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Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:39 am

Die hard with a Vengence is one of my top 5 favorite movies. It was just on some channel like 2 nights ago and I watched it~




3 gallon jug. 5 gallon jug. You need 4 gallons. Be precise~

Fill the 5 gallon jug. Pour it into the 3. Pour the 3 gallons out onto the ground. Pour the 2 from the 5 gallon jug into the 3. Fill the 5 gallon jug again...and pour it into the 3 gallon jug...leaving you 4 gallons!


chrysler commercials with eminem, solid tool for proving points.
I just like the commercial. However, like I said, Detroit was known as the Paris of the Midwest. You can do your own research on the music talent that's from there, the DIA, Maceys department store, ect ect. It was the symbol of the American middle class; the highest living standards in the history of the world. There really isn't any doubting that Detroit WAS a world class city. It wasn't "always a shithole".

It wasn't until the 70's with stagflation and the "oil shocks" while we transitioned to the dollar standard that Detroit fell into total hell. Suddenly, American manufactering was a crime, and we had to "globalize" ie dollarize the world. 40 years later, and America has been gutted. The ONLY thing keeping it standing is the role as the reserve currency and financial asset bubbles---oh and wars of aggression.


Michigan is having a resurgence in manufactering because the dollar is being devalued to fix imbalances in the world economy. Of course, these types of devaluations are harsh on a society....as the daily American is finding out now. Energy, food, education, healthcare prices through the roof.....living standards dropping deliberately at a slow pace. The only thing keeping this from being a full blown great depression is the U.s government injecting 1 trillion+ of newly printed money into the economy every year via treasuries. Money is debt and debt is money. If there was no debt, there would be no money.

Re: A storm is coming

by Sym » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:16 am

ThatsRight wrote:

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The report analyzed Michigan’s economic performance and showed that Michigan’s job losses from July 2000 to July 2008 percentage-wise are worse than U.S. job losses suffered during first eight years of the U.S. Great Depression from 1929-1937. It also showed that Michigan has had worse gross domestic production (GDP) growth from 2000 to 2007 than did the United States during the Great Depression era of 1929-1936. 
http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/13750 ... depression


:lol: :lol: :lol:

There really just isn't any way you could look at reality or any data anywhere and come to the conclusion that things aren't bad.

Notice that Dark Green State Called Michigan.

[youtube]BI7iel2Ypyc&feature=related[/youtube]
A good video, but it's out of date by a year+ and the map key has changed to show a higher upper limit (14%+ as opposed to 10%+ in the video)

To see the updated maps
2006-2010 : http://www.bls.gov/lau/maps/cnseries.pdf
2011 : http://www.bls.gov/lau/maps/twmcort.pdf

As you can see most districts in Michigan have moved one bracket down, and detroit(metro detroit) in particular has been trending down since '09->'10. Data that you can see for yourself here: http://www.bls.gov/lau/tables.htm

It's still 3% worse than '05 was, but it's 4% better than '09, which was the worst. The numbers now suggest it's not as bad as your video.

Hopefully January will have good numbers as well, which should be out soon, I don't remember when.

Re: A storm is coming

by lowcarb » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:24 pm

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Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:37 pm

chrysler commercials with eminem, solid tool for proving points.

Re: A storm is coming

by Sears » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:50 pm

moosh wrote:German version of thatsright.

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Is that the guy from Diehard With A Vengeance?

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:26 am

Pretty sure Detroit has ALWAYS been a giant poop fragrant city.
No it wasn't. At one time it was the 4th largest city in the United States and went by the name "The Paris of the Midwest". The music, the artwork, theators, ect. It was the manufactering capital of the world. The symbol of American military and economic dominance.

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Re: A storm is coming

by james- » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:15 pm

Pretty sure Detroit has ALWAYS been a giant poop fragrant city.

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All of your arguments are void.

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:19 pm

I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different.
The thumb is doing well. My dad actually works as an f&i manager at a car dealership out that way in Caro and he cannot believe the amount of business they do out in that area with farmers specifically.
Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it.
Of course. The actual CITIES of places like Detroit, Flint, and Saginaw have all but collapsed entirely. But for example, Midland is doing quite well with Dow Chemical. They pump alot of money into the area to try and attract good talent. I actually have worked 2 internships in Midland, and once I'm done being a slave bitch in public accounting, I would consider moving back into industry there. I'm not as familiar with the west side of the state, but I know most of the college towns like Mt pleasant or Ann Arbor are booming...."automation ally" is well off and affluent. It's pretty much feast or famine. People with money still have it...the people without are suffering and have little hope for any recovery.
I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?
I'm positive about my position. Like I said, if you're young, have no strings, and are educated in technology, finance, or health then there are plenty of opportunities. All I was saying is that many people were stuck in the transition between "too young to retire and too old to start over". They lost their livelyhoods taken overnight and it's not coming back.

I'm just saying I wouldn't under estimate the problems. In the town I grew up, you can drive across the bridge and literally see miles and miles of empty buildings. Factories that once had 10,000 cars in the parking lot, are sitting empty. It looks like the end of the world. There was a time where all those people had a middle class life style, and made good money and pensions...the bars were packed, they bought cabins up north....sent their kids to school. Now, there's NOTHING left.
Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:07 pm

bewton wrote:I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different. Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it. The decline of the auto industry has no doubt been a major factor in the downfall of these cities. I see it as a transition period though, the auto industry is trying to restructure itself to become competitive again.

I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?
You wouldn't know him from DoD, just from GotFrag! ThatsRight, and if I'm not mistaken, he lives in the Detroit area or close to it.

I think I'll finally be escaping Michigan for good in a few months~

Re: A storm is coming

by bewton » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:50 am

I live in the thumb area where agriculture and tourism (2 of Michigan's largest industries) dominate the area. So I guess my perception is a little different. Detroit is absolutely depressing, I was down there a month ago and could not believe the crumbling buildings. I live 30 minutes from Saginaw and Flint, and they also have some absolutely horrible areas...They also have some great areas where businesses are thriving and the areas are expanding because of it. The decline of the auto industry has no doubt been a major factor in the downfall of these cities. I see it as a transition period though, the auto industry is trying to restructure itself to become competitive again.

I guess I was a little off about saying things aren't that bad. That is some surprising analytical data that you posted reh. Times may be bad now but Michigan is known for having some of the best workers in the country and manufacturing companies will take advantage of this eventually. Isn't it depressing dwelling on all these negatives? Panic is never a good way to handle any situation. Trying to improve things that are in your direct control is a better way of spending time imo.

Not trying to attack you, just telling you how I view things. Reh who are you btw. dod alias?

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:36 pm

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The report analyzed Michigan’s economic performance and showed that Michigan’s job losses from July 2000 to July 2008 percentage-wise are worse than U.S. job losses suffered during first eight years of the U.S. Great Depression from 1929-1937. It also showed that Michigan has had worse gross domestic production (GDP) growth from 2000 to 2007 than did the United States during the Great Depression era of 1929-1936. 
http://www.reliableplant.com/Read/13750 ... depression


:lol: :lol: :lol:

There really just isn't any way you could look at reality or any data anywhere and come to the conclusion that things aren't bad.

Notice that Dark Green State Called Michigan.

[youtube]BI7iel2Ypyc&feature=related[/youtube]

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:27 pm

bewton wrote:
I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok
LOL?

The state is basically bankrupt, and the bankrupt cities are being taken over by the bankrupt state....the roads are crumbling...schools at the k-12 level just got slammed...tuition at state universities skyrocketed...unemployment is 30% in Detroit....police forces are being cut back....the largest companies here just went bankrupt.

You'd have to be living in a dream world to not think things are bad in Michigan. Half the state looks like a war torn nation. Sure, things are doing better in the more affluent areas and for the highly educated in tech/finance/health...but....now would be a pretty good time to panic.

Re: A storm is coming

by Sears » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:19 pm

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Re: A storm is coming

by Airnick15 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:17 pm

bewton wrote:I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.
Just because it doesn't affect you or people you know doesn't mean that life is horrible for some people. I can relate to the feeling that you are describing because I've had a job since 2007 and haven't felt the effects of the recession at all, but I think the statement is marginalizing a lot of the hardships people are facing.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:13 pm

bewton wrote:I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.
Not if you're at or below the poverty line and unemployed.

Re: A storm is coming

by bewton » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:03 pm

I live in michigan and I really don't see things being as horrible as people make them out to be. Even with the collapse of the auto industry. people need to stop with the panic everything will be ok.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:10 pm

CharlieGiteau wrote:Apparently my standards are too low; sorry, I'll be in my corner sulking...
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To your credit, if you add up all 7 women then you'd be far beyond a 10!

Re: A storm is coming

by lolinus » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:04 pm

Does the Iranian subs have the Shkval 2 or do they have their own shit?
Or are they closer to the Mk-48 ones?

Wouldn't be fun to face a submarine armed with Shkval 2's............(not saying the other torpedoes is unharmable w/e), but i heard the shkval 2's are pretty sick.

Re: A storm is coming

by CharlieGiteau » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:50 pm

alex kirk wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:Not one of them are even remotely ugly. +rep
Easy, white knight. I got this. From left to right:

1) Her face surface area to hair mass ratio is far too small. Right calf way too undefined. 6/10 at best. Hair cut + calf raises to reach 6.5/10 status.
2) Right boob too saggy, and she has stupid shit in her hair to make it stupid and curly. Should have mimicked girl #1 by squishing her boob as to make it look perkier. 5.5/10.
3) Strong discoloring on her left knee, strong doll face, strong dark roots, strong roll in her middle back. 5/10.
4) Strand of hair is not in place, sadistic smile, thighs touching too much. 7/10, probably because the lighting is mediocre.
5) Too short, pot belly, gross nails. 6/10.
6) What is going on with her stomach? It's unproportional. Suck it in, sister. Making a stupid face. Her cheek and nose are too sharp. 5.5/10.
7) Who let #3's little brother in the picture? 4/10, because I'm feeling generous.
Apparently my standards are too low; sorry, I'll be in my corner sulking...
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Re: A storm is coming

by Yaso » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:21 pm

Reh wrote:
So people are supposed to ignore the fact that he's a douche bag and continue to be nice to him? Circular logic is round.

It means not to repeatidly come into threads you aren't interested in. You don't have to read every post or thread or anything at all.

You're like the person who doesn't like the food at a restaurant, but then comes in every day and complains they don't like the food. Go to a different restaurant.
How is that even remotely related to what I said? I wasn't the one in here arguing with you as I have no opinion on the matter. All I saw was a douche bag being such and used what tools were available to me, i.e. mass negging.

Feel free to do it to me as well if you deem it necessary.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:07 pm

CharlieGiteau wrote:Not one of them are even remotely ugly. +rep
Easy, white knight. I got this. From left to right:

1) Her face surface area to hair mass ratio is far too small. Right calf way too undefined. 6/10 at best. Hair cut + calf raises to reach 6.5/10 status.
2) Right boob too saggy, and she has stupid shit in her hair to make it stupid and curly. Should have mimicked girl #1 by squishing her boob as to make it look perkier. 5.5/10.
3) Strong discoloring on her left knee, strong doll face, strong dark roots, strong roll in her middle back. 5/10.
4) Strand of hair is not in place, sadistic smile, thighs touching too much. 7/10, probably because the lighting is mediocre.
5) Too short, pot belly, gross nails. 6/10.
6) What is going on with her stomach? It's unproportional. Suck it in, sister. Making a stupid face. Her cheek and nose are too sharp. 5.5/10.
7) Who let #3's little brother in the picture? 4/10, because I'm feeling generous.

Re: A storm is coming

by lolinus » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:02 pm

I like facebook.

Re: A storm is coming

by CharlieGiteau » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:01 pm

Not one of them are even remotely ugly. +rep

Re: A storm is coming

by lolinus » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:00 pm

alex kirk wrote:
CharlieGiteau wrote:
lolinus wrote: What ship class are you on?
That's classified; if he told you, the military would have to nuke Sweden.
That'd be the greatest death toll of all previous deaths in the entire world for all time.

(1 Swedish woman = 10 million normal people)

huh?

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Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:15 am

So people are supposed to ignore the fact that he's a douche bag and continue to be nice to him? Circular logic is round.

It means not to repeatidly come into threads you aren't interested in. You don't have to read every post or thread or anything at all.

You're like the person who doesn't like the food at a restaurant, but then comes in every day and complains they don't like the food. Go to a different restaurant.
Honestly doesn't make it any less scary when they attack. And when sonar loses one of their subs... -_-
Just think how scared they are in their oudated American coffin.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:01 am

CharlieGiteau wrote:
lolinus wrote: What ship class are you on?
That's classified; if he told you, the military would have to nuke Sweden.
That'd be the greatest death toll of all previous deaths in the entire world for all time.

(1 Swedish woman = 10 million normal people)

Re: A storm is coming

by CharlieGiteau » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:35 am

lolinus wrote: What ship class are you on?
That's classified; if he told you, the military would have to nuke Sweden.

Re: A storm is coming

by lolinus » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:17 am

moosh wrote:
unpro wrote:i dont think iran has anything larger than a destroyer, maybe even frigate.

irans real threat comes from the shahab missles it has.
Honestly doesn't make it any less scary when they attack. And when sonar loses one of their subs... -_-
What ship class are you on?

Re: A storm is coming

by stile » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:36 am

is reh thatsright? I defended him??!?!?!? Oh god the world really is ending in 2012.

Re: A storm is coming

by james- » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:12 am

I'm sure you'll get the job as long as you name the next big one the m394-cornhole buster.

Re: A storm is coming

by scorch- » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:21 am

BLU-82 "Jungle Buster"

Who gets to name these things? Is that a job that I can apply for?

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:53 pm

Re: A storm is coming

by Yaso » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:42 pm

unpro wrote:also, hes always debated like this. thatsright is seemingly incapable of not insulting people. take that as known fact, ignore and be reasonable. he tends to go further into decent debate language the longer a debate goes on, especially if you keep it nice and ignore his jabs.

ps: im done with this part of the discussion now, back to original topic. im being entirely to nice to the guy.
So people are supposed to ignore the fact that he's a douche bag and continue to be nice to him? Circular logic is round.

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:53 pm

i dont think iran has anything larger than a destroyer, maybe even frigate.

irans real threat comes from the shahab missles it has.

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:30 pm

It's graphs like that that really put the absurdity of it all into context.

Iran's navy in a menace....yet the U.s navy has more tonnage than the next 13 nations combined---many of those are allies with just about 0% chance of conflict. A naval/airwar in the straight of Hormez would be a blood bath. Iran is no more of a "threat" militarily than Iraq was, but of course, both are/were huge economic threats.

Iran can't build nuclear weapons, but the United States has built 67,500 since 1945.
http://www.brookings.edu/projects/archi ... ns/50.aspx

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:06 pm

alex kirk wrote:
Reh wrote:It looks to me like the Iranian's are planning to take over New York City.
False.

It shows that the NYPD is planning to create nuclear weapons.

mayors for WMDs

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:02 pm

also, hes always debated like this. thatsright is seemingly incapable of not insulting people. take that as known fact, ignore and be reasonable. he tends to go further into decent debate language the longer a debate goes on, especially if you keep it nice and ignore his jabs.

ps: im done with this part of the discussion now, back to original topic. im being entirely to nice to the guy.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Reh wrote:It looks to me like the Iranian's are planning to take over New York City.
False.

It shows that the NYPD is planning to create nuclear weapons.

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:58 pm

alex kirk wrote:Image

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/04/the_gro ... singleton/

Any credit to this? Because if this is true, the NYPD has a larger budget than Iran's military. I'll wait for someone more knowledgeable than myself on these matters to comment :D

It looks to me like the Iranian's are planning to take over New York City.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:57 pm

Reh wrote:
My posts were described as "brainwashed". Thats when i stop caring about feelings.
Brainwashed: a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas.

People in the military are taught to follow orders no matter what. It's not about you. The individual is given up and you represent something bigger. Ultimately you are formed to act, dress, and think a certain way. You even said above that you trust your leaders. The Navy slogan is "a global force for good".

It's not just America who does this. It's every country.

When the U.s rounds up Japanese...it's a nice little camp to help them.
When the U.s slaughters a race of Indians...they show pilgrims smiling at a table sharing corn.
"the unprovoked" attack by the Japanese...was provoked.
"operation Iraqi Freedom".
When the Americans rebelled against the British empire, it was justified. When the Iraqi's rebel against an American empire occupation, they're terrible rebels engaging in horrific gorilla warfare. When Nazi Germany took Poland and Austria...it's horrible....but America took California, Texas, and tons of islands. It's just the fun old wild west.
Countries getting nuclear weapons is unacceptable, but the United States created, actually used, and threatened to use them to destroy the world for half a century.
The U.s has routinely used assinations, rigged elections, and overthrew governments we didn't like even when they won legitimently, while at the same time touting democracy.
The Us has been involved in multiple wars the last decade....what if China had engaged in these conflicts instead or Russia? They would be branded as out of control.

Things are always framed in a different way, which could basically be considered propaganda. We're really no better or worse than any other empire throughout history. And yes, I consider a large number of people to be brainwashed into thinking that we do nothing wrong and are just a constant welcomed leader around the world. We do a lot of good, but the list of bad is staggering.

You can disagree, but that's my opinion.
To be fair, it seems moosh has acknowledged that America has done a lot of wrong in the world. It doesn't sound like he's remotely ignorant to that fact.

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:57 pm

im just saying, if people(and i never called anyone by name on insults) are going to insult one person, dont be upset when he does it back.

yes, hes a pain in the ass with how he debates, but hes at least providing a debate with evidence to support it(badly giving said evidence at times, but evidence nonetheless), something you guys arent.

Re: A storm is coming

by ThatsRight » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:55 pm

My posts were described as "brainwashed". Thats when i stop caring about feelings.
Brainwashed: a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas.

People in the military are taught to follow orders no matter what. It's not about you. The individual is given up and you represent something bigger. Ultimately you are formed to act, dress, and think a certain way. You even said above that you trust your leaders. The Navy slogan is "a global force for good".

It's not just America who does this. It's every country.

When the U.s rounds up Japanese...it's a nice little camp to help them.
When the U.s slaughters a race of Indians...they show pilgrims smiling at a table sharing corn.
"the unprovoked" attack by the Japanese...was provoked.
"operation Iraqi Freedom".
When the Americans rebelled against the British empire, it was justified. When the Iraqi's rebel against an American empire occupation, they're terrible rebels engaging in horrific gorilla warfare. When Nazi Germany took Poland and Austria...it's horrible....but America took California, Texas, and tons of islands. It's just the fun old wild west.
Countries getting nuclear weapons is unacceptable, but the United States created, actually used, and threatened to use them to destroy the world for half a century.
The U.s has routinely used assinations, rigged elections, and overthrew governments we didn't like even when they won legitimently, while at the same time touting democracy.
The Us has been involved in multiple wars the last decade....what if China had engaged in these conflicts instead or Russia? They would be branded as out of control.

You could literally go on for days.



Things are always framed in a different way, which could basically be considered propaganda. We're really no better or worse than any other empire throughout history. And yes, I consider a large number of people to be brainwashed into thinking that we do nothing wrong and are just a constant welcomed leader around the world. We do a lot of good, but the list of bad is staggering.


You can disagree, but that's my opinion.

Re: A storm is coming

by kirk » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:54 pm

Image

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/04/the_gro ... singleton/

Any credit to this? Because if this is true, the NYPD has a larger budget than Iran's military. I'll wait for someone more knowledgeable than myself on these matters to comment :D

Re: A storm is coming

by unpro » Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:06 pm

did you neg anyone for insulting him?

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