you working each muscle group 1x per week are intended for people who do steroids because when you're stacking d-bol, insulin, growth hormone, testosterone, etc. you can get crazy gains from a single workout per week. For people who are natural (aka, you), your body will see gains from a single workout for 24-48 hours after that workout. After that 24-48 hours, you need to re-stimulate the muscles again. For people on steroids, this ain't an issue. This is a long way of saying: you need to hit each muscle group more than once per week. The people who say otherwise are typically really big dudes, and they're more often than not doing steroids of some kind. Or people trying to mimic those big dudes without a clue as to what the shit they're doing.

I would do a 3 day split of a full body routine, a 4 day split of upper/lower body, or a 4 day split of push/pull motions. It's up to you and how much you want to work out each week. It'd be better if you had a gym at your disposal, but you can make do with those for the time being.

scorch- wrote:His nutrition advice is basically to eat more and sleep more and that if you're not getting stronger after X months, you're not doing the program. He doesn't go into macro breakdowns or anything like that other than the gram protein per pound bodyweight, so it's not all that helpful on what to eat.

Good deal. Nice and simple. I like.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 pm

Oh the irony of all you nerds talking about lifting weights. Sears is the only real muscle man on this forum. Do the rest of you even lift? (looking at alex kirk)

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:30 pm

Jb_ wrote:Oh the irony of all you nerds talking about lifting weights. Sears is the only real muscle man on this forum. Do the rest of you even lift? (looking at alex kirk)

Sure do. Problem?

Also last I checked you need to dial in your diet, bro. Do you even nutrition?

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:49 pm

Appreciate the advice I'll look into a gym membership once I get a bit more knowledgeable on what I want to accomplish.

british · Post by **british** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:58 pm

just get a free counsel from a gym, there pretty knowledgeable there.

don't rely on alex kirk. If you do start getting big and people ask where your inspiration came from, do you really want to say some guy on a dod forum?

<3 soma

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:02 pm

If asked that question I would obviously lie, and say I had a flash of self inspiration, and went for it bro!

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:04 pm

british wrote:just get a free counsel from a gym, there pretty knowledgeable there.

don't rely on alex kirk. If you do start getting big and people ask where your inspiration came from, do you really want to say some guy on a dod forum?

<3 soma

I'd avoid personal trainers. Most of them spout total nonsense. You see them throwing people on Swiss balls and leg extensions. I don't think I've seen many personal trainers give a routine that relies primarily on compound movements. Most of them isolate to a gross extent.

Rely on me. They'll know it's credible.

@tr4gik - If you go for a gym membership, look at Scorch's post about Rippetoe's SS program. It's probably considered the quintessential program for beginners by one of the most revered trainers ever. It's a ridiculously simple routine, it has you in the gym 3x per week for ~45 minutes each time, and the gains you'll see are as good as what you'd see in probably any other program (assuming your diet is in check, of course).

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 pm

The gym membership would be solely to take advantage of there weights of course, I've already read enough horror stories about these so called personal trainers.

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:13 pm

tr4gik wrote:The gym membership would be solely to take advantage of there weights of course, I've already read enough horror stories about these so called personal trainers.

Good man. All you need is a squat rack, a bench, a barbell and the weights that go with it. Literally, you need no more equipment beyond those things.

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:30 pm

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4776524

dogfire · Post by **dogfire** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:38 pm

So this Mark Rippetoe guy recommends drinking up to a gallon of milk per day?

Sears · Post by **Sears** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:51 pm

And, for a good long list of auxiliary isolation stuff that you can do at high intensity (although I'm not a fan of this circuit as is written):

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/clay-ma ... dator.html

Honestly, the part I have the hardest time getting across to most people, especially beginners, is that jumping into the gym and doing a bunch of isolation training like a body builder isn't not only going make you look stupid, but also put you at risk of injury.

With most people I work with, I spend weeks teaching them proper squat/deadlift technique, and make sure they have a strong and stable core before we move onto anything else. Training to make yourself a bigger/faster/stronger athlete is a totally different process from body building, in which you are doing a lot of isolation (and steroids) to produce a desired aesthetic.

Now, you can go full-retard the other way too, and go crossfit style, but yeah, lets just not go there...

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:33 pm

This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.

Mino · Post by **Mino** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:37 pm

This thread didn't make two relevant posts until it got hi-jacked.

Pretty amazing.

tr4gik · Post by **tr4gik** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:38 pm

rolling around with dudes, fuck yeah brother!

taylor · Post by **taylor** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:41 pm

i have some bulgingly massive pythons and washboard abs with barbed wire tattoos around my right arm and i drive a 78 camaro with flames on the side of it

Marshall_D · Post by **Marshall_D** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:48 pm

muscle endurance imo

cK- · Post by **cK-** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:58 pm

GL SEAN!

mexicant · Post by **mexicant** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:20 pm

seanality wrote:I think I want to play again. Message me on here.

sup dude! i approve!

stile · Post by **stile** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:48 pm

tr4gik wrote:rolling around with dudes, fuck yeah brother!

stile · Post by **stile** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:49 pm

Jb_ wrote:This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.

except you're always playing l4d2!

kirk · Post by **kirk** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:06 am

Jb_ wrote:This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.

Depends on how you define "strength" and "conditioning." Cycling is the worlds most energy-taxing event. Weight training is the most pure form of strength training. That's why I do both for my strength and conditioning. Your goals are different than mine, but jujitsu is objectively less of a workout than what I do in terms of energy exerted.

(Pussy.)

ao_ · Post by **ao_** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:04 am

I have spent a lot of time trying different things in the weight room and realized the concepts are pretty basic. I always try to focus on the big lifts (squat, bench, deadlift, powerclean, etc) and try to do a lot of core strengthening as well as lower back (still considered part of the core). It is very rare that I do a bicep curl. I swear the gym that I workout at, the squat rack collects dust and goes untouched between the time which I use it.

Jb_ · Post by **Jb_** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:36 am

alex kirk wrote:
Jb_ wrote:This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.
Depends on how you define "strength" and "conditioning." Cycling is the worlds most energy-taxing event. Weight training is the most pure form of strength training. That's why I do both for my strength and conditioning. Your goals are different than mine, but jujitsu is objectively less of a workout than what I do in terms of energy exerted.

(Pussy.)

Pictures plz. You speak so much about diets and lifting, lets see what "the man" looks like.

sloth · Post by **sloth** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:44 pm

This thread looks promising.

A little more testosterone added to the mix and it will be truly sensational.

stile · Post by **stile** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:55 pm

alex kirk wrote:
Jb_ wrote:This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.
Depends on how you define "strength" and "conditioning." Cycling is the worlds most energy-taxing event. Weight training is the most pure form of strength training. That's why I do both for my strength and conditioning. Your goals are different than mine, but jujitsu is objectively less of a workout than what I do in terms of energy exerted.

(Pussy.)

Grappling may not be the best thing to do for strength gains, but it is the one of the best ways to learn how to use your whole body and work all your muscles. If having a strong core is one of the most important things, jiujitsu will give that to you.

You'd be surprised how many people get confused on how to do an elbow escape, roll over their shoulder, or go inverted. Like you said the goals are different, you want to lift weights and go ride a bike, I want to choke people for a living. It is only as hard as you train. I've never done anything that was harder than a jiujitsu match.

sloth · Post by **sloth** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:03 pm

alex kirk wrote:
Jb_ wrote:This is why I do juijitsu when I want a real workout. Its uses all muscle movements vs another human, you can't ask for any better strength and conditioning.
Depends on how you define "strength" and "conditioning." Cycling is the worlds most energy-taxing event. Weight training is the most pure form of strength training. That's why I do both for my strength and conditioning. Your goals are different than mine, but jujitsu is objectively less of a workout than what I do in terms of energy exerted.

(Pussy.)

I really hope you don't take yourself that seriously kirk.