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by **k4b00m** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:58 pm

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by **kirk** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:49 pm

Very few supplements are worth the money especially in terms of muscle gain/fat loss. It's an equation involving thermodynamics and proper nutrient intake, simple. Creatine is the only one that might be justified but even then it's iffy and highly variable (depends on diet and experience). It should be the least of your concern.

Sears stop pawning my vitamin E knowledge and passing it off as your own.

stile wrote:Now Kirk comes into the thread and says you're wasting money.

True.

Jstampz wrote:You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

False.

Jstampz wrote:Stile, I recently read it in Men's health magazine.

It said your body can only take up to 30 grams every 4-5 hours. So as I was saying is he had some giant ass 60+ gram powder then he'd be wasting some of that protein. I'm a firm believer in the concept of 30 grams every 4-5 hours.

I do like the 24 gram protein you are using 3 times day. If you miss a meal or maybe a shake I would look into a slow digesting protein like Casein protein. You take a shake before bed so you are getting protein to your muscles all through the night. Optimum nutrition makes a really good pure Casein protein.

Keep on lifting brah

And ace, sorry, the old thread was 56 pages long.

False.

Jstampz wrote:When more than 30-35 grams of whey is used at one time, it is absorbed too quickly, and what the body cannot assimilate for tissue repair is oxidized for energy. If you don't work it off, it ends up around the old waistline. The latest research has found that more whey protein is oxidized for energy than was first thought. Most people should limit their intake of whey at a single sitting to approx 30 grams. Again these numbers are quite arbitrary, and everyone will respond differently. Mixing whey with milk, adding peanut butter or flax will probably help some, though it won't help as much as some people might think.

False.

rymoz wrote:Eat clen. Tren hard. Test your limits.

True.

by **knockout** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:48 pm

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by **sik** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:40 pm

WHERE THE FUCK IS ALEX KIRK WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

by **stile** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:33 pm

Jstampz wrote:
stile wrote:powder. i'm not taking it right now though.

I stopped taking creatine on a regular basis and I'm only taking protein.

I start wrestling conditioning tonight, and when I take creatine I get dehydrated to easily.

Everyone reacts differently to creatine, but I never had an issue with dehyrdration and I was training 5-6 times a week. If you don't already, buy gallon jugs of water in bulk and drink one a day.

Besides that, if you're in season for wrestling you shouldn't be on creatine because it retains water in the body which makes cutting weight that much harder.

by **dogfire** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:22 pm

It's really not that complicated bros.....

by **Jstampz** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:34 am

stile wrote:powder. i'm not taking it right now though.

I stopped taking creatine on a regular basis and I'm only taking protein.

I start wrestling conditioning tonight, and when I take creatine I get dehydrated to easily.

by **Jstampz** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:31 am

Shawn wrote:Seriously it surprises me how dumb this 12 year old is, no amount of supplements can account for how little you actually know about health and fitness.

This thread isn't about nutrition. It's about supplements. In certain points you need boosts from supplements. Protein is ideal for muscle growth.

I'm pretty sure you sit me down with a pad and paper and I can show you I know far more than you do in the category of fitness and health.

by **sloth** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:01 am

focus on your education stamp

by **Shawn** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:38 am

Seriously it surprises me how dumb this 12 year old is, no amount of supplements can account for how little you actually know about health and fitness.

by **Jstampz** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:27 pm

The "bodybuilding.com" app for smart phones is on point.

Filled with exercises, tips and supplements. Amazing app

by **stile** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:47 pm

powder. i'm not taking it right now though.

by **Jstampz** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:46 pm

I meant creatine, pills or powder?

by **stile** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:46 am

Jstampz wrote:
scorch- wrote:Shut up and read what sears wrote and then shut up some more.

Lewl.

Stile do you take pills or powder?

are there protein pills? I take protein powder once in awhile. The only things I take consistently are fish oil, greens, and bcaas

by **knockout** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:17 pm

I think the point of this thread here is that we all look like a goddamn redneck Adonis.

by **sevEN** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:42 pm

Jstampz wrote:
sevEN wrote:so stamp, what if i consumed 100% of my daily macros in 1 meal. what if i ate 200 grams of protein, 300 grams carbs, and 60-70 grams of fat in 1 meal. and what if i did this at 11pm, after lifting from 9-10:30 every night, right before going to bed. what do you think happens to all of dat dere protein?

A certain amount is absorbed and then the remaining is turned into energy

face palm

by **Jstampz** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:29 am

scorch- wrote:Shut up and read what sears wrote and then shut up some more.

Lewl.

Stile do you take pills or powder?

by **stile** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:01 am

You should have drank more water

by **stin** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:07 am

Ate creatin and protein, now have kidney failure.
True story.

Dialysis aint funny.

by **scorch-** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:15 am

Shut up and read what sears wrote and then shut up some more.

by **Jstampz** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:50 am

sevEN wrote:so stamp, what if i consumed 100% of my daily macros in 1 meal. what if i ate 200 grams of protein, 300 grams carbs, and 60-70 grams of fat in 1 meal. and what if i did this at 11pm, after lifting from 9-10:30 every night, right before going to bed. what do you think happens to all of dat dere protein?

A certain amount is absorbed and then the remaining is turned into energy

by **Sears** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:31 pm

Jstampz wrote:Yeah maybe you may not like what I think and what I believe but I truly do believe and average males body can only take in 30-40 grams in a certain time frame. If you think about it, this makes sense, your body needs the time to digest and send protein to the muscles. I think 60 grams is a waste unless you are gonna spread it out in X amount of hours

This just ins't true, and its a common myth in the bodybuilding/supplement industry. What's funny about it is that most people who fall for this are under the impression that it's a "30 gram" cap, in that your body "can only digest 30 grams of protein within a certain time period", when in fact the original myth was that your body only digests "30 percent of the protein you eat per meal."

Seriously though, neither of this things is true. Every body is different and every body consumes, digests, and makes use of macro nutrients differently, but the idea that you "can only absorb 30 grams of protein at a time" is a just a simple marketing gimmick designed to encourage customers to consume more product, and thus, end up buying more frequently.

I know it seems counter-intuitive, but it's worth assuming that the vast majority of the information that the bro's at GNC and VitaminShoppe like to drop while you're browsing through their store is most likely utter bullshit and is only intended to entice you into purchasing products.

As far as supplements go, a high quality multi-vitamin is ok, but ins't totally without risks, and recent research as shown that high levels of things like Vitamin E can increase your risk of developing prostate cancer. A high quality protein supplement for post-workout is really all that you should ever need, especially at your age.

I use Animal Pak, Animal Flex, and Optimum Pro Complex (but only because I get a discount).

Stop training like a pussy and eat some goddamn hamburger helper, wuss.

by **sevEN** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:23 pm

so stamp, what if i consumed 100% of my daily macros in 1 meal. what if i ate 200 grams of protein, 300 grams carbs, and 60-70 grams of fat in 1 meal. and what if i did this at 11pm, after lifting from 9-10:30 every night, right before going to bed. what do you think happens to all of dat dere protein?

by **james-** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:39 pm

Jstampz wrote:Stile, I recently read it in Men's health magazine.

It said your body can only take up to 30 grams every 4-5 hours. So as I was saying is he had some giant ass 60+ gram powder then he'd be wasting some of that protein. I'm a firm believer in the concept of 30 grams every 4-5 hours.

I do like the 24 gram protein you are using 3 times day. If you miss a meal or maybe a shake I would look into a slow digesting protein like Casein protein. You take a shake before bed so you are getting protein to your muscles all through the night. Optimum nutrition makes a really good pure Casein protein.

Keep on lifting brah

And ace, sorry, the old thread was 56 pages long.

stopped reading there

you must be from misc

by **ward** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:11 pm

Jstampz wrote:
ward wrote:The point is that you read an article in a magazine and then assumed you were qualified to give advice to other people based on such. It has already been stated that that is why there is so much misinformation being spread around.

You're a fucking RETARD, I'm doing exactly what everyone else is, trying to give information. Yeah maybe you may not like what I think and what I believe but I truly do believe and average males body can only take in 30-40 grams in a certain time frame. If you think about it, this makes sense, your body needs the time to digest and send protein to the muscles. I think 60 grams is a waste unless you are gonna spread it out in X amount of hours.

Don't hate on me you dildo, I'm giving things I do know just like anyone else.

Go refill your vagisil

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:05 pm

ward wrote:The point is that you read an article in a magazine and then assumed you were qualified to give advice to other people based on such. It has already been stated that that is why there is so much misinformation being spread around.

You're a fucking RETARD, I'm doing exactly what everyone else is, trying to give information. Yeah maybe you may not like what I think and what I believe but I truly do believe and average males body can only take in 30-40 grams in a certain time frame. If you think about it, this makes sense, your body needs the time to digest and send protein to the muscles. I think 60 grams is a waste unless you are gonna spread it out in X amount of hours.

Don't hate on me you dildo, I'm giving things I do know just like anyone else.

Go refill your vagisil

by **mogers** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:16 pm

In before Ricky and/or Scorch/Sears posts pictures of Rickys lumpy back.

by **scndrlsk** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:53 pm

drink apple juice nerd you will grow big and strong

edit: but seriously; I don't know a whole lot about bodybuilding and I'm probably the last person to talk to about it, but my father use to do German Volume Training and told me quite a bit about it. I don't think it's a good idea for someone your age (15/16?) to be overwhelming yourself with a lot of body building, your body is probably not fully developed. And I doubt there is a "best supplement"; there is no supplement shortcut that will get you huge. I'd just wait a couple of years and then try to get into it and you should be gaining muscle more when you grow older.

by **stile** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:28 pm

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by **ward** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:17 pm

The point is that you read an article in a magazine and then assumed you were qualified to give advice to other people based on such. It has already been stated that that is why there is so much misinformation being spread around.

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:06 pm

ward wrote:
Jstampz wrote:Stile, I recently read it in Men's health magazine.
And ace, sorry, the old thread was 56 pages long.

Negged for wasting everyone's time because you're too lazy to read an already established thread. Oh, and I read in a magazine that aliens have already secretly taken over the world. It must be true, because it was in a magazine.....right?

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong boys, I'm just simply quoting an article.

by **nhoj** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:34 pm

by **ward** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Jstampz wrote:Stile, I recently read it in Men's health magazine.
And ace, sorry, the old thread was 56 pages long.

Negged for wasting everyone's time because you're too lazy to read an already established thread. Oh, and I read in a magazine that aliens have already secretly taken over the world. It must be true, because it was in a magazine.....right?

by **sevEN** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:36 pm

Jstampz wrote:You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

please god do not keep going around telling this to your friends and on the internet. it is simply not true. it is the wide spread of misinformation like this among the sports/fitness/supplement/nutrition industry that causes nobody to know wtf to believe.

oh and gj stile for knowing much more than i would expect a dpk idiot to know

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:37 am

stile wrote:
Polak wrote:
Jstampz wrote:You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

my protein powder only has 24 grams per scoop
Do you have a source for that? I'm pretty sure this has been proven to not be true.

You can google "protein absorption myth" and see a lot of people saying the opposite of what you did.

When more than 30-35 grams of whey is used at one time, it is absorbed too quickly, and what the body cannot assimilate for tissue repair is oxidized for energy. If you don't work it off, it ends up around the old waistline. The latest research has found that more whey protein is oxidized for energy than was first thought. Most people should limit their intake of whey at a single sitting to approx 30 grams. Again these numbers are quite arbitrary, and everyone will respond differently. Mixing whey with milk, adding peanut butter or flax will probably help some, though it won't help as much as some people might think.

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:33 am

stile wrote:Also you don't need to load creatine. Just do the prescribed dosage and drink at least a gallon of water a day.

The six star creatine called for you to use it 6 times a day. Twice did good for me, I didn't wanna kill my liver

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:31 am

Stile, I recently read it in Men's health magazine.

It said your body can only take up to 30 grams every 4-5 hours. So as I was saying is he had some giant ass 60+ gram powder then he'd be wasting some of that protein. I'm a firm believer in the concept of 30 grams every 4-5 hours.

I do like the 24 gram protein you are using 3 times day. If you miss a meal or maybe a shake I would look into a slow digesting protein like Casein protein. You take a shake before bed so you are getting protein to your muscles all through the night. Optimum nutrition makes a really good pure Casein protein.

Keep on lifting brah

And ace, sorry, the old thread was 56 pages long.

by **scorch-** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:58 am

Sleep is the #1 supplement.

by **acetamino** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:33 am

Lets talk about using the forum search so this thread won't be recreated every 6 months

by **Polak** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:28 am

Hudson` wrote:Don't you nerds know bulky muscles will slow down your Day of Destruction sprint peeks?

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I used to love that show, John I have no idea how I loved that show after watching that clip. I mean they were like throwing sperm balls at eachother. If you close your eyes as you listen to it, it just sounds so gay. I mean I was 13 or whatever when I was into it when cartoon network hat that toonami thing going out. But shit that was awesome and cringe worthy

by **Hudson`** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:23 am

Don't you nerds know bulky muscles will slow down your Day of Destruction sprint peeks?

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by **warchyldd** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:54 am

sevEN wrote:also, you are 15 and should not be taking anything except fish oil and your flinstone chewable gummi multis that your mom feeds you with breakfast

by **SpoonIsBad** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:56 am

For me it's usually 3 or 4 lines of blow, then that hookers asshole looks like beef stroganoff when I'm done.

by **Polak** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:43 am

im not loading it. I was told 3 tea spoons for week 1
2 tea spoons for week 2-4
1 tea spoon for a little longer and then stop

by **stile** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:14 am

Also you don't need to load creatine. Just do the prescribed dosage and drink at least a gallon of water a day.

by **stile** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:13 am

Polak wrote:
Jstampz wrote:You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

my protein powder only has 24 grams per scoop

Do you have a source for that? I'm pretty sure this has been proven to not be true.

You can google "protein absorption myth" and see a lot of people saying the opposite of what you did.

by **Polak** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:33 am

oh and I'm 210 pounds so from what I read i need like 100 grams of it a day

by **Polak** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:27 am

Jstampz wrote:You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

my protein powder only has 24 grams per scoop

by **Jstampz** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:04 am

You're wasteing protein. Your body can only take in roughly 30 grams of protein in a given time frame. From your diet it seems you get a good amount just from food alone. If I were you I'd stay on the same regimen just find a better tasting, lower protein filled powder. 3 times a day is a little much if you're using a protein like I use to use with 50+ grams in it.

If your protein powder only has 30-40 grams than bravo my friend. Your water intake is steady and creatine always helps.

by **Polak** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:46 pm

I'm not trying to get huge but I have started taking supplements and I hope I'm not being retarded because this is the first time I have ever done it.

I got a huge thing of whey powder with only protein really, no sugar, low carbs, no sodium, etc. Oh and it tastes like ass but there is no artificial sweetener or anything of that nature just whey.

My friend recommended using corteine or whatever it's called only for a month because I'm raising my intake of protein outside of what I'm used to.

I'm right now on the end of week 4.

week 1 I took 3 5 gram tea spoons of creatine and 3 scoops of protein a day (so three shakes, one breakfast one two hours before work out and one after work out)
Breakfast is wheat cereal with bananas and 3 egg whites with veggies + shake
Lunch is pasta bread etc
two or a hour before work out shake
Post work out chicken/beef/fish + salad and shake

week 2-4 10 grams of creatine and still 3 shakes. I started eating more bananas and fruit and pasta for lunch 3 hours before work out.

I do rugby practice for a hour a half two times a week (shit kicks my ass)
and I'm in the gym 4 days out of the week and I run atleast 20 km a week (5km under 25 mins) and then I do high reps of normal weights when I lift

I drink at least 4 liters of water throughout the day usually around 5.

oh I fucking was pissing out my ass for the first two weeks. I read that it was my body getting used to the higher amount of protein.

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