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ao_ wrote:Kevin even though we have been best friends for the last month and a half or so, I would say I have to disagree. I actually find the hltv models less distracting than the normal animation, especially when sniping. That being said, I am a little perturbed to find out our team is now harboring two cheaters. One, a highly illegal rater and now someone using weapon models to give himself the competitive advantage in main...

You're a jerk I hate you. jk<3u. Also, doesn't that mean we have three cheaters? A filthy rating bastard, and Matt and I have both admitted to using hltv models. On a more serious matter, you being less distracted by them is a personal opinion. I don't notice weapon changes at all - but that's just me. Just for you, Andrew, I'll remove them for this next match.

cassinoroyale wrote:We assume we're all legit peers

On a somewhat related note did anybody ever find the fabled HLTV model pack with all the weapons included? Like ones the stoss and mp40 on it? I don't really ever use HLTV models because I feel I play better without them but they are fun to use in pubs to change it up every now and then.

acetamino wrote:all default models / everything stock is stored in the day of defeat.gcf or gfc whatever.

the folders inside your day of defeat/dod are a place to add custom files that would overwrite the gfc/gcf whatever.

This is how custom files work with steam hl1 games. All of the default files are stored in the .gcf, which is automatically checked for consistency when you start the game. Any changes to your .gcf cause steam to repair the file, so you don't have to worry about what's inside of the .gcf, only the files in the folders that DoD/HL uses to customize your mod. If there was a standardized set of HLTV models, you COULD allow those if you wanted to by creating md5 hashes of the files and checking the hashes of the files on each user's computer, but that could cause a significant performance hit on older systems as generating hashes can take a lot of cpu cycles.

Miller` wrote:So delete the default model and rename the hltv model to default model's name?

Haha! Hope you're not being srs because the checker analyze the consistency of the .mdl file as well (aka size / if it's the default .mdl of the .gcf steam folder).

mogers wrote:I completely understand why HLTV models are going away. However, wouldn't a translucent weapon model show up in screenshots..? Or can you toggle weapon models in game?

Do we dispute everyone these days? No. We assume we're all legit peers and don't dispute unless we are talking about ex-cheaters (as if they stopped cheating...). Like I've said before, these HLTV models are low potential infractions. But infractions nonetheless as they're custom game files are forbidden to use. While HLTV models can be taken as something that makes you screen smoother, there are others who clearly brings up advantage to it's users. And you can't switch up models, textures or sprites while the game is open - it crashes the hl.exe.

I completely understand why HLTV models are going away. However, wouldn't a translucent weapon model show up in screenshots..? Or can you toggle weapon models in game?

So delete the default model and rename the hltv model to default model's name?

so what's the problem? it's pretty much the same as changing your crosshair no?

hildebrand wrote:As a person who has never used these HLTV models, please explain what they do to you?

it basically eliminates the animation when switching between your primary weapon and secondary weapon. There is still a delay to shoot though.

As a person who has never used these HLTV models, please explain what they do to you?

acetamino wrote:fuck I thought people were smarter than this. not an attack at you hobbler, but just a community that has been playing this long has to know some stuff.

I'm almost certain all default models / everything stock is stored in the day of defeat.gcf or gfc whatever.

the folders inside your day of defeat/dod are a place to add custom files that would overwrite the gfc/gcf whatever.

All files have to have the same name as the default materials so the game runs properly.

any model that is considered illegal ( ANY CUSTOM GUN MODEL - there is no way to tell the difference by just reading the sprite name. again refer to my example; v_k98.mdl can be an hltv model or a translucent model) will be detected because it is in your dod folder where you add your customizations that overwrite the gfc/gcf thing.

Ya that explains it, thanks. I was under the impression that they were using a more advanced method for determining which models were being used (actually comparing the files to the original, which I have no idea if it's possible within the constraints of hl1 addons).

fuck I thought people were smarter than this. not an attack at you hobbler, I just didnt see all this backlash coming about HLTV models. Unfortunately HLTV models are a casualty to the war against people with illegal files. There is NO WAY around enabling HLTV models, but looking for other illegal gun models. NO way. NO WAY. NO. WAY.

I'm almost certain all default models / everything stock is stored in the day of defeat.gcf or gfc whatever.

the folders inside your day of defeat/dod are a place to add custom files that would overwrite the gfc/gcf whatever.

All files have to have the same name as the default materials so the game runs properly.

any model that is considered illegal ( ANY CUSTOM GUN MODEL - there is no way to tell the difference by just reading the sprite name. again refer to my example; v_k98.mdl can be an hltv model or a translucent model) will be detected because it is in your dod folder where you add your customizations that overwrite the gfc/gcf thing.

If I am correct, it checks for file consistency. This means if you have any custom models for guns, any custom sprites, pretty much anything that isnt default except for map models it will block them and stop you from connecting.

acetamino wrote:Yeah so people understand:

-if you have a HLTV model of a kar in your sprites folder it will read v_k98.mdl(or something like that).
-If you have an invisible kar in your sprites folder it will read v_k98.mdl.


MAKE SENSE?

In order to enforce default models HLTV models have to go.

So it just checks if you have the model in your folder instead of comparing it against the default?

Yeah so people understand:

-if you have a HLTV model of a kar in your sprites folder it will read v_k98.mdl(or something like that).
-If you have an invisible kar in your sprites folder it will read v_k98.mdl.


MAKE SENSE?

In order to enforce default models HLTV models have to go.

It wasn't my choice not to, several people were against the idea.

I think ya'll are missing the point here: no matter what model you have, its name has be the same of the default model. That being said, there is no way to differ an 'harmless' HLTV model from a translucid, coloured or even ones with different animations. For the sake of having a more organized league, with less spaces for smart people taking advantage of modified shit, we are banning them. Everyone here agreed that the HLTV models does only make your screen cleaner, hence going back to it shouldn't be difficult. Maybe the approach had a bit of grumpiness but all in all, having this anti cheat / checker working is something to help the community and intended to improve competition. And just jump into he Matt's pool, where the majority of the voters don't use them. Just chill the fuck out.

And Ricky, you should've implement STA way before. Having more leagues in parallel, in different days, makes the game stronger in a sense of allowing people to play matches on a different day than sunday. I bet we have people here that can't make sundays but would play again if they had a league to play during the week. Think about it you fucking anarchist!

Rambizzle wrote:

Sp3c-BuLLeT wrote:

Rambizzle wrote:fuck bullet

Sp3c-BuLLeT wrote:

Rambizzle wrote:fuck bullet

Rambizzle wrote:fuck bullet

Daeo wrote: Considering this is a dead game and they have already stated there will not be any anti-cheat program coming anytime soon it was a stab at defiance. Sorry you are not with the in crowd. Also i have been in and out of this game for multiple years on multiple teams and you have always been trash at this game, don't start talking big because you are upset.

HLTV models are ruled illegal, end of discussion cry all you want. They found a way to enforce it and instead of suspending everyone who uses them they gave people a chance to fix the issue without starting a fucking riot. You dont like it fuck off, oh wait you are already long gone n washed up. Cya in a pub brah

I was bad, and I've maintained that stauts throughout my DoD career. I really don't think I could qualify as washed up. I just realized you're also pretty fucking bad. Don't throw stones, bro.

PS: and by bro, I mean never my fucking bro, bro.

Sp3c-BuLLeT wrote:

Daeo wrote:Still never got an answer btw, does this model addon solve the sound pack "exploit"

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but the server add-on can verify the integrity of the sound files as well if that is what you are wondering.

well i know of sound pack of love crap that was passed around ages ago, guess it contained sound files that allowed you to hear things louder. increased the volume of things happening around you. good to know that it will make sure all sound files are up to date.

Daeo wrote:Still never got an answer btw, does this model addon solve the sound pack "exploit"

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but the server add-on can verify the integrity of the sound files as well if that is what you are wondering.

Rambizzle wrote:

Daeo wrote:Maybe i'm just an idiot but i don't really see what the problem is. We are finally getting addon's to help make the game an even playing field, it has to start somewhere. If this is the reaction to getting addon to fix models, just wait tell they release an anti-cheat addon.

If you can't handle the orig models dont play, or go to another league. How i see it.

Still never got an answer btw, does this model addon solve the sound pack "exploit"

Anti-cheat clients were used in CEVO and CAL, pls go.

Also is this you?



Myself and a few other people have already stated that HLTV models do not give you ANY advantage over someone using standard models. If your DOD skills are anything like your reading comprehension skills, I'd actually advise the admins to allow you to cheat.

Considering this is a dead game and they have already stated there will not be any anti-cheat program coming anytime soon it was a stab at defiance. Sorry you are not with the in crowd. Also i have been in and out of this game for multiple years on multiple teams and you have always been trash at this game, don't start talking big because you are upset.

HLTV models are ruled illegal, end of discussion cry all you want. They found a way to enforce it and instead of suspending everyone who uses them they gave people a chance to fix the issue without starting a fucking riot. You dont like it fuck off, oh wait you are already long gone n washed up. Cya in a pub brah

Daeo wrote:Maybe i'm just an idiot but i don't really see what the problem is. We are finally getting addon's to help make the game an even playing field, it has to start somewhere. If this is the reaction to getting addon to fix models, just wait tell they release an anti-cheat addon.

If you can't handle the orig models dont play, or go to another league. How i see it.

Still never got an answer btw, does this model addon solve the sound pack "exploit"

Anti-cheat clients were used in CEVO and CAL, pls go.

Also, is this you?



In reference to your comment, "a plugin that finally evens the playing field"; Myself and a few other people have already stated that HLTV models do not give you ANY advantage over someone using standard models. If your DOD skills are anything like your reading comprehension skills, I'd actually advise the admins to allow you to cheat.

They could have an approved set of HLTV models and allow them to bypass the plugin.

Maybe i'm just an idiot but i don't really see what the problem is. We are finally getting addon's to help make the game an even playing field, it has to start somewhere. If this is the reaction to getting addon to fix models, just wait tell they release an anti-cheat addon.

If you can't handle the orig models dont play, or go to another league. How i see it.

Still never got an answer btw, does this model addon solve the sound pack "exploit"

Rambizzle wrote:We have a league system coded and ready to go, we just never released it because we didn't think the community was big enough/active enough for two different leagues. But, if TPG wants to act like their the only option and start pushing bullshit on people, know that there is an alternative.

Fuck defiance, fuck bullet, Narc is cool, and fuck pat (this only applies if you're still an admin), I'm out.

Good luck. I wish you well in your endeavors.

Like I told defiance before.. Euros, we have always been allowed to use them. Until now in TPG. But we adjust. Like we did with spawnnading and spawnshooting. Even though I'm the Euro's TPG admin, I'm gonna give my honest opinion about this, with no disrespect to TPG or defiance. If these models are considered giving you an advantage over here, I'm gonna buy it.
But before TPG, I had them for 5years. And I didn't use all of the models. I kept the default garand and kar model.
I think stealth is right when he says that it doesn't give you an advantage. It doesn't bring up your crosshair any faster. Or in any other way makes you a better player. You can customize this game in so many ways that hltv models shouldn't be any difference. And just because a rule always has been the same, doesn't mean that it's right. Our society constantly keeps changing rules to make everything better. And the game is so dead that we could adjust it within reason so that the players that still are left can enjoy it in their own way.

You don't change everything about your DoD just to get an advantage. You change your GUI and scoreboard cause of how it looks. For me its the same with HLTV models. I hate when that arm comes up and starts swinging the weapons up and down. I dont need that. I just want my weapon.

Back in the days i know some people in counter-strike played with no weapon at all cause they wanna maintain their focus on the crosshair. Which is the same case here, for me atleast.
When you switch fast from kar - pistol - kar after you shoot.. You dont see the animation of the pistol, cause it gets interupted. If we were to say that all players have to look at the animation we shouldn't allow them to fastswitch either. Let the gun reload then.

Since the DoD-community is so small these days I feel it's importent that we listen to what everyone has to say, what to improve and what not. Just to keep the game like we want it, so everyone keeps playing it.
If 80% of the community doesn't care if players use hltv-models. Then why force them to stop using them?
Don't come and say "So what's next, we are gonna allow wallhack cause 80% are okay with it?"... within reason.

Even though I've been using HLTV models myself, I tried being objective. And like I said. I'm fine with sticking to the old rules, and adjust like a lot of us have. But I would bring the models back if they were allowed.

The hltv model i miss the most, is the grenade ones. Which I can't really say improves my nading skills.

We have a league system coded and ready to go, we just never released it because we didn't think the community was big enough/active enough for two different leagues. But, if TPG wants to act like their the only option and start pushing bullshit on people, know that there is an alternative.

Fuck defiance, fuck bullet, Narc is cool, and fuck pat (this only applies if you're still an admin), I'm out.

stealthlol wrote:

Sp3c-BuLLeT wrote:While HLTV Models offer a minor advantage (and they do offer an advantage, because you don't have animation to interfere with your vision)

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If HLTV models didn't give you any advantage at all you probably would have no desire to use them.

Have you used HLTV models before? To say they give you an advantage because you don't see the motion is nonsense. Your gun doesn't shoot faster. It doesn't change your recoil, your aim, your ability to see through other sprites. As Ricky said earlier, it makes the game look smoother to some people.

And to the people comparing these models to other scripts. Strafe/recoil scripts are for people who are bad at this game. HLTV models are for people who like the way it looks. Like having a dot crosshair versus a small plus. Or that big ass default crosshair.

Kevin even though we have been best friends for the last month and a half or so, I would say I have to disagree. I actually find the hltv models less distracting than the normal animation, especially when sniping. That being said, I am a little perturbed to find out our team is now harboring two cheaters. One, a highly illegal rater and now someone using weapon models to give himself the competitive advantage in main...

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

stealthlol wrote:Solid explanation. Super helpful.

The server add-on compares the files on the server to those on the player's machine. You can't have two files with the same name in the same folder on the server, so either everyone would have to have default models or everyone would have to have HLTV models.

defiance wrote:

hobbler wrote:

defiance wrote: It doesn't differentiate between default, hltv, and anything else. Just default and anything else.

Would it be possible to add hltv models to the list of acceptable models? I mean how does it differentiate default model with anything else anyways?

No.

Solid explanation. Super helpful.

shoguNtw wrote:stuuuuupiddddd

Pretty much this.

stuuuuupiddddd

hobbler wrote:

defiance wrote: It doesn't differentiate between default, hltv, and anything else. Just default and anything else.

Would it be possible to add hltv models to the list of acceptable models? I mean how does it differentiate default model with anything else anyways?

No.

defiance wrote: It doesn't differentiate between default, hltv, and anything else. Just default and anything else.

Would it be possible to add hltv models to the list of acceptable models? I mean how does it differentiate default model with anything else anyways?

Sp3c-BuLLeT wrote:While HLTV Models offer a minor advantage (and they do offer an advantage, because you don't have animation to interfere with your vision)

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If HLTV models didn't give you any advantage at all you probably would have no desire to use them.

Have you used HLTV models before? To say they give you an advantage because you don't see the motion is nonsense. Your gun doesn't shoot faster. It doesn't change your recoil, your aim, your ability to see through other sprites. As Ricky said earlier, it makes the game look smoother to some people.

And to the people comparing these models to other scripts. Strafe/recoil scripts are for people who are bad at this game. HLTV models are for people who like the way it looks. Like having a dot crosshair versus a small plus. Or that big ass default crosshair.

defiance wrote:it was v_grenade.mdl or whatever, for for him.

I'm pretty sure that's the model for the allies grenade.

defiance wrote:If i could ban people off of forum posts, ryan would have been banned 2 days ago.

Based on a post that people think is a joke? If I say, "I cheated in a 12man. HaHaHa!" how are you going to ban me without evidence?


And finally,

Yaso wrote:All I got from this was, use HLTV models until the end of the season.

Rambizzle wrote:So while we're at it; ban custom crosshairs too, or designate one for everyone to use. Also, lets not forget about the custom score board, sensitivity, gamma, brightness, custom key bindings, etc... These are all things we "tweak" to our liking that give you no real advantage over the next guy.

Add cl_particlefx to the cvar list if you want to see a real shit storm lol.

Anyway no matter what you do to customXhair.spr it would not give you an advantage over another player. That is mostly for minor changes in shape and color from what Valve offers by default. A darker scoreboard would actually hurt you, because you can't see through it when it is up. Sensitivity, Gamma, Brightness, and Key bindings are editable in the MENU SYSTEM. The game was made intending you to be able to edit these things.

While HLTV Models offer a minor advantage (and they do offer an advantage, because you don't have animation to interfere with your vision) the main reason they would have to be excluded by the server add-on is it compares the files in the list to make sure they are the defaults. If we remove that check then people could put whatever models they wish in there not just HLTV models. I could make my K43 look like a garand. I could make my models semi-transparent.

If HLTV models didn't give you any advantage at all you probably would have no desire to use them.

toxinatoR wrote:

defiance wrote:I've already found jonski using custom grenade models(probably glowing orange balls or something). If HLTV models didn't provide an advantage, even slight, people wouldn't use them. Ask milo for help in taking them out, he knows the drill!

I just joined your server with HLTV models and got kicked for having v_stick.mdl .. An HLTV model.. not a glowing grenade so it could have been that too.

it was v_grenade.mdl or whatever, for for him.

defiance wrote:I've already found jonski using custom grenade models(probably glowing orange balls or something). If HLTV models didn't provide an advantage, even slight, people wouldn't use them. Ask milo for help in taking them out, he knows the drill!

I just joined your server with HLTV models and got kicked for having v_stick.mdl .. An HLTV model.. not a glowing grenade so it could have been that too.

I don't think that it was always "HLTV MODELS" are illegal. More-so that any custom model was illegal. Like you said it doesn't differentiate.. ANY CUSTOM MODEL = ILLEGAL. Do I feel HLTV models should be illegal? No. I don't see how they give a player an advantage. But if this is a way to prevent models that can actually give a player an advantage then, I understand.

Ban the hackers!!!! GLHF! POL

Is it really that big of a deal? i don't use hltv models so im not in this boat, but why cant you just use regular models? whats wrong with em.

Also this mod going to catch the people using the custom sound files, you know who you are!

Working on it, have no fear.

defiance wrote:You want me to speculate on the decision making process in the minds of how many different admins we have had from 2000-2011? Sorry, not doing that. These were the rules I was handed down, and the rules I will do my best to enforce. I'm not going to change a rule to allow custom models this late in the games life. The server mod simply decides if you are using default models or not. It cannot choose between, default, hltv, and then everything else. This is the best way that I have found to enforce the rule.

Very well. fuck your mod, we'll find a way around it.

You want me to speculate on the decision making process in the minds of how many different admins we have had from 2000-2011? Sorry, not doing that. These were the rules I was handed down, and the rules I will do my best to enforce. I'm not going to change a rule to allow custom models this late in the games life. The server mod simply decides if you are using default models or not. It cannot choose between, default, hltv, and then everything else. This is the best way that I have found to enforce the rule.

Rambizzle wrote:

elaborate on the actual difference? I mean, other than the fact that they've always been illegal. I'm just curious why custom xhairs are allowed, yet HLTV models aren't?

They change your gameplay experience bro. You can't watch a demo of someone using hltv models and see the same screen that they do.

elaborate on the actual difference? I mean, other than the fact that they've always been illegal. I'm just curious why custom xhairs are allowed, yet HLTV models aren't?

Rambizzle wrote:So while we're at it; ban custom crosshairs too, or designate one for everyone to use. Also, lets not forget about the custom score board, sensitivity, gamma, brightness, custom key bindings, etc... These are all things we "tweak" to our liking that give you no real advantage over the next guy.

Banning HLTV models is plain fucking stupid. With that said, I'm not removing shit you can all kiss my, hairy, paste, ass.

HLTV models have ALWAYS been illegal. I'm not sure why you think this is something new. I have found a way to enforce the rule, and am doing so. I cannot pick and choose which custom model to allow. It is default or nothing. Custom xhairs, scoreboards, sensitivity, brightness, key bindings have all been legal. There is a difference.

If you join a pub with crazy mods and what-not.. can it change your models. Or does it leave the default alone and just add custom models to a folder somewhere?

I don't believe pubs will change your player models. They can change your mapmodels. Its not like someone will get in trouble if they try to join a server and it won't let them in. The addon tells you where the file is, dod/models/whatever.mdl and you go into your folder and delete it, pretty easy fix.

If you want to, keep joining connect hd.game.nfoservers.com:27015; password scrim and delete what it tells you to, until you finally get in.

So while we're at it; ban custom crosshairs too, or designate one for everyone to use. Also, lets not forget about the custom score board, sensitivity, gamma, brightness, custom key bindings, etc... These are all things we "tweak" to our liking that give you no real advantage over the next guy.

Banning HLTV models is plain fucking stupid. With that said, I'm not removing shit you can all kiss my, hairy, paste, ass.